82-T/A Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I just got to thinking... it's only a fighting game. I believe there might have been a couple of cut-scenes, but the game is a pretty decent game. Was there really any reason for them to put it on a CD other than to include those few cut-scenes? I would so much rather have a cartridge version of it, and then just have a couple of still-screens with music instead of the video (since it probably won't fit). Just curious... makes me wonder what other games probably could have just been on a cartridge as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Well, there were cartridge versions of Primal Rage for the 16-bit consoles and 8-bit handhelds, so there's no reason it couldn't have been a cartridge on the Jag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Just curious... makes me wonder what other games probably could have just been on a cartridge as well. Fact that Iron Soldier II is available on cartridge, is pretty telling really. If the JagCD added more RAM to the system and CD games really took advantage of that, could have turned the Jaguar into a slightly different machine. As it is, CD games are hampered by limitations, just like the Amiga CD32 and TG-16. Great, so you have cut scenes and CD quality (sometimes) background music while playing. At least with the TG-16/Turbo Duo, they released cards that boosted the memory available to their CD add-ons. IIRC, no added RAM, but the Genny CD got a faster processor inside their CD units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted February 6, 2014 Author Share Posted February 6, 2014 Fact that Iron Soldier II is available on cartridge, is pretty telling really. If the JagCD added more RAM to the system and CD games really took advantage of that, could have turned the Jaguar into a slightly different machine. As it is, CD games are hampered by limitations, just like the Amiga CD32 and TG-16. Great, so you have cut scenes and CD quality (sometimes) background music while playing. At least with the TG-16/Turbo Duo, they released cards that boosted the memory available to their CD add-ons. IIRC, no added RAM, but the Genny CD got a faster processor inside their CD units. That's a good point... the cartridge that saves the games (forgot what it was called) could have come with some extra ram... that definitely could have helped. What is a Genny? I have a Jaguar CD player... bought it new from Go Atari back in the day. I just don't like playing it because I don't want to mess it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Sure, I mean, Pit Fighter was on a cart as well. It didn't look pretty. You always trade resolution, color definition and frames of animation when going from arcade to console. Going cartridge would only exacerbate the issues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Primal Rage arcade rom data ~35MB, so there's that... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinSEGA Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Primal Rage arcade rom data ~35MB, so there's that... Is the Jaguar version the Arcade version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Primal Rage CD was already kind of cut back as it was. I'd honestly hate to see what it would function like on cart.. Space limitations would probably be the biggest issue though. Unless you want a version more akin to the 32X cart, and even that one to a degree looks like the Genesis game packed into a 32X shell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 The cart version would function exactly like the arcade for me. I'd look up at the screen, down at the price and exit stage left. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rexreed Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 A Genny is a Sega Genesis. The cartridge that saved cd games was the memory track. Keep in mind that cartridges took longer to make and cost more too. That may have been a reason they decided to release pr on disc. Also, of the cd games that were also released on cartidge I seem to remember certain things being cut from the cartridge version. Mostly video scenes. That's a good point... the cartridge that saves the games (forgot what it was called) could have come with some extra ram... that definitely could have helped. What is a Genny? I have a Jaguar CD player... bought it new from Go Atari back in the day. I just don't like playing it because I don't want to mess it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
108 Stars Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 I guess they could do a decent enough cart version if they wanted. CDs offer more space for animation, but then again... I recall the Sega-CD, which unlike the Jaguar CD really had additional hardware power still having trouble due to slow access times. I don't know which weighs heavier, the slow speed of old disc drives or the limited memory on cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 More space, less RAM (Because no ROM) Swings and roundabouts. Be glad you got what you got, I guess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
108 Stars Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Be glad you got what you got, I guess. We're talking Primal Rage here, not Street Fighter II. Why would we be glad? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racerx Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 We're talking Primal Rage here, not Street Fighter II. Why would we be glad? Whaaa?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinSEGA Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Even the 3DO got Street Fighter II. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Even the 3DO got Street Fighter II. Okay.. I'll bite. 3DO was: A. CD based (not ROM) B. Needed less frames of animation to look good because it was animated - not stop motion. C. 3DO was hyped at the start whereas the Jag was a gamble most developers and retailers were wary of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Okay.. I'll bite. 3DO was: A. CD based (not ROM) B. Needed less frames of animation to look good because it was animated - not stop motion. C. 3DO was hyped at the start whereas the Jag was a gamble most developers and retailers were wary of. D. The 3DO sold at least 8x the number of units as the Jaguar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Dart Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Does Primal Rage really need to be on a CD? Doesn't really need to be on a cart either, does it? Okay.. I'll bite. 3DO was: A. CD based (not ROM) B. Needed less frames of animation to look good because it was animated - not stop motion. C. 3DO was hyped at the start whereas the Jag was a gamble most developers and retailers were wary of. A) SSF2 Turbo is around 2MB in ROM. B) Sounds like it should've been no sweat, then. C) Hype? Atari used to be synonymous with arcades. Panasonic made desk phones. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Sorry for being extra confusing today I guess I'll clairfy: The 3DO got a home version of SSF2 because Tripp made sure everyone thought the 3DO was new and hot. Atari failed to generate the hype needed for major third party developers. We are still talking about reasons Primal Rage was on a CD and not cart based. Stop motion doesn't look as good as cartoon on low frame rates (needed on cartridges.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+save2600 Posted February 10, 2014 Share Posted February 10, 2014 Did any of the Clayfighter games see a CD release? I seem to remember the SNES pulling off some good stop motion animation that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 I have a Jaguar CD player... bought it new from Go Atari back in the day. I just don't like playing it because I don't want to mess it up. Why? I play mine constantly. I even play audio CD's on it at parties just for the trippy VLM. I think as long as you are not abusing it, it will be fine. Worst case you can have the CD drive repaired at a local Electronics Hospital... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Okay.. I'll bite. 3DO was: A. CD based (not ROM) B. Needed less frames of animation to look good because it was animated - not stop motion. C. 3DO was hyped at the start whereas the Jag was a gamble most developers and retailers were wary of. ..or we could just go with "D" for the Street Fighter analogy: The 3DO had a slightly greater significant presence in Japan, quite a few whom of which developed for the platform (Capcom and Konami being a couple of the major ones). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) I own the Jag CD, Sega 32x, snes and Playstation ports of Primal Rage. Sure...you can enjoy primal rage on a cart. But it's almost like editing a 2 hour movie into an hour and 15 minutes. The cart versions resolution is just awful. Claymation sprites look way better on CD. Both 32x and snes versions are borderline unplayable. Their combo system was cut, no juggling as far as I can tell and the game as a total just does not have a arcade feel to it. They even removed certain special moves and fatalities! playstation port is the closest to arcade but also has its issues. EXTREMELY long loading time. As well as awkward positioning of loading time. You can never see your characters full victory taunt when you win a match because it freezes to load. Not surprisingly I prefer the Atari jaguar Cd version. It is really close to being arcade perfect. It has the cheering sound effect cut from many others, it doesn't have those stupid computer rendered sluggish cut scenes that were added in the playstation and 3do ports at the last minute and it looks and sounds like the arcade. Most importantly it PLAYS like the arcade. However I would never suggest playing it without the pro Controller. The only issue with the Jaguar version is probe forgot to zoom in the picture just a bit more. Because of this the characters are a bit smaller than usual but they are definitely bigger than cartridge ports, and the background ends before the screen does! You can see a black edge. It is an embarrassingly glaring and noticible flaw, However due to this being one of the best ports for this game I learned to overlook it. But if only they zoomed in just a little I could boast that the atari jaguar has the best port of Primal rage. ....it's a shame Edited April 12, 2016 by Scorponok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorponok Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Also yes clay fighter does indeed look decent on the Snes (NOT the Genesis though ) But the reason for that is because it isn't a port at all. Clay fighter was designed to play on the Super Nintendo. Primal rage was ported from the Arcade and looked awful on snes. So sluggish....minus well have the game boy version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 It probably would have been fine on a cart on the Jag but they would have had to cut out the sweet CGI startup video. Other than that I think it looks just a tiny bit worse on the jag than on the 3DO but I prefer it on the Jag with two pro-controllers and my special combo's printout close at hand..great game. Still need to pick up the definitive home version (Saturn) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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