Consoles you just can't get excited about

[Andromeda Stardust]

 

Actually, the XBOX can handle emulation a decent bit better than the Ouya. Just speaking as an Ouya (and a modded XBOX) owner..

 

The Pinball Arcade is horrendous on the Ouya.

Day one pinball updates and you get to use a real controller. Ouya rocks once you ditch the stock controller and go PS3.

[Austin]

Day one pinball updates and you get to use a real controller. Ouya rocks once you ditch the stock controller and go PS3.

 

What good are day one updates if the game still runs like ass?

[Great Hierophant]

I cannot find any particular enthusiasm for two of the big three generation 2.5 consoles, the 5200 and the Colecovision. Both versions of the 5200 are beasts with horrible controllers and most of their games can be found on the Atari 8-bit computers, which offer much, much more.

 

The Colecovision appears to me to be something that you had in your youth and loved it, otherwise its hard to see the attraction. Most of the highly favored games are arcade ports, very few unique experiences on this system. The stock controllers are poor and the system is larger than it needs to be. Even the hardware is completely generic and that bootup pause is annoying. I know that there have been several ports of MSX games to the system, but the MSX can play more games, has a better sound chip, a keyboard and joystick ports. If I wanted something like that, I'd buy an MSX.

[Andromeda Stardust]

 

What good are day one updates if the game still runs like ass?

It doesn't "run like ass." You are comparing it to the Android version on a touch phone, which Ouya isn't. The controls were designed from the ground up to use a controller. Touch screen gaming is "ass," btw...

 

Oh, and they brought back season passes for season 4, w00t!

 

Did you get season 4 discount passes for PS3? PS4? Xbox360? Xbox One? How about passes for season 3? Didn't think so...

 

But let's agree to disagree, shall we? And not continue to thread crap. This argument is going nowhere.

Edited November 11, 2014 by stardust4ever

[AtariLeaf]

I'd just like to second that there is no ass running in the ouya version of pinball arcade.

[sega_SHARK]

 

The Colecovision appears to me to be something that you had in your youth and loved it, otherwise its hard to see the attraction. Most of the highly favored games are arcade ports, very few unique experiences on this system. The stock controllers are poor and the system is larger than it needs to be. Even the hardware is completely generic and that bootup pause is annoying. I know that there have been several ports of MSX games to the system, but the MSX can play more games, has a better sound chip, a keyboard and joystick ports. If I wanted something like that, I'd buy an MSX.

I never had a ColecoVision in the '80s so I'm not very nostalgic about it. The stock controllers and boot up pause are EXTREMELY annoying. I bought a CV on eBay on a whim and once it arrived, I was pretty underwhelmed to say the least. I decided to get the system modded by Yurkie, who added ball knobs to the controllers, straight controller cords, and a BIOS skip. This system is now a daily driver. I like the fact that MSX and Adam computer games are ported to it, and that it has some original games developed from time to time. I think that the generic hardware is an attraction for me. Why have an Adam Computer, MSX, SG-1000, and Atari VCS when you can just have a ColecoVision?

 

So I guess I'm not very excited about the ColecoVision. I am pretty excited about my Yurkievision with an Atarimax SD cart and a stack of homebrews to play.

 

I'm just not very excited about that many systems that I have previously owned or sunk a lot of time into at friends houses.

INTV? Played a lot of it. Had tons of fun with it. Didn't hate the controllers. Have no desire to own one.

NES? Had one, really had fun with learning about different game genres like Strategy RPGs (Nobunaga's Ambition). Don't want one.

Super NES and Genesis? Just not excited about 16 bit era right now. Wish I was.

PS1? Had one, played a lot of Metal Gear, sold for Dreamcast.

 

I guess I have a "been there done that" attitude with a lot of consoles. Give me something new. Which is why I like MSX stuff or Sg-1000 stuff for the ColecoVision. It's new to me.

Edited November 11, 2014 by sega_SHARK

[+wood_jl]

Wow, what a lot of negativity!! I suppose the topic begs for it.

 

Home consoles are a really nifty piece of consumer hardware. Each offered its own. The trouble is, there are fewer-and-fewer players each year, meanwhile the games become less-and-less unique. The trouble with this topic is that it's just too easy to shit-talk a particular console, and the ones most likely to do so are the ones who least appreciate it - *BASED ON SUBJECTIVITY, ALONE.* Therefore, this topic is of relatively-little importance.

[CatPix]

It's still interesting to see what people dislike into a system, when it's explained clearly and it's not "I hate NES becoz they killed Atari thy ar suxxors and NES fanbois are no tru gamerzs". Also not that the topic is NOT "what console you dislike" but "what consoles you can't get excited about".

And "being not excited" doesn't mean you flatly hate the system.

As I explained myself, the Nintendo 64 is such a system to me. I do'nt hate the N64. I have one, and I have games on it, games I like. But, would you steal my N64 and games, I would feel like "meh..." and not much more.

It's like... I have one because the gmes are good and unavailable on other systems, but, as far as the N64 goes.. I have the Zelda Gamecube special CD with both N64 Zelda games on it; I have the DS version of Super Mario.

I would miss the Mario Kart game and Conker, but I do'nt even own Conker right now. But, it's mostly about the games. Whereas when I look at the Bally Astrocade, or the SNin, or the GameCube, I like the system itself, the way it look, the nice or clunky paddles, the way the carts are designed, the video output, etc... I like the console itself as a piece of hardware as much as the games available. But the N64 doesn't do this at all for me.

And it's why I "can't get excited about". But I don't dislike it.

[Jinks]

FlickerNES. xb1 and original xb1 I mean like the first one. ps2 ps3 ps4. ps 1 was amazing in its time. dreamcast. jag. 5200. barbievision. coleco is cool but dont have one(cause I despise any console for its numberpad) like hello it shoulda been a rotary then I would buy that phone controller. snes. tg16.

genesis and sms are cool.

And troll threads like this suck too. wth did I contribute like a big douche I can be I guess.

[Austin]

It doesn't "run like ass." You are comparing it to the Android version on a touch phone, which Ouya isn't. The controls were designed from the ground up to use a controller. Touch screen gaming is "ass," btw...

It runs horribly (I was playing it two nights ago, on the Ouya, straight from the Ouya store, not side loaded). The framerate is choppy as hell and with how it stands now they would have been better off simply porting one of the old Hall of Fame collections. TPA on the Ouya is a rushed port barely optimized for the hardware and just another lazy, quick cash grab from Farsight.

 

"Ooooohhh, season passes!!" Whoop-de-friggin'-doo. Again, this is a moot point when the game sucks as-is. 30+ tables that run terribly! "YES, FARSIGHT!! LET ME GIVE YOU MY MONEY. LET ME BEND OVER FOR YOU WHILE WE'RE AT IT..."

 

/sarcasm

 

If you enjoy your turd, then more power to you. I guess.

[Andromeda Stardust]

If you enjoy your turd, then more power to you. I guess.

I must be descendant of a dung beetle then. Because your so-called "turd" is delicious!

 

I'd just like to second that there is no ass running in the ouya version of pinball arcade.

Agreed.

[dashv]

I must be descendant of a dung beetle then. Because your so-called "turd" is delicious!

 

Agreed.

 

Stardust4ever you made me laugh so hard I cried. After the day I've had it was a great thing!

 

I haven't played pinball arcade on the Ouya but I have had my share of disappointment with it on the PS3.

 

Bought Attack from Mars and the Pro pack for PS3 only to find it ran like ass in HD. The lag was so bad the ball would drain before the flippers would register my button presses.

 

After hours of googling and reading through countless other rants from other people with the same problem and reading everything from the PBA folks flat out denying anything was wrong, to convoluted reasoning as to what causes it and why it's not fixable. I finally read a post that helped me get it playable.

 

I have to force my PS3 to no higher than 720p to get decent framerates from it.

 

Other problems I had:

 

It doesn't update like normal PS3 games I have to physically delete it and re-download it from the store. The 3D is pretty sweet once I've dealt with the two problems above but it's honestly too big of a pain in the ass to get going (try to play->find out at menu I need an update->quit->delete->download->install->reconfigure ps3->play->return ps3 to normal config). I barely play it.

 

I know the lag isn't my setup because I can play Zen pinball (and another other games/systems for that matter) all day long and the flippers are responsive as hell.

 

I only got the PS3 version because I bought Attack From Mars (normal and pro pack) for my iphone 4 and it was absolutely awesome! Played great. I own about 5 tables on the iphone 4 they all play great!

 

An HD version (I got it before 3D was supported) seemed like a great thing. I checked it out again when 3D was added and was impressed...

 

Impressed by the fact they could add 3D but some how could not get the HD display lag fixed.

 

Haven't returned to it on PS3 since. Or bought any other tables on PS3.

 

Edited November 12, 2014 by dashv

[Rhomaios]

Wow, what a lot of negativity!! I suppose the topic begs for it.

 

Home consoles are a really nifty piece of consumer hardware. Each offered its own. The trouble is, there are fewer-and-fewer players each year, meanwhile the games become less-and-less unique. The trouble with this topic is that it's just too easy to shit-talk a particular console, and the ones most likely to do so are the ones who least appreciate it - *BASED ON SUBJECTIVITY, ALONE.* Therefore, this topic is of relatively-little importance.

 

The importance lies not in understanding the consoles, but just seeing what fellow forumers like and dislike. It's interesting to get to know each other's tastes a bit, imo.

[NE146]

I can't say I'm a huge fan of digital content for one simple reason.. as the years pass I simply forget I own them! For example I totally forgot I had bought a digital copy of Command and Conquer for the PC off Amazon only a short number of years ago. Whether it's downloaded PC titles, Dsi/3DS games, Xblive arcade titles (relegated to your 360 consoles.. and once they pull support for it.. only one ONE 360 console), iphone/droid apps, or heck, even DLC like the $15 maps for Call of Duty. The fact is these games won't be at the forefront of my mind and 10 years down the road I may very well forget all the stuff I paid good money for and so should still OWN and be able to play if I wanted to. With physical copies that wasn't a factor obviously. And as the different accounts grow and vary (GoG, Steam, Origin, Amazon, Nintendo, Xblive, PSN etc.) it just gets more disparate unless you make good records.

That said, I have zero doubt in my mind at some point down the road, like it all will be made right by someone, somewhere. and we'll see for example: "complete collection of xblive arcade titles" easily snagged/downloaded/etc., then played on an emulation platform of some sort.. whatever form it may take 20 years or so down the road.

[Zap!]

Consoles are like countries. While every one of them has some beauty, some have a lot less than others. I won't give examples, because with my luck someone in this thread will be from the "less beautiful" countries I name.

Edited November 12, 2014 by Zap!

[Andromeda Stardust]

 

Stardust4ever you made me laugh so hard I cried. After the day I've had it was a great thing!

 

I haven't played pinball arcade on the Ouya but I have had my share of disappointment with it on the PS3.

 

This really belongs in the Pinball Arcade thread, but I'll try to explain the issues with the consolized versions of TPA. I read on Pinball Arcade forums of numerous issues with the Xbox360 and PS3 versions due to the way the store was set up.

 

Xbox360 needed either a publisher or total exclusivity for the first six months in order to release games on XBLA, so Farsight used Crave as their publisher same as with the Gottlieb and Williams Pinball Hall of Fame editions. Crave went bankrupt but still held exclusive rights to the content on the 360, so content could not be updated and royalties from sales were withheld pending litigation, eventually resulting in the complete removal of TPA from the platform.

 

Sony PS3 had an issue with the way the console handles DLC content. The majority of games are expected to include all of the content updates within the main program, and the DLC packs are generally only a few kb in filesize which include the unlock keys for content already included within the main package. This presents a problem for TPA distribution model which contains all of the data for each table within each DLC pack. The main program only includes the application interface. PS3 cannot easily update DLC once installed hence the need to manually delete and redownload the table packs. If a table had bugs in it upon release, gamers would get stuck with them. There was supposedly a "super patch" released to fix this...

 

Farsight announced support for Wii-U back in 2012 but has yet to add it. I waited and waited. Since I had zero plans to buy a PS4 and eventually bought an Ouya, it became my goto platform for Pinball Arcade and I have been happy with it. I game on a low-latency ASUS monitor (~8ms) and generally use a PS3 controller. There is a slight amount of lag, but it only really affects the fastest of the tables. Black Knight 2000 (season 3) is the only table I struggle with the timing because it is extremely fast.

 

I also play Zen Pinball on my Wii-U occasionally (I bought all the non-Marvel tables) and it does indeed feel snappier that TPA, but it is also fantasy pinball. The balls physics are much floatier than in real life, so that is expected. I had an opportunity to play Bride of Pinbot, Attack of Mars, and Mideval Mayhem at the Texas Pinball Festival, and the response of the simulated tables was spot on, aside from a very slight amount of flipper lag which you quickly adapt to.

[+Cafeman]

I'll start with Atari 7800, because my opinion changed. For many years, I was disinterested in it because of its same-old / unappealing software library. But I eventually got it for Food Fight, and also its backwards compatibility w/2600. And I found that the 2-player simultaneous games (Centipede, Asteroids) were a lot of fun! But the homebrew scene exploring its capabilities sparked a lot more interest in 7800 for me.

 

I'd say Atari Jaguar is the least exciting system I ever owned, and it is one of the few I sold because I just didn't want to play it anymore. I can play great versions of Tempest 2000 and Rayman on Sega Saturn. I didn't like the feel of the controllers and probably AvsP was the only unique title that would appeal to me, and I don't really get into Doom-style games. If only Atari had boldly embraced their Golden Age library and produced Jag versions of more games. I realize that wasn't the market back in the early 90's but who knows. Jag versions of Battlezone, Night Driver, Yars Revenge and Adventure could've been as appealing as Tempest 2000. I still remember finally playing Trevor McFur and other games and wondering what Diehard Gamefan was smokin' when they wrote those reviews. (slight in-joke there, of course).

 

I could not have cared less about Odyssey 2 or Channel F, those ancient systems.

 

One final comment about my disappointment with Colecovision. Man, I'd have loved to have owned a CV. It had the coolest "different" game library, but back then nobody really bought mulitple systems. I bought a 5200 and Atari computer and that was that. So when I finally got a CV system in the early 2000's with like 50 carts, I was excited. Until I played it. Yes, some games were fun,. but the mushroom-knob controllers were way worse than any Atari System controllers. (To me). And it seemed that the system's specs produced astonishingly nice screenshots, but mostly the in-game action didn't appeal to me on many games. I shoulda owned in back in the day , I guess. I still play CV games but on emulation. Again, the homebrew scene is another story, and makes me wish I still had that CV system , but I eventually unloaded it again because of limited space and lack of desire to ever hook it up again.

 

 

 

[Austin]

I also play Zen Pinball on my Wii-U occasionally (I bought all the non-Marvel tables) and it does indeed feel snappier that TPA, but it is also fantasy pinball. The balls physics are much floatier than in real life, so that is expected. I had an opportunity to play Bride of Pinbot, Attack of Mars, and Mideval Mayhem at the Texas Pinball Festival, and the response of the simulated tables was spot on, aside from a very slight amount of flipper lag which you quickly adapt to.

 

Obviously to each their own and I'm glad you are enjoying your method of playing TPA. However, as an owner of several pinball machines (and a frequent player in tournaments), I can tell you the physics in TPA feel nothing like a real machine's physics. You might think they are "spot on" based on your once-in-a-while real machine experience, but you are wrong. Go learn some advanced flipper techniques and attempt to use them on TPA (drop catches, live catches, alley passes, tap passes, etc), then tell me how you really feel.

[R.O.T.S]

I have an interest in most systems to some degree upto the Dreamcast/GBA and very little interest in anything after that or current gen,but to answer the question I think the system I have the least fun with would be the Intellivision as try as I might I just struggle to play the games more than a few minutes. Great fan of the Intellivisionaries podcast and (as with other retro systems) any history connected to the system and its games of course but I just struggle to get interested while playing most Intellivision games for various reasons.

Edited November 18, 2014 by R.O.T.S

[Willsy]

Philips G7000. Loved it as an 11 year old, though!

[magikarpow]

Xbox One. The bane of my existence.

 

 

Oh, and the Game.com.

And R-Type.

Pretty much anything Tiger or Microsoft actually.

[Bill Loguidice]

Xbox One. The bane of my existence.

 

 

Oh, and the Game.com.

And R-Type.

Pretty much anything Tiger or Microsoft actually.

 

Pretty strange to have a company as an arch nemesis, no?

[dashv]

Xbox One. The bane of my existence.

 

*said as if talking through a mask*

 

Download all system updates and purchase an online pass.

 

Then, you have my permission to play...

Edited November 19, 2014 by dashv

[Bill Loguidice]

*said as if talking through a mask*

 

Download all system updates and purchase an online pass.

 

Then, you have my permission to play...

 

Right, because of course we all know that's completely different from any other modern console or computer...

[dashv]

Right, because of course we all know that's completely different from any other modern console or computer...

It's ok Bill. I was just making a joke.

 

I have no intention of waxing poetic about drm, pay-per-play, etc.

 

Didn't you see Batman Dark Night Rises?