Any PC gamers here cause I have a question

[TheObscureGamer]

So I don't know anything about PC's and I want to know what is the cheapest PC I can buy to play these(below) games.So far I see a ThinkCentre M83 for $330(normal price is 583.20)and it has an Intel® Core™ i3-4130 Processor (2 cores / 4 threads, 3.4GHz, 3MB cache) but don't know if that's any good to run the below games and similar(by similar I mean graphically similar and from the same years).The games:Need For Speed Hot Pursuit 2

Need For SPeed Underground

Need For Speed Underground 2

Need For Speed Most Wanted

Most Wanted(2012)

Need For Speed Pro Street

Ultimate Spider-man

amazing spider man 2

Rayman Legends

Deadpool

Primal Carnage

Trials Fusion

Cabela's African Adventures

GTA San Andreas

GTA IV

GTA V

Left 4 Dead

Left 4 Dead 2

escape dead island

Dead Island

Turok(2008)

Resident Evil 4

Resident Evil 5

Resident Evil 6

resident evil operation raccoon city

Resident Evil Revelations

Batman Arkham Origins

Epic Mickey

Scribblenauts Unmasked

Double Dragon Neon

Alone In The Dark

TMNT: Out of the Shadows

Duck Tales Remastered

Bro Force

Retro City Rampage

so tell me would that computer be able to run those games fine or do I need something else and if so what can I get for $400 or less?.

Edited December 8, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[cimerians]

What kind of video card is in it? Batman, RE6 , GTA V and maybe Dead Island are the only ones on your list when I glance at it that you may have to run on normal settings which most games these days do a good job of detecting what you have when its first installed. Everything else on your list will run fine possibly on high settings if those games offer it, especially all those indie games....you shouldn't have a problem.

 

If you are getting on board video expect problems. I would get that PC, disable the onboard video and buy a video card with it for about another 150 bucks.

[xenomorpher]

FYI, I bought a physical copy of Turok 2008 and it will not run correctly on my Windows 7 64bit system. It's playable, but the textures for a lot of the models are missing. A lot of people are having the same problem too and so far I couldn't find a fix. If you don't mind shooting at all black dinosaurs and soldiers without any details, have at it. Otherwise you might have to run Vista or XP virtually. You also might want to try and get a quad core CPU if you can. How much ram does it have? I would say bare minimum you should have is 4gb. The best bang for your buck I honestly think is building your own rig if you can. It's really not hard to do, just take your time and don't rush. You can get bundles at tigerdirect.com and newegg.com so you don't have to worry about compatibility problems.

Edited December 8, 2014 by xenomorpher

[TheObscureGamer]

Seems like the last one of that computer for that price has been brought(was only 1 left anyway) so I was wondering what is the BEST gaming pc i can buy that can play those games and similar for $400 and less?.And if anybody know if any of these good and if so,what is the best one I can get for less for $400 and less http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_nkw=gaming+desktop&_frs=1 .I appreciate ALL the help :thumbsup:

Edited December 8, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[TPA5]

For a sub-$400 rig, I would say look at something powered by an AMD processor. The gaming rig I built earlier this year is run by an AMD quad-core and it clips along at a snappy rate quite happily. Besides, these days it isn't as much about your CPU, though it is still important to have a good one, but it definitely rests more heavily on the graphics card.

 

For instance, here's a really (seriously) quick-and-dirty build for you:

 

MOBO: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130747 - $75

 

CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113379 - $90

 

RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231718 - $40

 

HD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=22-236-339 -$57

 

PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438016 - $50

 

GFX: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121852 - $140

 

CASE: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154095 - $35

If you want a "gamer" looking case for a few bucks more, try: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156296 - $45

TOTAL: $487 (Or $497 with the more expensive case)

 

So that comes in at a little more than $400. If you wanted to save some cash, you could opt for a less beefy graphics card, but if you want a chance of running GTA V you won't really want to. Even the card I listed might choke, depending on the resolution you want. Of course, if you live in the USA the prices for those items I listed will probably be less expensive. If you want a gaming PC that can run the games you listed, especially GTA V, you might have to go a little over $400. Now, if I had more time to look around I could get that cost down by finding sales and such, but this gives you an idea of what to expect.

 

 

Hope that helps!

Edited December 8, 2014 by TPA5

[TheObscureGamer]

For a sub-$400 rig, I would say look at something powered by an AMD processor. The gaming rig I built earlier this year is run by an AMD quad-core and it clips along at a snappy rate quite happily. Besides, these days it isn't as much about your CPU, though it is still important to have a good one, but it definitely rests more heavily on the graphics card.

 

For instance, here's a really (seriously) quick-and-dirty build for you:

 

MOBO: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130747 - $75

 

CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113379 - $90

 

RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231718 - $40

 

HD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=22-236-339 -$57

 

PSU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817438016 - $50

 

GFX: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121852 - $140

 

CASE: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811154095 - $35

If you want a "gamer" looking case for a few bucks more, try: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156296 - $45

TOTAL: $487 (Or $497 with the more expensive case)

 

So that comes in at a little more than $400. If you wanted to save some cash, you could opt for a less beefy graphics card, but if you want a chance of running GTA V you won't really want to. Even the card I listed might choke, depending on the resolution you want. Of course, if you live in the USA the prices for those items I listed will probably be less expensive. If you want a gaming PC that can run the games you listed, especially GTA V, you might have to go a little over $400. Now, if I had more time to look around I could get that cost down by finding sales and such, but this gives you an idea of what to expect.

 

 

Hope that helps!

I'm trying to get one for $400 or less(as right now mom has no job so money could go to more important things) but I will keep your build in mind when I'm on my own and will be allowed to spend that much on one .do you know what's the best PC I can get built or build for $400 or less?Much Appreciated

Edited December 9, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

Think that is going to be tough with such a strict budget. The problem is to reach anywhere close to that often people will cheap out on things like PSU or motherboard and that can really cost you more in the long run. You should Google "$400 gaming pc" and see what videos / articles pop up.....

 

For example:

 

http://youtu.be/VVC9XvTJoAE

 

Tons of similar videos:

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%24400+gaming+pc+2014

Edited December 9, 2014 by OldSchoolRetroGamer

[Reaperman]

Assuming $400 includes the OS (most build vids don't), and doesn't include display. An AMD A10 is about what you're looking at. Here's one. They're all over ebay, some have a little more ram, some a little more HD, but generally right around that deal. Personally, I'd hunt around for a couple days looking for 16gb. Check out some youtube a10 builds--they're solid little gamers, but some of your list wouldn't be running well. However the chip itself isn't bad as a CPU for pairing with a graphics card later and I believe AMD says they even crossfire with the onboard. Crossfire's got a reputation for not working great, but it's a nice option to have.

 

I also notice some fx-6300 builds in the range. That a10 does a fair job of keeping up with the fx line, and offers far, far better onboard graphics. The 6300 offers 2 extra cores and a more traditional upgrade path as it will start begging for a graphics card purchase pretty much from the start. That makes it a $500+ pc pretending it can fit into a $400 dress. Oh but what a $500 PC it would be...

 

I had a thread on selecting my own budget PC (here). I started in the $300-400 range, but realized that shooting for ~$500 gave a lot better upgrade path for the future. It's an older thread, and at the end of it I selected an ebay-built fx-4100 system (lowest am3+ chip), 16gb ram, 1tb hd, and an amd 6850 for a hair over $500. I'm still on the same PC (right now, actually), though the graphics are now from an amd 7950, the cpu is an fx-8320.

Edited December 9, 2014 by Reaperman

[Tickled_Pink]

The FX-6300 doesn't have built-in graphics. The system linked to by Reaper has the graphics built into the motherboard.

 

I was thinking myself that an A-series APU might be your best bet if you're on a tight budget. I'd ramp up the RAM to 8Gb, though, if you can stretch to that.

 

My old setup, a tri-core Athlon 440 and an NVIDIA graphics card several generations old would run everything except Black Ops II. Looking at the specs for GTA V, it doesn't need a bleeding edge machine. Most PC games can have their graphics settings adjusted so they'll run on a wide range of systems. GTA V will run on both a processor and graphics card several generations old.

 

So I'd definitely go for an A8 or A10 based system. Just make sure that you have a spare PCI-E slot so that if a game does come out that's heavy on the GPU, you can add a dedicated graphics card at a later date.

[TheObscureGamer]

Could any of you guys tell me if this build is any good or not?.http://pcpartpicker.com/p/X9gjvK heard it can run Battlefeild 4/Hardline, Watch Dogs, Titanfall, GTA 5, Minecraft, Dayz, Arma 2/3, all at ultra settings 1080p at 30fps

Edited December 9, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[Austin]

so I was wondering what is the BEST gaming pc i can buy that can play those games and similar for $400 and less?

 

None, because $400 won't get you a gaming PC. However, the hardware you originally linked to (with an i3 processor) should be good enough for the old games you listed. You will need to make sure you get a half-decent video card to put in it though for games like Resident Evil 6 ($100-ish card at least). Whatever stock onboard video card might be good enough for games like Need for Speed Underground. That's pretty old.

[TheObscureGamer]

 

None, because $400 won't get you a gaming PC. However, the hardware you originally linked to (with an i3 processor) should be good enough for the old games you listed. You will need to make sure you get a half-decent video card to put in it though for games like Resident Evil 6 ($100-ish card at least). Whatever stock onboard video card might be good enough for games like Need for Speed Underground. That's pretty old.

um this build here which is only 342.53 http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Triqkster/saved/pJZ2FT Can run Battlefield 4(which just came out last year) on MAX settings at around 45-50,Crysis 3 can run on high at 60-70 FPS and Bioshock Infinite can run the same at around 60-70 FPS so I'm pretty sure it can run Resident Evil 6 no problem.

 

 

P.S> I will most likely build this build and since I saved $90 what should I upgrade on it?.Thanks and again much appreciated ;thumbsup:

Edited December 9, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[TPA5]

um this build here which is only 342.53 http://pcpartpicker.com/user/Triqkster/saved/pJZ2FT Can run Battlefield 4(which just came out last year) on MAX settings at around 45-50,Crysis 3 can run on high at 60-70 FPS and Bioshock Infinite can run the same at around 60-70 FPS so I'm pretty sure it can run Resident Evil 6 no problem.

 

 

P.S> I will most likely build this build and since I saved $90 what should I upgrade on it?.Thanks and again much appreciated ;thumbsup:

 

Where are you getting those numbers from in terms of FPS? I must admit I am somewhat dubious to think that rig can run those games at max settings with those kind of numbers. What resolution is that at? I mean hey if it does that's great, go for it, but I just have a hard time imagining that rig pulling those kind of numbers.

[Rex Dart]

That actually doesn't look too bad. The video card's just a tad better than my GTX 650 Ti, so you should get just a bit better than what I'm getting on my old machine.

However, I wouldn't expect 60 FPS on Crysis, Bioshock, Battlefield 4 at maxed settings.

 

This video doesn't really show any gameplay performance, but you can see that performance hovers around 15-35 FPS.

[TheObscureGamer]

 

 

Where are you getting those numbers from in terms of FPS? I must admit I am somewhat dubious to think that rig can run those games at max settings with those kind of numbers. What resolution is that at? I mean hey if it does that's great, go for it, but I just have a hard time imagining that rig pulling those kind of numbers.

 

 

Here is a video of it in action(well more of what parts you need to build it):www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7uR0vNixR8 .My friend has this same gaming rig(he told me about it when I asked him what to buy) and when I went to his house to try it out it ran the games(and similar graphical games)in the above video at said FPS(35-40 FPS no max and 60-70 FPS on high)THe only one that didn't run as good was Metro Last Light which ran at 25-30 FPS on normal settings.

Edited December 9, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[Tickled_Pink]

This is my buyer's bible: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

 

What I tend to do is take a look at the recommended specs for a game and check it against the raw benchmarks. As it's often the case that recommended specs show up discontinued components, you can find it on this list and find a similarly specced product that's available now. You have to remember that speed-wise, not that much advancement has been made over the past few years. AMD and Intel have been fighting their turf war predominantly over die size and power consumption rather than speed - mainly because AMD have lost the speed war.

 

Things are also more complicated than they should be with GPUs. There's not a great deal of difference in speed between graphics cards 3 generations old and today's equivalents. Sure, the top end cards have got faster but pound for pound GPU power around the lower mid-range, which is what you need to be looking at, has barely changed.

[TheObscureGamer]

 

This is my buyer's bible: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/

 

What I tend to do is take a look at the recommended specs for a game and check it against the raw benchmarks. As it's often the case that recommended specs show up discontinued components, you can find it on this list and find a similarly specced product that's available now. You have to remember that speed-wise, not that much advancement has been made over the past few years. AMD and Intel have been fighting their turf war predominantly over die size and power consumption rather than speed - mainly because AMD have lost the speed war.

 

Things are also more complicated than they should be with GPUs. There's not a great deal of difference in speed between graphics cards 3 generations old and today's equivalents. Sure, the top end cards have got faster but pound for pound GPU power around the lower mid-range, which is what you need to be looking at, has barely changed.

 

Since you know a little about PC's could you tell me what I should swap out on this rig(last gaming PC build I posted above)/user/Triqkster/saved/pJZ2FT as I will have around $80-$90 extra from the original $400 spending limit I had.Should I replace the AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor CPU with an Intel Core i5-4460 or should I get a cheaper CPU and also replace something like the memory or storage card?.

Edited December 9, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[NoelleAmelie]

This is around the $490 range (not counting tax or rebates if applicable). http://pcpartpicker.com/user/SpeedySPCFan/saved/tMvNnQ

Someone else might be able to make this a bit better, but I think that's good.

[TheObscureGamer]

Also for Anybody dubious about the performance of the Build(I'm looking at you TPA5 ) here is it's FPS chart on said games on Ultra High Medium or Low:http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1127

Edited December 9, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[Rex Dart]

This is around the $490 range (not counting tax or rebates if applicable). http://pcpartpicker.com/user/SpeedySPCFan/saved/tMvNnQ

Someone else might be able to make this a bit better, but I think that's good.

I think you may have selected a laptop HDD; it is a bit slow.

[Tickled_Pink]

  

Since you know a little about PC's could you tell me what I should swap out on this rig(last gaming PC build I posted above)/user/Triqkster/saved/pJZ2FT as I will have around $80-$90 extra from the original $400 spending limit I had.Should I replace the AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor CPU with an Intel Core i5-4460 or should I get a cheaper CPU and also replace something like the memory or storage card?.

 

Personally I wouldn't bother. Yes, the i5 is quite a bit faster but the AMD is no slouch either.

 

Looking at the spec you've laid out, if you have the extra cash put it on an extra 4Gb memory. If you're serious about gaming and overclocking then you should consider something like the Corsair Vengeance RAM (not the Pro version, which I think are designed for Intel CPUs). If not then the budget RAM would do the job well enough.

 

I'll give you an idea of what you've picked out by comparing it to the recommended requirements for Crysis 3, which as someone has mentioned can be a bit hardware intensive.

 

Your Selection

AMD Athlon X4 760K (Benchmark on Passmark.com: 4582)

Radeon R7 265 (There's no benchmark on Passmark.com. Closest I can find is the 260, which benchmarks at 2790)

 

 

Crysis 3 Recommended

AMD Phenom II X4 810 (Benchmark: 3196)

GeForce GTX650 1Gb (Benchmark: 1837)

4Gb RAM

 

Crysis 3 Hi-Performance

AMD FX-4150 (Benchmark: 4628)

GeForce GTX680 (Benchmark: 5716)

8Gb RAM

 

 

As you can see, your selection will play Crysis 3 quite comfortably. Remember, we're talking about recommended specs - not minimum specs. You just won't be able to max out the graphics on it. What this shows you, though, is the importance of the GPU over the CPU. There's not that much of a difference between the CPU benchmarks in the two Crysis setups but there's a HUGE jump in performance required from the graphics card to be able to play it at max settings. Unfortunately there's not a lot you can do about that within your budget. But, like I say, the great thing about PCs is that you can upgrade whenever finances allow.

[TheObscureGamer]

 

Personally I wouldn't bother. Yes, the i5 is quite a bit faster but the AMD is no slouch either.

 

Looking at the spec you've laid out, if you have the extra cash put it on an extra 4Gb memory. If you're serious about gaming and overclocking then you should consider something like the Corsair Vengeance RAM (not the Pro version, which I think are designed for Intel CPUs). If not then the budget RAM would do the job well enough.

 

I'll give you an idea of what you've picked out by comparing it to the recommended requirements for Crysis 3, which as someone has mentioned can be a bit hardware intensive.

 

Your Selection

AMD Athlon X4 760K (Benchmark on Passmark.com: 4582)

Radeon R7 265 (There's no benchmark on Passmark.com. Closest I can find is the 260, which benchmarks at 2790)

 

 

Crysis 3 Recommended

AMD Phenom II X4 810 (Benchmark: 3196)

GeForce GTX650 1Gb (Benchmark: 1837)

4Gb RAM

 

Crysis 3 Hi-Performance

AMD FX-4150 (Benchmark: 4628)

GeForce GTX680 (Benchmark: 5716)

8Gb RAM

 

 

As you can see, your selection will play Crysis 3 quite comfortably. Remember, we're talking about recommended specs - not minimum specs. You just won't be able to max out the graphics on it. What this shows you, though, is the importance of the GPU over the CPU. There's not that much of a difference between the CPU benchmarks in the two Crysis setups but there's a HUGE jump in performance required from the graphics card to be able to play it at max settings. Unfortunately there's not a lot you can do about that within your budget. But, like I say, the great thing about PCs is that you can upgrade whenever finances allow.

Yep on high settings I could reach around 60-70 FPS and could play on MAX settings at around 35-40 FPS so that's still pretty good(right?).Yeah and I love the fact that you can upgrade PC's later.

Edited December 10, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[TPA5]

Also for Anybody dubious about the performance of the Build(I'm looking at you TPA5 ) here is it's FPS chart on said games on Ultra High Medium or Low:http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1127

 

Well, I stand corrected then I must admit. Anything above 30fps is playable, since consoles generally lock the framerate to 30 anyway.

Edited December 10, 2014 by TPA5

[TheObscureGamer]

 

Well, I stand corrected then I must admit. Anything above 30fps is playable, since consoles generally lock the framerate to 30 anyway.

No problem.I can understand where you are coming from as most don't think you can get a decent gaming PC for less than $400.I have also made some changes to that build.I'm changing the videocard to a Sapphire Radeon R9 280X Dual-X,the storage from a 500GB to 1TB and the CPU for a intel Core I5-4460(as if I do a little waiting,I can surely get one on Ebay loose for less than $150).Also why is this I5 so cheap compared to the others?.I know it's still better than the original AMD Athlon X4 760K the PC had but just wanted to know why and If I should snag it now(as it may gone really soon).

Edited December 10, 2014 by TheObscureGamer

[TheObscureGamer]

So guys,this is what I am going with.

 

This is the original build which is still quite impressive:

CPU:AMD Athlon X4 760K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor

Motherboard:ASRock FM2A75M Pro4 Micro ATX FM2 Motherboard

Memory:G.Skill Value 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory

Storage:Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Videocard:MSI Radeon R7 265 2GB Video Card

Case:Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case

Powersupply:EVGA 430W 80 Certified ATX Power Supply

this is the new build:

CPU:AMD FX-4300 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor

Motherboard:ASRock 880GM-LE FX

Memory:G.Skill Value 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600

Storage:Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Videocard:GIGABYTE Radeon HD 7970

Case:Rosewill FBM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case

Powersupply:EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply

And is a performance chart of it running games like Crysis 3 and such on ultra high and low: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1031 As you can see it can run Bioshock Infinite on MAX settings at 102.8 FPS,Crysis on HIGH settings gets around 63.7 FPS,Grid 2 on MAX 4X MSAA at 180.1 FPS,Metro Last Light on HIGH at 65 FPS.Whoever says you can’t build a good gaming PC for $400 is either spoiled with his 1K gaming PC or doesn't know how to shop around for parts.

Edited December 11, 2014 by TheObscureGamer