luckybuck Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Hello together! After 30 years it seems, that the Action! Run Time Disk & the Action! Run Time Manual are lost. Does anyone have the disk as an atr-image and the manual as a pdf-file? The Atari community would really appreciate that! It is a little step for you, but a giant leap for the community. Everlasting fame is optional available. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Jim Patchell has a scanned copy of the manual as well as a text version here. There are a couple ATR and a cart dump listed on nitroroms here, here, and here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Dear Xuel! Thank you for your quick answer. I really appreciate that. :-) But all of the above we do already have. Just the Run Time stuff is missing, as you can see here: http://www.retrobits.net/atari/action.shtml Wrote already to the guy, but up to now, no answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xuel Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Ah, I see. The manual documents the runtime functions. Also joyfulcoder documents them here. AtariWiki has the source for the runtime here. Is that what's contained on Action! Run Time Disk the Action! Run Time Manual? Either way, I can also understand wanting to preserve the originals for posterity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks again. I have already contacted joyfulcoder, he hasn't it either. I am an author in Atari Wiki. Even the chief do not have the stuff. That is why I am asking, because it should be there... Thank you again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) I cannot locate my Action! runtime disk. Here's the only unaltered (at least I believe it's unaltered) ATR I could find in my backups. It was dated Jan 2005. I cannot be certain if I made the ATR or I acquired the ATR. That date is early enough that I might have used two PC DOS apps, Anadisk and De-Ana, to make an .XFD file. I would have then used Atari800Win Plus to convert the .XFD to an ATR. I used this process for converting many of my single density disks to ATRs. If this was the case for this particular ATR then it might have bit errors as the process has no error detection whatsoever. The file SYS.DOC on the ATR is the only documentation I have for the runtime. As I believe this ATR is original then none of the patches mentioned in Action! Bugsheet errata #3 would have been applied to the files. If I find my actual disk I'll make a new image so that we can be certain it's original and complete. [EDIT] I noticed AtariWiki also does not have PAD, Programmers Aid Disk so I'm enclosing an ATR of that as well. runtime_action.atr pad.atr Edited January 29, 2014 by a8isa1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 Dear a8isa1! In the name of the Atari community thank you so much for a first approach and help in the this final case of Action! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Dear a8isa1! Have checked all the above. Can't say enough thank you to you! The runtime_action.atr is fine and indeed really(!) looks like it is the original one. So, up to now just the manual is missing. Up to this solving, I have attached a text file from the SYS.DOC of the disk: ACTION! runtime library package.txt The Programmers Aid Disk I didn't know of! Again thank you! On this disk just one file: KALSCOPE.ACT is corrupted: Could open from the damaged image the file and read as much as I could: 21 sectors, but the original one has 53 sectors: Have attached what I could save: PAD_KALSCOPE.atr So, if anyone of the readers has the KALSCOPE.ACT file, please complete it here. :-) The source code is here: KALSCOPE.ACT.txt It seems to be a Kaleidoscope program: KALSCOPE.DEM - a colorful demo of ACTION!'s speed. This is an incredible thing after so many decades! All the best and thank you so much! We will keep an eye on this side, if someday someone may post the manual here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I have the Manual...So it is not totally lost. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I have the Manual...So it is not totally lost. I believe we are seeking a manual for the Action! Runtime and not the language reference manual, which is already available via the Internet Archive (see below). I'm pretty sure I've seen an indexed and cross referenced version even though I can't find it at the moment. Link https://archive.org/details/ataribooks-actionreferencemanual Edited January 30, 2014 by a8isa1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Ahh, OK I use to have the disk, but it has been so long ago. I don't even remember the manual that came with it. Most of that stuff was stored away at lease a decade by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yes a8isa1, you are right, we already have the: ACTION Reference Manual.pdf and (!) the: The Action! Toolkit.pdf as well, but we do not have the: The Action! Runtime.pdf Please see the cover in post #1, it must match with the content. Thank all in advance, Mulder would say: the manual must be out there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yes rdea6, a long time ago, in a forum, far far away... But if you have the original disk, please be so kind, if possible and share it with the rest of the world in form of an atr-image. Many thanks in advance from all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 OSS ACTION! Programmers' Aid Disk 1.00 from above: OSS ACTION! Programmers' Aid Disk ATARI version 1.00 Welcome to the programmers' aid disk. This disk contains routines written in ACTION! which extend your ACTION! programming capabilities. Following is a list of the files on the disk, together with a short description of what is on each file. NOTE: if you look at the directory, you will notice that each ".ACT" file is accompanied by a ".DOC" file of the same name. The .DOC files are documentation for the actual ACTION! routines, and are written in a form similar to that in the library section of the ACTION! reference manual where at all possible. READ ME - this file ALLOC ACT - some memory allocation ALLOC DOC routines. CIRCLE ACT - a circle drawing procedure CIRCLE DOC IO ACT - a group of extended disk IO DOC file I/O routines. MISC ACT - miscellaneous testing MISC DOC and other routines. PMG ACT - player/missile graphics PMG DOC routines PRINTF ACT - an extended version of PRINTF DOC the library PrintF. REAL ACT - routines which allow you REAL DOC to use floating point numbers in ACTION! TURTLE ACT - implementation of turtle TURTLE DOC graphics, ala LOGO. GEM ACT - a four person game GEM DOC written in ACTION!. SNAILS ACT - a two person game SNAILS DOC written in ACTION!. KALSCOPEACT - a demo of ACTION!'s speed. No documentation on this one, so you're on your own (Hint: press the space bar while the program is running). There are also some files with the ex- tension .DMn, where 'n' is either 1 or 2. These are demos of the routines in a specific file, and either be read into the ACTION! Editor and then com- piled and run from the Monitor, or they can be run directly from the Mo- nitor. NOTE: in most of the ACTION! source files there are global variables and procedures which contain the underline character (_). These routines and variables are internal to the routines which are intended for your use, and should not be either called or acces- sed by you. OSS ACTION! Programmers' Aid Disk 1.00-Read Me.txt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bob1200xl Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I ran across an original disk - do you still need an .atr? Don't see the manual anywhere handy. Bob Yes rdea6, a long time ago, in a forum, far far away... But if you have the original disk, please be so kind, if possible and share it with the rest of the world in form of an atr-image. Many thanks in advance from all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bob1200xl Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Well, I take that back - the manual is in the back of the ACTION binder. So, how do I do the manual? It's 23 pages. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Dear bob1200xl! Wow! That would be great! Especially, because a8isa1 told just of copy of the original one. Yes, if you can make an atr of it, a 1000 thanks from the Atari community is for sure! Well, the best for the manual is a copy shop, which directly converts it into a pdf file with ocr, so a copy and paste of the printed programs into the Atari is possible. If you have PayPal we transfer all your costs plus a bonus. Everlasting fame to you! The very best regards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Else you can send me the manual, I do the job here and send it back to you? Just what is more convenient for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bob1200xl Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 What would I ask for at the copy shop? Like this, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Yeah Bob! That's it!!! Perfect, all pages can be read in automatically! So 23 pages would be a matter of minutes! :-) If read in, then the guy in the copy shop should ocr the file, else please send it to me or here, it will look afterwards like this here: http://atariwiki.de/wiki/attach/Atari%20Calculator/Atari_Calculator_Manual_Optimized.pdf I have created with the author. Tera-thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 You can send me the manual as well for scanning if you wish. I've done the Action manual itself and lots of others which you can see here http://www.scribd.com/remow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Hi remowilliams! Incredible work! That took time. Another source is here: http://www.atarimania.com/list_documents_atari-400-800-xl-xe-_8.html and here: https://archive.org/ If Bob and you live in the US, than this way would be easier, of course. Up to Bob to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ripdubski Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Ah, I see. The manual documents the runtime functions. Also joyfulcoder documents them here. AtariWiki has the source for the runtime here. Is that what's contained on Action! Run Time Disk the Action! Run Time Manual? Either way, I can also understand wanting to preserve the originals for posterity. Now thats a useful link! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Dear Ripdubski! Thanks for your reply. Your 1st link: I have contacted him about: no result! Your 2nd link: I am the author for Atari Wiki for that. But we would like ti have a copy of the original one for all mankind. Same is here: http://atariwiki.de/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=AtariCX85 It was 2013, when finally the original source code could be published. Only possible with such good people like here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 If someone has the file: KALSCOPE.ACT from the: OSS ACTION! Programmers' Aid Disk 1.00 above, too, that would be nice, because it is damaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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