Porkchops & Applesauce Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Logic analyzer as a viable alternative for Atari 8-bit floppy preservation? While looking into the Kryoflux and SuperCard Pro I stumbled upon this page, "Preserving a floppy disk with a logic analyzer and a serial cable". Could the 810/1050 drives be used for preservation using this method? How easy/hard do you think it would be to hook everything up to a logic analyzer, or just using an old PC drive instead? Has anyone here tried this method? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Porkchops & Applesauce said: @ijor Oh man, where to begin? I actually worked for a couple duplication companies in Silicon Valley during the early 90's. Major clients then are still big today; Microsoft, Apple and Adobe just to name a few. Most of the software where I worked saw business applications or firmware updates (how it was done pre-internet), but there were a few game companies like Activision, at the time Mediagenic. Thanks a lot . Mostly out of curiosity, do you know/remember which kind of duplicating equipment they used? I understand that Trace Mountain was the most common industrial duplicators at that period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ijor Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Porkchops & Applesauce said: Logic analyzer as a viable alternative for Atari 8-bit floppy preservation? While looking into the Kryoflux and SuperCard Pro I stumbled upon this page, "Preserving a floppy disk with a logic analyzer and a serial cable". Could the 810/1050 drives be used for preservation using this method? How easy/hard do you think it would be to hook everything up to a logic analyzer, or just using an old PC drive instead? Has anyone here tried this method? I didn't try myself, but I don't see why this wouldn't work. Using a PC drive should be straightforward. It is certainly possible to connect to a 1050 (or 810) Atari drive, but has some issues. In first place you don't have the index pulse, which is, at least, important. In second place, you need to compensate for the different rotation speed, but this is not big deal. Last but not least, these Atari drives don't use the simple step motor control that more modern drives have. You need 4 pins/wires to control the 4 phases step motor. Note that a good logic analyzer, like the one Christian used in that article, is not much cheaper (if at all) than a SuperCard Pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkchops & Applesauce Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 @ijor I'm sorry, I can't remember which duplication equipment was used, but know there were at least three different brands/models. I'm fairly certain Trace Mountain was one of them, as it sounds very familiar. I do however remember having Zebra industrial thermal transfer printers for the labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 11:43 AM, BigBen said: The discs are from the luckybuck (Roland). Both are the same versions, as currently in the torrent. In both cases the two last sectors differ (719 is used for copy protection, 720 I dunno). And SynTrend is a bad dump with three more sectors differing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilheim Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 On 10/28/2019 at 1:19 PM, manterola said: That is interesting... I never saw that game as a stand alone game before. It is correct that this pong game (can be used for 1 player, or fronton, or 2 players more like classic pong) was used as a way to entertain you while waiting for another game to load. This was very innovative at the time in Chile and it actually made the waiting less tedious. The cassette loader also included error recovery so you don't need to start over if an error occurred, you just needed to rewing the tape few seconds. Cassettes with this loading system and games were sold in retails stores in Chile probably end of 80s or beginning of the 90s, which were quite popular. As far as I know, a group of chilean Atarians met with the creator and reproduced/recover the sources and compiled a binary, so now you can create your own tapes with games using the system. What is great now is that I'll be able to play this point game without the need of a tape recorder. Great job! Hi! I was one of the team who restored the Turbo Tenis from Chile. It took a very long time to restore the source, as we started with a printed source that it was very buggy. Also, the tape creator make heavy changes on the OS tape routine, such as: - Change the initial IRG from 20 to 15 seconds. - Changes in the short IRGs length from 250 to 100 miliseconds. - Added an ID block number so the error recovery routine can identify the resuming. - Added FSK signals so it can't be copied with standard programs. Our goal was to reproduce the "look and feel" from that time, as if you were loading an original tape from Turbo software. The FSK signals recording were reproduced, as well as all the timings. We also added some features, such as: - PAL compatibility in the recording and playing process (believe me, the original tapes doesn't work on PAL machines, specially because the FSK signals). - Created a new version which makes the tape at 800 bps. We realized that the OS support natively that speed. I hope I contribute a little about it. Regards! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdark Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 The official turbo software documents can be found in an article that I created on the next page. https://dogdarka8.blogspot.com/2018/06/copiador-turbo-software.html. The work took almost 4 years to finish it to make it available to all users on the web thanks to the gentile of Wilheim codigos_finales.atr copiador_turbo_software.atr Turbo_Software_mas_codigos.atr turbo_software_stac.atr 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Add for post #1713: On page 73 ff in the manual of SynGraph we find a program, which could be understood as a very first PowerPoint version, while presenting pre-created graphics in a slide show. Have fun. PowerPoint with SynGraph-DOS 2.5 MD.atr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devwebcl Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 With the help of lbaeza and ascrnet we a the dump of The Casebook of Hemlock Soames #3 http://manillismo.blogspot.com/2019/12/the-casebook-of-hemlock-soames-3.html CasebookofHemlockSoames3.atr 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.atarimania.com Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Thanks! However, are you sure the disk is supposed to be ED? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devwebcl Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 On 12/7/2019 at 9:28 PM, www.atarimania.com said: Thanks! However, are you sure the disk is supposed to be ED? Yes, that's right. We are going to dump it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarxx Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Happy New Year! Dump of a collection of disks from eBay of mostly utilities, which looks like it may contain some rares/missing. Some might be PD due to content/no protection but not sure so included scans. 130 X.E. Disk Copier was the on the B side of RAM-DOS XL Smarty was the on the B side of GamesPac 7 - 8 Bit Arcade Collection 7 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Cdj3oSciabpmilLkQIbcfdjVEnZ37ovy/view?usp=sharing Previous Collections https://drive.google.com/file/d/111QioYca414ZbD64bQ88WhcMawlxD9iS/view?usp=sharing 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 WOW! Thank you soooo much Zarxx, what a start in the new decade! :-))) RAM-DOS XL ? Do you have more info on that? Wish you a great jump into the new decade! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarxx Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, luckybuck said: RAM-DOS XL ? Do you have more info on that? Sorry, no. Just the disk itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Ah, was wondering, because DOS XL is from OSS, therefore, I should have known. But that does not mean, that surprises are out there, I don't know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddtmw Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Well I found a reference here: https://archive.org/stream/analog-computing-magazine-45/Analog_Computing_45_1986-08_Language_Issue_djvu.txt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Thank you! These are add ons from ANALOG, so no official OSS stuff. Anyway, very interesting! Will take a deeper look into, when time in the new year. Thank you and have a good jump! ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.atarimania.com Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Thanks, that was very useful. I believe there are a number of old utilities from the UK by SuperSoft or Stocksoft that were never archived! Still hoping some early commercial British games written in BASIC will appear on these disks, even in cracked form, but nothing yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tane Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Hechos Increibles (Incredible Facts) - Modulo 1.xex Hechos Increibles (Incredible Facts) - Modulo 2.xex Juegos Didacticos (Didactical Games).rar Max y el Alfabeto (Max and the Alphabet).xex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Mega link updated: https://mega.nz/#F!w503waRI!MsrmN9yWJ4LIgMZ4pZGNlw 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Kline Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Direct link https:// updated: https://atari-owner.com/fun/atari-preserved-software/Atari8bitPreservedSoftware2020-01-25.zip --Tim 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) Thank you sooo much Timothy, greatly appreciated! ? Just took a look inside the archive and missed: Atari BASIC Version B: https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Atari BASIC#section-Atari+BASIC-CARImages OSS BASIC XE - BASIC XE Extension Disk: https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Basic XE#section-Basic+XE-ATRImage OSS BASIC XL Toolkit: 2 sides!: https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Basic XL#section-Basic+XL-ATRImages OSS MAC/65 1.0, 1.02 and so on, further the ATRs: https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Mac65#section-Mac65-ROMImages EDIT 6502 CAR and ATR : sadly, AtariWiki hasn't got a go from Ken L. from LJK Enterprises, Inc. Microsoft BASIC II (1982)(Atari)(US)[cartridge]: here the additional disk is missing Missile Command (1981)(Atari)(US)[cartridge].zip: here the version for the XEGS(?) is missing, which supports the trackball Strip Poker (1983)(Artworx)(US)[disk]: the Data Disks are missing? OMG what a miss... please see the attachment, when > 18 Turbo-DOS XL-XE v2.1 (1992)(KE-Soft)(DE)[disk]: Version 2.0 ? TURBO-BASIC XL? Genuine type-in from the magazine? 2,538 titles!!!!!!!! OMG what a work!!!!!! SP.7z Edited January 27, 2020 by luckybuck 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Whooa, that's a lot of strip poker, your hands must be like leather!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 That's why the walkthrough pdf file took years in the making... real hard work... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CharlieChaplin Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Still searching for that converter program (which I once had) that converted Strip Poker pictures into standard 62-sector (Micropainter format) pictures... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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