Intellivisionaries episode 9 is up!

[S1500]

Keith Robinson's fun to listen to. He has an actual personality(goofy voices, etc) , and doesn't sound like we're listening to some sort of Buzz Killington.

[Carl Mueller Jr]

It's a little disconcerting that over two hours of the Keith interview were questions and answers directly relating to me and yet my name was never mentioned… I guess I'm one of those lucky people that Keith's lawyer advised him never to talk to or associate with. :-(

 

Then suddenly towards the end of the interview, I'm credited with being "that one guy" who came to them and did the right thing by asking what I should do with the emulator and eventually getting paid. :-)

 

Carl

[+nurmix]

It's a little disconcerting that over two hours of the Keith interview were questions and answers directly relating to me and yet my name was never mentioned… I guess I'm one of those lucky people that Keith's lawyer advised him never to talk to or associate with. :-(

 

Then suddenly towards the end of the interview, I'm credited with being "that one guy" who came to them and did the right thing by asking what I should do with the emulator and eventually getting paid. :-)

 

Carl

 

For the record, all the questions I asked Keith were submitted by people here. To be honest, I wasn't certain who he was referring to with a lot of that talk, as names really didn't come up in his answers - perhaps he doesn't remember specifically who said / did what, or he just felt it wasn't necessary to divulge them. In any case, I didn't feel it was necessary to push for that information.

 

If you're curious to see who posed each question, you'll find the majority of them in this thread: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/221183-intellivisionaries-episode-5-is-up/

 

And a lot of additional ones (most of which we didn't get to due to time, but a followup "Questions" segment is scheduled for those) can be found in this thread: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/224965-intellivisionaries-questions-for-keith-robinson/

[DZ-Jay]

It's a little disconcerting that over two hours of the Keith interview were questions and answers directly relating to me and yet my name was never mentioned… I guess I'm one of those lucky people that Keith's lawyer advised him never to talk to or associate with. :-(

 

Then suddenly towards the end of the interview, I'm credited with being "that one guy" who came to them and did the right thing by asking what I should do with the emulator and eventually getting paid. :-)

 

Carl

Carl, I wouldn't take it personally, perhaps Keith is just bad with names, or has terrible memory.

 

I know that when I was at CGE, Joe Z. and I were showing him Christmas Carol and we started talking about potential future business. Keith complemented how we took care of respecting intellectual property rights on our packaging, yet also made a comment contrasting it with "that Tetris guy," whom his lawyers advised he not get involved. All the time, he kept talking with Joe and discussing possible future collaboration.

 

That was surreal. I figured he didn't remember who was involved in that episode.

 

To me, that sounds more like honest absent-mindedness than intentional snobbing.

 

dZ.

[+cmart604]

It's a little disconcerting that over two hours of the Keith interview were questions and answers directly relating to me and yet my name was never mentioned I guess I'm one of those lucky people that Keith's lawyer advised him never to talk to or associate with. :-(

 

Then suddenly towards the end of the interview, I'm credited with being "that one guy" who came to them and did the right thing by asking what I should do with the emulator and eventually getting paid. :-)

 

Carl

as I was listening I kept saying "you're talking about Carl!"

[Carl Mueller Jr]

For the record, I was the guy that offered Keith an emulation alternative to the horribly scripted games done in Hong Kong, which I called I4NES (Intellivision for NES 8-bit). Yes, it would've run on the same hardware they were planning to use.

 

Keith's answer is true enough: it wasn't ready when they did the initial run of units. However, if they had consulted with me I would have told them it could be done and started programming it much sooner. Although Techno Source thought the plug-and-play market exhausted by the time I had something to present, I still think it would've sold pretty well anyway.

 

I'm still going to release this project in one form or another.

 

I'm also the guy who did the emulation for the Game Boy Color with all the confusing controller combinations. If developments would have continued on this, a menu system would have been added to help alleviate those combinations -- specifically a context-sensitive menu system which was later added to I4NES.

 

I'm also the guy who came to them and "did it the right way" by asking what I should do with the first emulator. This is the only time my dealings with them ever went smoothly!

 

I'm also very likely the guy who came to him asking about doing NES cartridge versions of Intellivision games. I think he misunderstood that these wouldn't be emulated games, and that I somehow pulled the awful scripted code from one of the plug-and-play ROMs. This could, however be someone else. But I did present him with the idea.

 

Ah, what could've been. But forward and on…

 

Ms. Pac-Man soon, I4NES by next year at least.

[Carl Mueller Jr]

By the way, I'm not angry with anyone that did the interview with Keith or even with Keith. I'm just pointing a few things out for those who might be curious who "all these people" Keith was talking about actually are.

Edited May 30, 2014 by Carl Mueller Jr

[SoulBlazer]

By the way, I'm not angry with anyone that did the interview with Keith or even with Keith. I'm just pointing a few things out for those who might be curious who "all these people" Keith was talking about actually are.

You're a very big man, Carl. Considering Keith was basically blasting you for your homebrew pratices during his interview (even if he didn't refer to you by name) and it wasn't legal, it almost caused them problems, etc., I'm shocked you're not angry at him. I know I would be.

[Intellfan]

Thanks love your guys ,Podcasts

[+nurmix]

By the way, I'm not angry with anyone that did the interview with Keith or even with Keith. I'm just pointing a few things out for those who might be curious who "all these people" Keith was talking about actually are.

Thanks for the clarification, Carl. When we have you on the show, I would love to go into more details about ALL of these topics.

[+nurmix]

You're a very big man, Carl. Considering Keith was basically blasting you for your homebrew pratices during his interview (even if he didn't refer to you by name) and it wasn't legal, it almost caused them problems, etc., I'm shocked you're not angry at him. I know I would be.

Just to clarify, some of the things mentioned with regard to "infringing" homebrew games were not directed at Carl, but instead at some of the games that IntelligentVision did.

[Games For Your Intellivision]

Keith is just protecting his interests.

 

I understand where he is coming from.

 

Left Turn Only, LLC. and Classic Game Publishers, Inc. (Elektronite) are real companies, and whatever mistakes have occurred in the past can be rectified.

 

Getting permissions to use the Intellivision logo on Elektronite packaging for example by adding disclaimers.

 

Both LTO and Elektronite are 'doing things right' and I think that there is hope for collaboration in the future.

[Rev]

What I got from the interview is that he WOULD NOT work with ANYONE that has in the past made or released any homebrew that has the slightest possible copyright/trademark/license infringement with another company.

 

What he essentially said is, if a company went after one of the possible homebrew partners and sued for a past game they released that was pirated, they would see it was not worth it and then may go after INtellivision because thay had "deep pockets".

 

I think he even mentioned changing the names of games was not enough. I will go back and re-listen to the interview and quote if anyone disagrees.

 

So, I cant see him working with any of the current homebrew makers really...if anyone is hopeful about working with intellivision, they are dillusional...........maybe DZ with Carol, I dont think that game has any copyright infringement.

 

 

 

p.s. dont kill the messenger.....

[Games For Your Intellivision]

I don't think the door is totally closed Rev.

 

That being said, Keith did say something about not wanting to release games that have been released already illegally.

 

I had a verbal agreement to manufacture Super Pro Billiards (as an Intellivision Productions game) for them, but about a month or two after the agreement, the game came out.

 

Nothing happened after that.

[Games For Your Intellivision]

JLP 4 was designed to work with the Intellivision Productions shell.

 

 

 

[Rev]

Intellivision Productions is looking to the future, cart releases for a couple hundred fans *I dont think* is part of the plan. Flashback units have the potential to make them alot of money, why would they bother with cart releases now.

 

 

edit: Cool looking shell though. Would the cart label cover up the running man logo?

Edited May 31, 2014 by revolutionika

[Games For Your Intellivision]

Yes, only 75 steamrollers sold. However, that was for the Colecovision.

 

Look at all of the facebook likes on the Intellivision website. NONE of them know about Elektronite games. I think that done right, that cartridge sales could be 'worth doing'. That is certainly what LTO and Elektronite have been working towards.

 

The Atari Flashback 2 was done on real hardware. A cartridge port could be hacked into it. I think a similar Intellivision Flashback unit is possible, if the will is there.

 

Convincing Intellivision Productions that it is worthwhile is difficult when it is the 'wild west' regarding 'homebrews'. As you can see, I was 'close'.....but it was derailed. I didn't photoshop those pictures. Intellivision Productions sent us the shells. It is too bad that it got derailed.

[+nurmix]

Yes, only 75 steamrollers sold. However, that was for the Colecovision.

 

Look at all of the facebook likes on the Intellivision website. NONE of them know about Elektronite games. I think that done right, that cartridge sales could be 'worth doing'. That is certainly what LTO and Elektronite have been working towards.

 

The Atari Flashback 2 was done on real hardware. A cartridge port could be hacked into it. I think a similar Intellivision Flashback unit is possible, if the will is there.

 

Convincing Intellivision Productions that it is worthwhile is difficult when it is the 'wild west' regarding 'homebrews'. As you can see, I was 'close'.....but it was derailed. I didn't photoshop those pictures. Intellivision Productions sent us the shells. It is too bad that it got derailed.

I'm convinced that a deal can be made with Intellivision Productions - if they can be made to see the possibilities of the market as you (and I) see it, William.

 

One of my goals with starting the podcast was to make this sort of thing a reality. If I can be a broker of sorts to help facilitate this happening, I'm ALL IN.

[+intvsteve]

My take on the interview w/ Mr. Robinson is that he thinks it would be cool to do the home-brew thing, but he's more interested in keeping the Intellivision brand of fun alive and available to a larger audience.

 

A cynic might say that it's only about money. Maybe I'm still a hopeless romantic, but he sure sounds enthusiastic and 'in love' with the Intellivision enough to where I still hold out hope that he / Intellivision Productions will, under the right circumstances, bow to the wishes of that small group of old fogey collectors (us).

[+cmart604]

Finished this earlier today, another great episode. I just wish I wouldn't run through these so fast, now I have to wait another month for the next one.

 

It was interesting to hear all that's going to be going on at CGE and how committed these guys are to preserving the legacy. I hope a lot of the folks from here listening will be convinced to go to Vegas as it would be great for a bunch of us to get together and meet in real life and play some Inty. Some fun tourneys followed by pizza and beer should be the plan.

 

Keith is always entertaining, he's a real storyteller. I look forward to hearing "questions with Keith" again.

 

Wendell was an interesting interview, he clearly has lots of ideas about gaming and it was great to hear him say he might be interested in making a game for the Inty for fun. Get him those Dev tools ASAP!

 

Beauty and the Beast is one of my favourite games on the system and certainly the Imagic game that I've played the most. Maybe I'll try to play some this weekend.

 

Thanks again for an entertaining podcast, can't say enough good things about how well you guys have done this.

[+nurmix]

Thanks, cmart. We'll try for an 8 hour episode soon, just to keep you entertained a bit longer!

 

CGE is going to be a blast! I really hope a lot of our listeners come to the show.

 

And we should have another Q4K segment next month. He is very eager to do these. It's a great way to communicate with the hard core collector community, honestly and openly.

 

And yeah, Wendell Brown was great. Check out his Wikipedia page if you want to be impressed: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendell_Brown

[+doctorclu]

JLP 4 was designed to work with the Intellivision Productions shell.

 

 

 

 

That is beautiful, but I have to agree, the running man should not be on the sticker side. What a waste!

[+intvsteve]

 

That is beautiful, but I have to agree, the running man should not be on the sticker side. What a waste!

Yeah, that is unfortunate placement. Having the embossed running man on the underside would have been perfect.

 

The shell is a pleasing blend of the classic Mattel with Activision. Don't see any overt Imagic influences there, unless the stickers were going to be shiny.

[Games For Your Intellivision]

 

That is beautiful, but I have to agree, the running man should not be on the sticker side. What a waste!

 

 

It's not. It's on the bottom.

[+intvsteve]

 

 

It's not. It's on the bottom.

Sweet. Did it have a similar area for the sticker on the top half then, too?