_The Doctor__ Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I am interested how that turns out as the specs show it as not doing 480i 480p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panther Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Since most screens are at least 1080p these days and you really don't want the monitor handling the upscaling, that seems reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 Since most screens are at least 1080p these days and you really don't want the monitor handling the upscaling, that seems reasonable. Here's my preliminary report on the AV/SV to HDMI 4K Scaler (LINK) that I just got the other day. So far it looks better than the EtekCity converter that I have, and works especially well with the new UAV upgrade being produced by Bryan using the UAV's S-Video outputs. I forgot to bring my camera to my shop, so unfortunately no comparison pics yet (hopefully tomorrow). I don't have a 4K HDMI monitor so those modes do not work but the 720P and 1080P work great, although I don't see any difference between them. The Zoom feature does work, but only slightly with no major change. Since the picture gets automatically stretched to fill the screen, probably only a HDTV with the ability to force 4:3 mode would change that. I don't notice any delay imposed by the video processing, but I also don't play many games. Overall I think this S-Video to HDMI adapter is very capable for the price. It appears that the best price (with FREE shipping) would be from TomTop's Ebay Store, which has now gone up to $42 and change. Here's a Ebay search link for this item: LINK (make sure to get the one that includes S-Video in the title, since there are some cheaper but almost identical ones that only have composite inputs). - Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gargoyle Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) I am also looking for a Video conversion solution and found these two converters anybody try them already? Reviews on both seem positive: KanexPro HDCVRYW ($64, converts to 720p, with sound): http://www.kanexpro.com/item/?id=HDCVRYW, https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/816204-REG/KanexPro_HDCVRYW_Composite_or_S_Video_with.html KanexPro CON-AV-HD4K ($99, converts up to 4K, no sound): http://www.kanexpro.com/item/?id=CON-AV-HD4K, https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1208856-REG/kanexpro_con_av_hd4k_composite_s_video_to_4k_hdmi.html Edited October 29, 2016 by gargoyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikrananka Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) I am also looking for a Video conversion solution and found these two converters anybody try them already? Reviews on both seem positive: KanexPro HDCVRYW ($64, converts to 720p, with sound): http://www.kanexpro.com/item/?id=HDCVRYW, https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/816204-REG/KanexPro_HDCVRYW_Composite_or_S_Video_with.html KanexPro CON-AV-HD4K ($99, converts up to 4K, no sound): http://www.kanexpro.com/item/?id=CON-AV-HD4K, https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1208856-REG/kanexpro_con_av_hd4k_composite_s_video_to_4k_hdmi.html I'm interested also. I'd love to know if they do scanline doubling which is what I'm looking for. Edited October 29, 2016 by Ikrananka Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernie Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Has anyone tried to use s-video to VGA converters and use that port on their TV or a computer monitor? https://www.amazon.com/SLLEA-Composite-S-Video-Converter-Monitor/dp/B0144DEN7Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1488494731&sr=8-2&keywords=vcr+s-video+input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 Has anyone tried to use s-video to VGA converters and use that port on their TV or a computer monitor? https://www.amazon.com/SLLEA-Composite-S-Video-Converter-Monitor/dp/B0144DEN7Y/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1488494731&sr=8-2&keywords=vcr+s-video+input Yes - most do not work well at all at de-interlacing properly. Some introduce a slight delay which make playing the "twitch" games a bit more difficult. There is one advantage to them. The prevent flicker in the interlaced graphics modes, so are great for viewing stills, pretty good for word processing, and barely acceptable for gaming. All IMHO of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thgill Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 If VGA is good enough, you guys should check out the Micomsoft XRGB-2 up scan converter. They usually sell for around $150-ish used. They are excellent with RGB, composite and svideo. It does proper scan doubling and has builtin scanlines. I use mine with my 8bit Commodore and Atari machines along with Amiga, ST and consoles. While I usually use RGB from the newer stuff, I do have my C64 and Atari 8 bits hooked up via S-video and I get a fantastic picture on either older CRT pc monitors or LCD screens. Works great with 60 and 50hz too! I posted a video of the device in action recently on Youtube: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujidude Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 If VGA is good enough, you guys should check out the Micomsoft XRGB-2 up scan converter. They usually sell for around $150-ish used. They are excellent with RGB, composite and svideo. It does proper scan doubling and has builtin scanlines. I use mine with my 8bit Commodore and Atari machines along with Amiga, ST and consoles. While I usually use RGB from the newer stuff, I do have my C64 and Atari 8 bits hooked up via S-video and I get a fantastic picture on either older CRT pc monitors or LCD screens. Works great with 60 and 50hz too! I posted a video of the device in action recently on Youtube: Sounds like a good device... but $150 (for a used one) is inexpensive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thgill Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 Whilst I would agree that it might be a bit of a stretch calling it inexpensive, it's totally worth it considering the video quality it puts out. Most of those cheap-o composite/svideo to HDMI adapter are total trash with terrible image quality and many have a locked 60Hz output regardless of input which kills smooth scrolling with PAL hardware. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernie Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Whilst I would agree that it might be a bit of a stretch calling it inexpensive, it's totally worth it considering the video quality it puts out. Most of those cheap-o composite/svideo to HDMI adapter are total trash with terrible image quality and many have a locked 60Hz output regardless of input which kills smooth scrolling with PAL hardware. Looks great, but I'd love a cheaper solution. Are there any modern computer monitors that simply take SVID or composite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Looks great, but I'd love a cheaper solution. Are there any modern computer monitors that simply take SVID or composite? Pretty much no to the monitor question, but you can find a small LED TV that will go up to at least 1920 X 1080 and have various inputs -- HDMI, Component, and Composite (using one of the Component jacks). I use a 22" Upstar from Amazon for my PC and also to display my Atari (video capture). Works great. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozar Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I like the Dell FP2007 LCD monitors. Composite, S-Video, VGA, and DVI. Plus, they're 4:3 monitors. With Bryan's UAV mod, the display looks phenomenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Link says no longer available and suggested replacement shows HDMI +VGA + Display Port (4K?). Maybe the "2007" in the model number tells the story? -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brentarian Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 (edited) Yes, the FP2007 model was made in 2007, but they are good monitors. Svideo is still available on some new surveillance monitors. B&H has a few models available: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?atclk=Interface_S-Video&ci=7225&N=3880127434+4288598148#so and they will do NTSC and PAL. Edited March 12, 2017 by Brentarian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozar Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Link says no longer available and suggested replacement shows HDMI +VGA + Display Port (4K?). Maybe the "2007" in the model number tells the story? -Larry Yeah, you would have to look at eBay for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACML Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 Here's my preliminary report on the AV/SV to HDMI 4K Scaler (LINK) that I just got the other day. So far it looks better than the EtekCity converter that I have, and works especially well with the new UAV upgrade being produced by Bryan using the UAV's S-Video outputs. I forgot to bring my camera to my shop, so unfortunately no comparison pics yet (hopefully tomorrow). I don't have a 4K HDMI monitor so those modes do not work but the 720P and 1080P work great, although I don't see any difference between them. The Zoom feature does work, but only slightly with no major change. Since the picture gets automatically stretched to fill the screen, probably only a HDTV with the ability to force 4:3 mode would change that. I don't notice any delay imposed by the video processing, but I also don't play many games. Overall I think this S-Video to HDMI adapter is very capable for the price. It appears that the best price (with FREE shipping) would be from TomTop's Ebay Store, which has now gone up to $42 and change. Here's a Ebay search link for this item: LINK (make sure to get the one that includes S-Video in the title, since there are some cheaper but almost identical ones that only have composite inputs). - Michael Any chance you could post a comparison of the 4K scaler and the EtekCity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACML Posted June 17, 2017 Author Share Posted June 17, 2017 (edited) I thought I was ordering the same unit that mytekcontrols tested earlier in this thread, but I ended up buying a similar, but different unit. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00V2ULHBS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I compared it to the etekcity unit I reviewed earlier and I didn't see too much difference. Actually if anything, I think this new Tendak unit may over brighten a bit. The white characters in BASIC are nice and solid, but the etekcity was as well. When I tried Defender, this Tendak washed out some of the subtle colors of the spaceship (too bright). I think I still like the etekcity one better as it also has an option for an HDMI input as well. That gives it the ability to be a switch box as well if you don't want to keep reattaching the cables if you only have one HDMI port on your TV available. One feature the Tendak has that I liked was the fact that it also output 3.5mm audio in case you were hooking it up to a monitor that had no audio and you could use your 3.5mm jack external speakers without a conversion cable. That is nice, but not a big deal as the etekcity unit could do the same by just using a 2 RCA to 3.5MM converter to do the same. Edited June 17, 2017 by ACML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACML Posted June 28, 2017 Author Share Posted June 28, 2017 (edited) UPDATE: I went and ordered the 4K upscaler that mytekcontrols previously reviewed. I paid $36 delivered from China. I tested it out this morning and I had three significant findings. 1) This unit has very sharp and bright 40 column text. Better probably than the Etekcity unit I reviewed in the initial post of this thread. However, it was at a cost. 2) This unit appears to me to be over driven which might explain why it makes 40 column text look sharper. The classic Atari blue background is noticeably lighter blue than the raw S-video (Y/C) source. When I played Defender, the spacecraft should have a pink and subtle violet tone, but this unit is so bright, the whole spacecraft displayed almost all white. 3) This brightness may make 40 column text look very sharp, but in 80 column (i.e. Omniview) the contrast between the text and background makes the readability in 80 column mode suffer. Raw S-video (Y/C) and the Etekcity video are significantly more readable in Omniview 80 column mode. This unwanted feature to me is a non-starter. If you plan to use 80 column Omniview mode or will miss seeing subtle light color hues, this unit is not for you. My personal recommendation remains the "Etekcity like" unit. I say "like" because I think the Etekcity brand no longer sells this unit, but other brands of this model are still available. It has the best all around performance and has the nice feature of a HDMI input so it can be a switch box if you only have one HDMI port available on your TV. Below is a picture of a currently available model that is the same as the Etekcity unit I recommend. http://www.ebay.com/itm/111979725387 Edited June 28, 2017 by ACML 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Yes I did notice what you mentioned, but depending upon your HDTV it can be adjusted for in the picture settings (but not all TV's allow this). So I guess it comes down to what you will be using this for, as in what do you normally do on your A8. I found it worked very well for The Last Word's 80 column mode, better than anything else I have available for displaying the Atari's video (and believe me when I say I have a lot of choices in monitors ). Sorry it didn't work for your needs - Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujidude Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Over-driven is over-driven. Well made and engineered devices should put out signals which are in specification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Over-driven is over-driven. Well made and engineered devices should put out signals which are in specification. Good point, but it is what it is I'm afraid. And for $36 it does quite well. Also keep in mind 'well engineered' costs $$$, but if you don't mind spending it there are some very good, albeit very expensive solutions to bridge your A8 to HDMI. However if Simius's latest prototype makes it into production, maybe not quite so expensive after all. - Michael 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACML Posted July 5, 2017 Author Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) I had the time to take some photo's of the UltraHD 4K upscaler and the Etekcity verses raw S-video. I compared text in 40 and 80 column plus a screen shot of Defender. The UltraHD 4K has a significantly lighter blue background. The wavy lines aren't really there. It's just my camera picking up glare off screen. The wavy lines aren't really there. It's just my camera picking up glare off screen. Both units do a good job on 80 column, but the contrast on the UltraHD 4K is greater and it caused the text to be black instead of navy. Raw S-video UltraHD 4K Upscaler : Very bright and washes out light subtle colors. Spacecraft really looks all white (no soft pink or violet). Etekcity S-video to HDMI: Photo shows lighter color, but it looks better than photo. Not as washed out as the 4K. You can still make out the pink and violet colors of the spacecraft. For some reason the camera is over brightening the colors. Edited July 5, 2017 by ACML 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faicuai Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) Here's the real McCoy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DVDO-IScan-HD-Video-Processor-High-Resolution-Video-Scaling-Engine-/282557327452?hash=item41c9baa85c:g:-1YAAOSw1BlZW~-c Motion and source adaptive video deinterlacing for NTSC (3:2 and 2:2 pulldown; video) and PAL/SECAM (2:2 pulldown; video) sources Precision Video Scaling™ technology by Anchor Bay Technologies User defined output video resolution from 480p up to 1080p Flexible Input and Output Aspect Ratio Control Display Profiles - For multiple display configurations Rightrate™ - High-performance Framerate Conversion AutoVFR™ - Intelligent Component video inputs with Automatic Video Format Routing Advanced Source Transition Management provides seamless transitions between source types AutoCUE-C™ – Automatic Chroma Upsampling Error detection and correction 12 bit video digital-to-analog converters (DACs) Full-frame Timebase Correction High performance, 10-bit multi-standard video decoder High-quality super-adaptive comb filter with 2D Y/C separation Flexible Digital Audio switching and routing - four audio inputs and two audio outputs Precision AV LipSync™ intelligent digital Audio Delay technology to match Audio & Video timing The rest are just half-finished solutions. Cheers! Edited July 5, 2017 by Faicuai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mytek Posted July 5, 2017 Share Posted July 5, 2017 (edited) I had the time to take some photo's of the UltraHD 4K upscaler and the Etekcity verses raw S-video. I compared text in 40 and 80 column plus a screen shot of Defender. DSC03875.JPGDSC03875.JPG DSC03852.JPGDSC03862.JPGDSC03867.JPG The UltraHD 4K has a significantly lighter blue background. DSC03855.JPGDSC03864.JPGDSC03870.JPG The wavy lines aren't really there. It's just my camera picking up glare off screen. DSC03874.JPGDSC03865.JPGDSC03868.JPG The wavy lines aren't really there. It's just my camera picking up glare off screen. Both units do a good job on 80 column, but the contrast on the UltraHD 4K is greater and it caused the text to be black instead of navy. DSC03858.JPG Raw S-video DSC03860.JPG UltraHD 4K Upscaler : Very bright and washes out light subtle colors. Spacecraft really looks all white (no soft pink or violet). DSC03872.JPG Etekcity S-video to HDMI: Photo shows lighter color, but it looks better than photo. Not as washed out as the 4K. You can still make out the pink and violet colors of the spacecraft. For some reason the camera is over brightening the colors. I think some of this can be chalked up to different monitors, because although I do agree with you that the 4K box does overdrive the video, none the less I can still get better results than what you've shown by using my Element monitor. But if I route the signal directly into a good quality S-video monitor, I agree the colors do look better and not as washed out. I'm using Bryan's UAV as my source, what are you using? One thing that I just discovered today about the 4K box is that it'll work with either PAL or NTSC, not sure if the EtekCity also does PAL (never tried it). Here's the real McCoy: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DVDO-IScan-HD-Video-Processor-High-Resolution-Video-Scaling-Engine-/282557327452?hash=item41c9baa85c:g:-1YAAOSw1BlZW~-c Motion and source adaptive video deinterlacing for NTSC (3:2 and 2:2 pulldown; video) and PAL/SECAM (2:2 pulldown; video) sources Precision Video Scaling™ technology by Anchor Bay Technologies User defined output video resolution from 480p up to 1080p Flexible Input and Output Aspect Ratio Control Display Profiles - For multiple display configurations Rightrate™ - High-performance Framerate Conversion AutoVFR™ - Intelligent Component video inputs with Automatic Video Format Routing Advanced Source Transition Management provides seamless transitions between source types AutoCUE-C™ – Automatic Chroma Upsampling Error detection and correction 12 bit video digital-to-analog converters (DACs) Full-frame Timebase Correction High performance, 10-bit multi-standard video decoder High-quality super-adaptive comb filter with 2D Y/C separation Flexible Digital Audio switching and routing - four audio inputs and two audio outputs Precision AV LipSync™ intelligent digital Audio Delay technology to match Audio & Video timing The rest are just half-finished solutions. Cheers! That's a nice looking converter - Michael Edited July 5, 2017 by mytekcontrols Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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