Col7800 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 That is due to a bug in the game. Cheers Trebor, first time it happened I thought there was something wrong with my system. I doesn't take 10 hours, only about 15/20 minutes for it to crash showing diagonal lines on screen. Haven't experienced it during gameplay as yet, but I confess to getting tired of the game pretty quickly. I take it the capacitor removal is purely for 2600 games, and I haven't found a one that doesn't work using my Harmony cart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 ... Again just curious more than anything. And it dos appear they make 1.5amp output 7805s, Would be interesting to perhaps get ahold of some of those and install them to see. ... http://www.ebay.com/itm/252433083539 up to 3A and no need for heat sink!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78001987 Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 So in an effort of clarity, I started testing these games in alphabetical order, without pokey installed, since clearly my POKEY is causing issues, even with non-pokey games. Commercial games: Ace of Aces - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Alien Brigade - Not Working, crashes on intro screen animation. Asteroids - Working 100% Ballblazer - Working 100% (even with POKEY!) Barnyard Blaster - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Basketbrawl - Not working, crashes at title screen, garbled graphics. Centipede - working 100% Choplifter! - Working 100% Commando - Working 100% (even with Pokey installed!) Crack’ed - Working 100% Crossbow - Working 100% Dark Chambers - Working 100% Desert Falcon - Working 100% Dig Dug - Working 100% Donkey Kong - Working 100% Donkey Kong Junior - Working 100% Double Dragon - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) F-18 Hornet - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Fatal Run - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Fight Night - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Food Fight - Working 100% Galaga - Working 100% Hat Trick - Working 100% Ikari Warriors - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Impossible Mission - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Jinks - didn't test, game is crap. Joust - Working 100% Karateka - Working 100% Kung-Fu Master - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get all enemies to appear) Mario Bros. - Working 100% Mat Mania Challenge - Working 100% Mean 18 Ultimate Golf Meltdown - Working 100% Midnight Mutants - Working 100% Motor Psycho - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Ms. Pac-Man - Working 100% Ninja Golf - Working 100% One-On-One Basketball - Working 100% Pac Man Collection - Working 100% Pete Rose Baseball Planet Smashers Atari - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Pole Position II - Working 100% Rampage - Working 100% Realsports Baseball Robotron 2084 - working 100% Scrapyard Dog - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Sentinel Summer Games - Working 100% Super Huey Super Skateboardin’ - Working 100% Tank Command - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Title Match Pro Wrestling Tomcat: The F-14 Fighter Simulator - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Touchdown Football Tower Toppler Water Ski - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Winter Games - Working 100% Xenophobe - Working 100% Xevious - Working 100% There are some I didn't get to test - I will test those tonight if I can. What appears to happen occasionally is if I load a large "Supergame" rom, affter having previously loaded a smaller rom - I get garbled graphics or unplayable game state after the title screen, or during the title screen. but loading the game a second time seems to fix that in most cases. I will also note that Alien Brigade and Basketbrawl did not load at all on one console, but did on another. The console they did not work on has the timing capacitor removed. The console they did work on doesn't have that circuit at all. Homebrews appear to be a different animal, and most issues are consistent across multiple consoles. I will list those in a separate post, as they need more work. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 may i ask a question 78001987? Where did you find a download for the original romset for 7800 games? I found a list of homebrew so far... I never tried orignal games yet.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Grab all original retail release title ROMs from the download labelled ADDFILES here. Inside that compressed zip archive linked above (MAME0164_A7800_ADDFILES.zip) is a folder named "software". Inside the "software" folder, there is a folder labelled "a7800" containing the NTSC ROMs, and a folder labelled "a7800p" containing the PAL ROMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+eebuckeye Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Where is the list of homebrews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Where is the list of homebrews? Here. Scroll to the bottom of the first post. Complete list of titles included are under the "Spoiler". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+eebuckeye Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Thank you and thank goodness for the zip file with all of them! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Thanks will have to try this weekend and post results. Found another normal sd card 512mb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78001987 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 may i ask a question 78001987? Where did you find a download for the original romset for 7800 games? I found a list of homebrew so far... I never tried orignal games yet..dude, they are all right here, at Atariage. http://www.atariage.com/system_items.html?SystemID=7800&ItemTypeID=ROM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Yeah Trebor pointed it out. Till now I have been all with original hardware and homebrew carts. I found the one easily with the homebrew thread but the original ones I could not find. Which was ok cause they are in cart form innmy collection.. Actually most homebrews are as well cept some hack ones and the newest unreleased ones like froggie, bbcq, salvo, etc.. waiting on "the store" Coming soon!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78001987 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 So in an effort of clarity, I started testing these games in alphabetical order, without pokey installed, since clearly my POKEY is causing issues, even with non-pokey games. Commercial games: Ace of Aces - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Alien Brigade - Not Working, crashes on intro screen animation. Asteroids - Working 100% Ballblazer - Working 100% (even with POKEY!) Barnyard Blaster - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Basketbrawl - Not working, crashes at title screen, garbled graphics. Centipede - working 100% Choplifter! - Working 100% Commando - Working 100% (even with Pokey installed!) Crack’ed - Working 100% Crossbow - Working 100% Dark Chambers - Working 100% Desert Falcon - Working 100% Dig Dug - Working 100% Donkey Kong - Working 100% Donkey Kong Junior - Working 100% Double Dragon - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) F-18 Hornet - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Fatal Run - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Fight Night - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Food Fight - Working 100% Galaga - Working 100% Hat Trick - Working 100% Ikari Warriors - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Impossible Mission - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Jinks - - Working 100% Joust - Working 100% Karateka - Working 100% Kung-Fu Master - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get all enemies to appear) Mario Bros. - Working 100% Mat Mania Challenge - Working 100% Mean 18 Ultimate Golf - Working 100% Meltdown - Working 100% Midnight Mutants - Working 100% Motor Psycho - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Ms. Pac-Man - Working 100% Ninja Golf - Working 100% One-On-One Basketball - Working 100% Pac Man Collection - Working 100% Pete Rose Baseball - Working 100% Planet Smashers Atari - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Pole Position II - Working 100% Rampage - Working 100% Realsports Baseball - Working 100% Robotron 2084 - working 100% Scrapyard Dog - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Sentinel - Working 100% Summer Games - Working 100% Super Huey - Working 100% Super Skateboardin’ - Working 100% Tank Command - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Title Match Pro Wrestling - Working 100% Tomcat: The F-14 Fighter Simulator - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Touchdown Football - Working 100% Tower Toppler - Working 100% Water Ski - Working 100% (had to load a second time to get past title screen) Winter Games - Working 100% Xenophobe - Working 100% Xevious - Working 100% There are some I didn't get to test - I will test those tonight if I can. What appears to happen occasionally is if I load a large "Supergame" rom, affter having previously loaded a smaller rom - I get garbled graphics or unplayable game state after the title screen, or during the title screen. but loading the game a second time seems to fix that in most cases. I will also note that Alien Brigade and Basketbrawl did not load at all on one console, but did on another. The console they did not work on has the timing capacitor removed. The console they did work on doesn't have that circuit at all. Homebrews appear to be a different animal, and most issues are consistent across multiple consoles. I will list those in a separate post, as they need more work. updated above to reflect complete results. again, occasionally I've had to load a game, start it only for it to crash, then load it a second time and it works fine. It almost seems like some bits of the previously loaded game get stuck in the flash, and need to be flushed out - if that makes any sense. Still have the issue with many games crashing or having serious graphical/sound problems when my POKEY chip is installed, so I will try to procure a new, tested POKEY to rule out mine being damaged. Also - I've listed my results with Homebrews in previous posts, those remain the same. Most homebrew games that don't have POKEY sound work fine (when no pokey chip is present in Concerto), though some took a second load to work. This includes all of BobD/PMP's homebrews. None of the POKEY enabled homebrew work properly with a POKEY chip installed in the Concerto cart. Some will play the game with no graphics issues, but no POKEY sound is present. B-*nQ doens't work at all, pokey or not, on any of my consoles. The single exception to the Pokey Homebrew not working is Froggie. It works 100% with POKEY, and plays normal without POKEY, except you get no sound. (as expected) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 The single exception to the Pokey Homebrew not working is Froggie. It works 100% with POKEY, and plays normal without POKEY, except you get no sound. (as expected) Interesting. It should default to TIA sound if the POKEY isn't detected. Schmutzpuppe posted this version with it correctly implemented. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/69060-frogger-first-playable-demo/page-16?do=findComment&comment=2775162 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78001987 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Interesting. It should default to TIA sound if the POKEY isn't detected. Schmutzpuppe posted this version with it correctly implemented. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/69060-frogger-first-playable-demo/page-16?do=findComment&comment=2775162 I might be using an older version. I'll test this tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78001987 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 bear in mind - with the above testing, I did not play each game for hours on end. I got past the title screen, and played in-game for 5-10 minutes (usually until a game ended, as I ran out of lives, etc.) If there are problems with games crashing after running for long periods of time, I haven't tested for that, and likely won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+batari Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 I don't know if anyone remembers back in 2014 when I discovered (what I thought to be) a problem with the memory chips I was using for Concerto. I got glitches and random crashes with the chip that I did not get with a different brand of chip. Well, I pulled out one of those old prototypes and ran it with my new PSU (12v, 1A) and it runs perfectly even with that old chip. No crashes at all. Just more evidence in my mind that some of the issues here are still with power. The PSU I was using back then burned itself out some time ago so that is also kind of telling. The low power chips should be here Saturday, or Monday at the latest, so I will post then with results. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everett1954 Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Thanks for keeping us updated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accousticguitar Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Thanks for keeping us updated. ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Tried all original roms all crashed or glitched after 1 minute playing then crashed. tested with 512mb impact sd card formatted fat 16. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 I don't know if anyone remembers back in 2014 when I discovered (what I thought to be) a problem with the memory chips I was using for Concerto. I got glitches and random crashes with the chip that I did not get with a different brand of chip. Well, I pulled out one of those old prototypes and ran it with my new PSU (12v, 1A) and it runs perfectly even with that old chip. No crashes at all. Just more evidence in my mind that some of the issues here are still with power. The PSU I was using back then burned itself out some time ago so that is also kind of telling. The low power chips should be here Saturday, or Monday at the latest, so I will post then with results. Tried all original roms all crashed or glitched after 1 minute playing then crashed. tested with 512mb impact sd card formatted fat 16. Batari, do you think it is possible bad memory chips may have gotten into the newest batch of Concertos? I would like to send my cart back for testing so we know for certain it is or isn't an issue with my specific 7800 console. EDIT: It's up for grabs for anybody who wants it: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/259122-fs-concerto-with-pokey-installed-as-is-120-shipped/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78001987 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Interesting. It should default to TIA sound if the POKEY isn't detected. Schmutzpuppe posted this version with it correctly implemented. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/69060-frogger-first-playable-demo/page-16?do=findComment&comment=2775162 this worked! Though it did take a second loading to get it working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Tried all original roms all crashed or glitched after 1 minute playing then crashed. tested with 512mb impact sd card formatted fat 16. Well, there we have one thing about Canada, that sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Well, there we have one thing about Canada, that sucks. Its our power up here it's too weak! Not like good ole Merican powar! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIO2 Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Its our power up here it's too weak! Not like good ole Merican powar! Be sure to rub the rod with rabbit fur. Moose fur is way too coarse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 18, 2016 Share Posted November 18, 2016 Be sure to rub the rod with rabbit fur. Moose fur is way too coarse. Cat fur works best, preferably a live one. Seriously, rub a latex balloon on a cat in the dark; you will make visible mini lightning strikes! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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