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The Official NEO-GEO Thread!

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Hi guys,

 

Back with Neo Geo Snow Rider doing more classic Neo-Geo commercials. This time were going to view Art of Fighting 1 & 2 in Japanese.

 

 

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Hi guys,

 

Back again with Brandon Inn the Retrogamer doing another great demo video for us. Here, were going to see him with Sengoku 2.

 

From the description,

"Just a demo gameplay of this

popular 1993 side-scrolling, hack n' slash action/adventure beat 'em, but
also a sequel to the 1991 game
"Sengoku" that later had a 3rd one
in 2001 but with newer characters,
anime-style reactions added to it and
a whole new storyline too...
(Also my all-time favorite also, well
2nd and 3rd ones only).


"The plot to the game is about an evil warlord is intent on conquering the world, this time by the use of time travel to conquer every known important event in history. The two protagonists from the previous game are sent by a priestess from the past to battle the warlord's forces to restore the world's ages and ensure the warlord's conquest never succeeds
as they travel through four areas with
multiple levels to end this madness..."

About The Gameplay:
The gameplay is similar to the prequel, except that the playable character is constantly armed with a sword for which can initiate wide plane attacks and vertical slashes. Pressing both attack buttons together allows the character to block or dodge attacks. Another button combo gets the character to perform a special trick attack. The character can also jump and do jump attacks. Occasionally the character will be mounted on horseback and have to carefully hack and slash enemies
during a canter. The player can transform the character into three different forms including, the armour clad wolf, the shuriken throwing ninja and the staff-wielding Tengu warrior for a limited time. Various collectable orbs heal the character's health or enhance the character's attack abilities and that of the different forms' capabilities...

Fun Fact: When they made the 3rd
one in 2001, the original characters
from the 1st & 2nd ones had to be
replaced by the newer characters
including the added ones that you
meet later from the game stages as
bosses but then become on your side
as allies in order to change the game's
storyline and also allows you to both attack with either hand-to-hand combats or use main weapons as a second but primary attacks too..."

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl_qqPQJiXk

 

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Hi guys,

 

Here is today's KOF XIV screenshot!!! #KOF14 #KOFXIV

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THE KING OF FIGHTERS XIV: KOF XIVのスクリーンショットを紹介！#KOF14 #KOFXIV

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Hi guys,

 

「ART OF FIGHTING 龍虎の拳 外伝」のキーホルダー。 SNKから発売されたゲームセンター用のプライズ。 コレで全種かは不明です。 ちなみに同タイプのサム斬とKOF95のキーホルダーもありました。 #私物ゲームグッズ晒す #龍虎の拳

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Thanks for sharing a bit of your intro to the Neo Geo a few posts back, fdurso. The moments I'm recalling seem to be around the late 90's, one was at a military base, they had an MVS cab with Metal Slug 3 on it. I thought that game looked amazing, obviously hehe.. And the other was at a local Pizza Hut, they had another MVS cab with Bust-a-Move and King of the Monsters on it. I really would like to get a dog-tag King of the Monsters for my Neo Geo.

 

Other than that, it woulda had to of been just in magazines as I don't recall ever seeing anyone with an AES back in the day. It actually wasn't until a bit ago I was really aware of Neo Geo as "AES" and "MVS" .. I just knew "Neo Geo" lol

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Thanks for sharing a bit of your intro to the Neo Geo a few posts back, fdurso. The moments I'm recalling seem to be around the late 90's, one was at a military base, they had an MVS cab with Metal Slug 3 on it. I thought that game looked amazing, obviously hehe.. And the other was at a local Pizza Hut, they had another MVS cab with Bust-a-Move and King of the Monsters on it. I really would like to get a dog-tag King of the Monsters for my Neo Geo.

 

Other than that, it woulda had to of been just in magazines as I don't recall ever seeing anyone with an AES back in the day. It actually wasn't until a bit ago I was really aware of Neo Geo as "AES" and "MVS" .. I just knew "Neo Geo" lol

Hey Chaos,,

 

Funny you mention Pizza Hut. When I use to go with my family on Friday nights, we would have dinner at a local Pizza Hut in New Rochelle, NY. Inside the pizza hut as a Neo-Geo 2-slot MVS unit with Samurai Shodown II and Fatal Fury 2 in it. I use to have fun playing that unit instead of eating the Pizza (which i like). I never heard anyone mention that they played an MVS unit at a military base before. That's amazing. You're the first one to mention this here on the Neo-Geo thread Chaos! :)

 

Some interesting memories that you shared with us Chaos. Really awesome to have you on the thread talking about this with us. Thank you as always kind sir. :)

 

The Pizza Hut MVS machine looked like this one. Did they had the same one like this version as well Chaos?

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Anthony...

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Hi guys,
Respected Neo-Geo contributor and Atariage member Razoola did a review regarding the NeoSD on neo-geo.com. Hope you'll all enjoy on what he had to say about it

"How games play and the NeoSD preforms.

Now comes the fun part of the review because it involves playing games. There is no point buying the NeoSD after all if it cannot or cannot do the fundamental thing you bought it for, or only do them to the same level as a multicart (161in1). With this is mind I will probably reference the multicarts a few times in this section comparing how games play on that compared to the NeoSD.

KOF2003 (almost the ultimate test for the NeoSD).

Given I knew a little bit about the NeoSD before I received one I knew this was going to be the first game I flashed onto it. This is game that would tell me whether the NeoSD was just Hype or the real deal. The 161in1 has this game supported via a hack but it does not display correctly. It was a nervous 4:30 minutes while I waited for the game to flash. Then bam, once done the Neo Geo reset itself and I was presented with the Blue Green SNK / Playmore logo and growling music undertones. It's working. It's working.

For some that would be enough to say the game is supported and working but not for me. I want to make sure the hardware additions added to the original cartridge were also being handled correctly before I give my verdict.

First thing on my list was checking the game is correct with the UniBios game cart CRC32 check. I want to make sure there is no patching happening to the main program ROM to fake features in the game or cartridge hardware. I cold booted the NeoGeo and entered the CRC32 check. Boom, all regions pass!

Next priority to check was correct colour palette conversions... I can see It's an easy pass given attract mode is drawing correctly. To be sure no other trickery was going on I used the UniBios v3.3 patch feature to confirm the palette features on the original kof2003 cartridge were working as expected, and they were!

Next thing on my list, does it have the small RAM region kof2003 holds in its cartridge? After a quick test (using UniBios again)... BAM, it's there where it should be and 100% working!

Next thing to discover, is the banking system working in the same way as the original Kof2003 cartridge? Again after a little probing I can see it is!

Next thing to look at was if the NeoSD handles the FIX banking system used in the game. A simple thing to check given as soon as the first attract mode fight sequence begins I'll have the answer. Winner!!! Correct transparent effects on the energy bars and names. There is no way this can be easily patched into the game either if only the smaller FIX space is supported.

Lastly sound. There is not much to say given I can only use my ears as a reference. It sounds identical to the original to me though. There were no distortions, noise or anything else that made me say to myself this does not sound right. It was still sounding perfect after playing a few games too.

So what does this mean? Well I have thrown everything that comes to mind to try and find a weakness in the way the NeoSD is working compared to the original Kof2003 cartridge. Something where I could say this is not 100% right in how the game plays but I cannot find anything. As it stands now there is only a difference I can think of. That is if I were to put the PCBs of an original KOF2003 and the NeoSD next to each other they look different. That is how close and impressive the NeoSD is.

We need to stand back for a moment to fully appreciate what this really means in relation to what the NeoSD is doing as a piece of hardware. Kof2003 was released well over 10 years ago and during that time there was never (to my knowledge) a proper bootleg version of the game. That is a bootleg that technically does the same, and plays the same as the original including its extra features. The Bootlegs have always been easy to spot just by playing the game, this was true until October 2016. Now when you couple this truth with the fact you can load any other original SNK game onto the NeoSD... It's like mind blown!

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Garou Mark of the Wolves.

I'm not going to spend as much time going into details like I did with kof2003 because the story is the same. Many of you will undoubtedly know this is another game that has never really had correct bootlegs (or been done correctly on a multicart). I have flashed Garou onto the NeoSD and got the following;



  • Confirmed the game is unpatched.
  • Confirmed the extras SNK put on the cart are also present on the NeoSD.
  • Confirmed game banking operates in the same way as the original cartridge.
  • Confirmed expanded FIX tile support.
  • Listened to sound to confirm it's good.


Just like kof2003, Garou is just as impressive, for me it is no different than playing the game from the original cartridge. I want to highlight that an original kof2003 and Garou both use a different SNK cartridge spec. There is no way you can take one game and expect it to run on the PCB of the other. This means the NeoSD is correctly identifying the unpatched game it's loaded with and configuring itself so that game runs correctly.

I have done these same tests with various other protected games and the result is always the same. They are totally accurate, the NeoSD is setting itself to correctly copy the original game cartridge.

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Metal Slug X.

The thorn in the side, or is it? We already know this game currently is not going to run identically to the original. Neosd has been clear in the forum in mentioning this fact. It's well worth the mention here though because it highlights the effort being put in. Let me be clear first, you can flash and play the game on the NeoSD and it will appear to be original. It plays just as well as the version people use when their original MSX cart stops working and reprogram a replacement P1 ROM. In short there are patches applied to remove game protections so it will run on the NeoSD, I have confirmed this using the UniBios CRC32 check.

So what is the problem with this game? Well it's really very simple, currently the way the cart protection works is unknown. The NeoSD cannot be expected to copy something when there is no information on what it needs to copy. An original MSX cartridge will need probing to understand what it is doing. Only then can the patches be removed and the game be 100% the same as the original. There are also a couple of other areas where it is unknown if the NeoSD is doing things accurately (though it may well be accurate). Steps are being taken to confirm either way I hear and of course changes will be made if needed.

What this shows to me is the makers are not happy just to have a game that is playable, they will not be happy until the game is playable in an identical way to the original!

Trash Rally, Riding Hero and League Bowling.

These three games do work on the NeoSD and pass the UniBios CRC32 checks. The original games do come with the ability to linkup however so players can play over multiple Neo Geo systems. This feature is not supported on the NeoSD and may never be. Neosd has said it may be technically possible to add the feature via a small daughter board in the future, so all is not lost. But he also makes clear no one should take it as given that the feature will be added, even he would like to see it himself.

NGdevteam Games.

These game are not supported and will not work on the device. I took the MAME Last Hope ROM and tried in various different ways to get NeoSD to play the game. While it was easy to get the NeoSD to flash the game data, I just could not get it to run. All I got was the crosshatch screen. These games are not supported, confirmed.

Other Games in General.

I have not yet found a single issue with the exception of MSX above. All the protected games appear to be totally accurate and all original games are supported (I have not tested all mind). I have not found any sound issues on any games tested so far. Thanks to the info from GadgetUK, I have also confirmed the following games do not suffer the sound issues which plague the multicart versions;

  • Cyber Lip has no missing or broken voices during intro.
  • League Bowling does not miss ADPCM-B samples (voice on intro for example).
  • Kof98 plays radio chat voices on intro.
  • Metal Slug 5 character select music has no volume shifts.
  • NAM-1975 soldier screams does not breakup during intro.
  • Ninja Masters has no breakup or volume shifts during intro.
  • Neo Turf Masters intro and game music has no volume shifts in background music.
  • Pulstar music has no breakup and volume shifts during intro.
  • Strikers 1945 Plus has no volume shifts in background music.
  • Rage of Dragons has no breakup or volume shifts during intro.


I mentioned in the review section of the NeoBuilder that some bootleg games in MAME are not yet converted or supported. This is being worked on now I have been told. Many bootlegs that are on the multicarts will be instantly playable on the NeoSD once dumps become available given their generic nature.

I have tested some bootlegs like Metal Slug 2 turbo and Crossed Swords 2 to confirm they work as expected.


Conclusion

Apart from the Metal Slug X situation and the missing link feature there is simply nothing else I can see that needs addressing. I think to find faults will actually require me to start reviewing the games themselves!

This is a really quite advanced piece of hardware. There is no worry of having to patch out protections before some games will work as the NeoSD replicates the original cartridge hardware. It must automatically choose the right configuration for the game it holds in flash.

It is very clear the priority has been put into the NeoSD playing games correctly rather than just playing games, this justifies the price in my view. What the NeoSD is doing is quite amazing! There is little more to say, speechless...."

 

Anthony...

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I've never seen an MVS cabinet like that before with the woodgrain look, neat. The one at our local Pizza Hut was the classic looking red / white cabinet.

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Also, here's the most recent addition to my collection! = )

 

 

Nice, good looking AES Sengoku you have in your already outstanding collection Chaos! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

Thank you for sharing this with us. Glad you're the new owner of it. :)

 

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I've never seen an MVS cabinet like that before with the woodgrain look, neat. The one at our local Pizza Hut was the classic looking red / white cabinet.

Gotcha Chaos.

 

Can't go wrong with those lovely big reds for sure! :)

 

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Hi guys,

 

Game of the day, test your mettle in the awesome King of the Monsters 2 (1992) for the #neogeo. #arcade #retrogaming

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Hi guys,

 

More from Pitfall Harry.

 

#NeoGeo MVS Super Sidekicks Ultimate 11 SNK Cart #retrogaming #ebay http://www.retrodeals.net/jwrnFasplm

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GANRYU ☆RARE☆/#NeoGeo MVS GENUINE CARTRIDGE WITH SHOCKBOX. #retrogaming #ebay http://www.retrodeals.net/kGqSuRoFhc

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Y

Hey Anthony I have a question for you. It's about the Neo Geo game Pochii and nyaa. I heard it's rare and only released on MVS. Is this true and can you give some back story on it. Thanks!

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Hey Anthony I have a question for you. It's about the Neo Geo game Pochii and nyaa. I heard it's rare and only released on MVS. Is this true and can you give some back story on it. Thanks!

Hey Evan,

 

Yes, that's correct. Pochi and Nyaa its a rare title and it was only avalible for the Neo-Geo MVS.

 

The game was developed by Aiky and it was published by Taito towards the end of the Neo-Geo's life span. Its plays like Puyo Puyo and its pretty good puzzle game that its worth trying out. I'll provide pictures and a video regarding the game Evan.

 

Thank you for asking. bro. :)

 

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Anthony...

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Hig uys,

 

More from Atariage member richard31337.

 

Loading up games in the 2 Neo Geo's ready for tomorrow. Got Blazing Star, Turf Masters and Metal Slug X requested so far. Suggestions?

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