Tempest Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 7 hours ago, CPUWIZ said: Are you fucking kidding me? I knew you were involved but not to what degree or who else was involved. The 7800 wasn't my scene back then. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBreakout Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 21 hours ago, CPUWIZ said: What if, someone found this proto and actually tried to figured out how the code works, but can't and just decides to give it to someone else for RevEng (pun intended). Would you want that person to turn it into freeware, because I was in a coma for 3 years? What's not to figure out? Obviously this is a VR Helmet interface. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 9 hours ago, CaptainBreakout said: What's not to figure out? Obviously this is a VR Helmet interface. I see the 7800 BIOS has a ZIF socket on it so you can swap in other BIOS programs easily. Aside from that I see what looks like a Pi or Arduino like thing with another board strapped to the top of it that looks to use the same 8x8 LED matrix display that was used in the YM2017 Genesis cartridges as a VMU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 On 12/29/2019 at 5:17 AM, Shawn said: I have one other avenue of contact to try. I'll let everyone know if I hear anything. Your time is very much appreciated as has been your updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 5 hours ago, -^CrossBow^- said: I see the 7800 BIOS has a ZIF socket on it so you can swap in other BIOS programs easily. Aside from that I see what looks like a Pi or Arduino like thing with another board strapped to the top of it that looks to use the same 8x8 LED matrix display that was used in the YM2017 Genesis cartridges as a VMU? The BIOS adapter also has dip switches, so I can quickly switch between them. I currently have standard and 3 custom BIOS'es on the EPROM. One of them is written to flash (cart BIOS) MCP carts, or program (user area) them. The bottom board is a relay array, that controls every button of the 7800, the LED is infrared and controls my CRT, all of it runs via WiFi and is Alexa controlled. No Arduino or Pi involved. The 8x8 matrix is just for fun, because it fit perfectly, displays running dots, until connected to WiFi. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, CPUWIZ said: The bottom board is a relay array, that controls every button of the 7800, the LED is infrared and controls my CRT, all of it runs via WiFi and is Alexa controlled. No Arduino or Pi involved. The 8x8 matrix is just for fun, because it fit perfectly, displays running dots, until connected to WiFi. "Alexa, locate Willard's online and real-world presence". "Willard is unable to be found on Earth or even in this galaxy. Rian Johnson banished him to live the rest of his life as a cranky hermit on Ahch-to." "Alexa, release the Toki 7800 ROM online then". 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 9 hours ago, Lynxpro said: "Alexa, locate Willard's online and real-world presence". "Willard is unable to be found on Earth or even in this galaxy. Rian Johnson banished him to live the rest of his life as a cranky hermit on Ahch-to." "Alexa, release the Toki 7800 ROM online then". :-)) sore subject there. Came home after Xmas break to find we now have one of these damn devices in the living room.. I want to throw a blanket over it :-)) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2 hours ago, Lost Dragon said: :-)) sore subject there. Came home after Xmas break to find we now have one of these damn devices in the living room.. I want to throw a blanket over it :-)) Most devices already have the mics and cameras active. Why do you need another HAL 9000? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynxpro Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Lost Dragon said: :-)) sore subject there. Came home after Xmas break to find we now have one of these damn devices in the living room.. I want to throw a blanket over it :-)) How Edison Carter of you. Is Network 23 giving you a bad holiday break? May I suggest changing the channel to Big Time Television instead? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Lynxpro said: How Edison Carter of you. Is Network 23 giving you a bad holiday break? May I suggest changing the channel to Big Time Television instead? Max Headroom reference? Never into that, so the reference is a little lost on me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) Again - only interested in seein Toki for what the 7800 can do, but anyone else than the starter if the thread that ever had access to this program-file? — Afterthought, What would Atari loose in old-schooly-people still being interested and having fun with the 7800 console? Edited January 1, 2020 by Giles N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Where is the hard-drive now? (actually, not so much the hard-drive itself as the ‘TOKI’-files? — Still only interested in any of the TOKI-stuff, to see what the 7800 was/is capable of... (technically) Edited January 6, 2020 by Giles N Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Giles N said: Still only interested in any of the TOKI-stuff, to see what the 7800 was/is capable of... (technically) Although demonstrating what was at least possible, seeing one developer's take on TOKI does not definitively show what the 7800 was/is capable of technically. For example, the two baseball games on the 7800. Granted, neither are worth writing home about. Nonetheless, here is "RealSports Baseball". Below the pitching, infield, and outfield view is shown. ROM size is 64 KB: A one screen game that plays pretty lousy. Here is "Pete Rose Baseball". Below the pitching, infield, and outfield views are shown. ROM size is 32 KB: At half the ROM size of RealSports Baseball, not only does the game look much better, it plays better too. Developer abilities along with provided resources and situations (Which were often unfavorable for the 7800), factor heavily into the final game product. In the case of TOKI, it was not even a final product yet. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 hours ago, Trebor said: Although demonstrating what was at least possible, seeing one developer's take on TOKI does not definitively show what the 7800 was/is capable of technically. — In the case of TOKI, it was not even a final product yet. Have you tried the TOKI, uhm, demo or half-game? What I meant was, it would a platformer with several elements not so much represented on the 7800. I wouldn’t have a clue whether it ‘pushed’ the system or not... It just so happens to not be that many scrolling platformers on the system... — Anyway, I don’t really have any relation to the game as I’ve never played any version. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 On 12/22/2019 at 2:36 AM, Giles N said: I was more curious what the 7800 could pull off or something like that. ? On 1/1/2020 at 2:33 AM, Giles N said: Again - only interested in seein Toki for what the 7800 can do... ? 14 hours ago, Giles N said: Still only interested in any of the TOKI-stuff, to see what the 7800 was/is capable of... (technically) ? 4 hours ago, Giles N said: What I meant was, it would a platformer with several elements not so much represented on the 7800. ? Thanks for clarifying. Hopefully, Willard will make an appearance and/or respond so forward progress towards a release will come to fruition. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I need to do a review of this game. Even if the rom can't be released I can at least show how the game plays. What's the best emulator for the 7800 these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Trebor said: ? ? ? ? Thanks for clarifying. Hopefully, Willard will make an appearance and/or respond so forward progress towards a release will come to fruition. Yup, I should have used more precise words. Curious to see if/whether TOKI would do stuff not seen, or not used,in other games from official era (when Atari supported it). Does it have multidirectional scrolling in a platformer-environment? Parallaxes? Many or few sprites on m-screen? How many colours? What resolution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Trebor said: ? ? ? ? Thanks for clarifying. Hopefully, Willard will make an appearance and/or respond so forward progress towards a release will come to fruition. Anyway - if you are the Trebor of ‘Trebors Stuff’ on YouTube, I found this ... ...not the same as hands-on, but gives me an idea... ... it seems a bit awkard and stiff, with annoying BGM, but who knows what it should have been like, if completed and playtested properly...? Still, doesn’t seem to do anything in particular not done on other 7800 games... ... but besides later Homebrews, it would have provided another platform-game to the system... Edited January 6, 2020 by Giles N 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Defender_2600 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Giles N said: Still, doesn’t seem to do anything in particular not done on other 7800 games... Toki is a unique game in the 7800 library, it combines horizontal scrolling, vertical scrolling, some background tiles in 160B / 12 colors, large sprites, different end-of-level Bosses and more. It is also quite impressive considering that development time and resources have been rather limited. Edited January 7, 2020 by Defender_2600 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Defender_2600 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Giles N said: ... it seems a bit awkard and stiff, with annoying BGM, but who knows what it should have been like, if completed and playtested properly...? The game is incomplete so theoretically there is room for improvement but obviously, in current circumstances, a game update really doesn't interest us. Either way, you can satisfy your curiosity by taking a look at these old mockups: https://atariage.com/forums/topic/234406-toki-prototype-for-7800-discovered/?do=findComment&comment=3361679 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NostAlgae37 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) On 1/6/2020 at 9:04 PM, Defender_2600 said: The game is incomplete so theoretically there is room for improvement but obviously, in current circumstances, a game update really doesn't interest us. Either way, you can satisfy your curiosity by taking a look at these old mockups: https://atariage.com/forums/topic/234406-toki-prototype-for-7800-discovered/?do=findComment&comment=3361679 I almost feel that since the game was still in a state of development and not finished, why should we be content with the placeholder graphics that the prototype has? I doubt that most people would feel that the music that is present is at an acceptable standard for a cartridge release, so why not update the graphics also and make the cart release something really worth acquiring (rather than just a historical curiosity)? And for all these reasons, I would prefer a released version to have completely updated sprites and backgrounds done by you, provided that you have the time for and interest in such a project. Edited January 10, 2020 by NostAlgae37 left out a word 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 IIRC this was a late beta, so I doubt it would have changed too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/6/2020 at 9:01 PM, Defender_2600 said: Toki is a unique game in the 7800 library, it combines horizontal scrolling, vertical scrolling, some background tiles in 160B / 12 colors, large sprites, different end-of-level Bosses and more. It is also quite impressive considering that development time and resources have been rather limited. I'm amazed the whole game is there from start to finish with everything you mentioned while still staying within 128k and no extra ram. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 The NTSC version needs more space (extra work and code needed), so it is 144K. I am sure RevEng is just as disappointed as me and others, but we are not releasing it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, CPUWIZ said: The NTSC version needs more space (extra work and code needed), so it is 144K. I am sure RevEng is just as disappointed as me and others, but we are not releasing it. Besides the lost work of programmers and investment, I doesn't bother me much. Between the nice Arcade graphics and the NES version and Genesis remake with extra levels, I get a pretty good fill of Toki. 7800 version would be cool, but not nearly as bad a missing out on an original game never played before that hits a brick wall. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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