Ignorama Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 Contacted when? Its begins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freewheel Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 I did not know this. Hmm... I am disappointed now that I paid for the game. I thought it was like other "unreleased" games released after, where they fixed them up to make them functional and tested them before release. So now I have a useless cartridge. Dear lord, at least Desert Bus is actually playable! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari5200dude82 Posted April 6, 2015 Share Posted April 6, 2015 (edited) Am I seeing double or did you quote your own message within your own message. Back on topic: I have a theory what might be happening w/ the cartridge. I've emailed 5-11under to see if I can help suss things out, if it's hardware related. A certain lad, or I should say, Mattel LAD may explain the difference in behavior between Intellivision 1 and 2 systems. LOL, Yes you are seeing double. When i posted this , I did it on my mobile phone.Ran into complications. . Thats good news Intv nut. . That will be Intresting to find out the differences between the 2 systems. I may post a video for Game factory a little later. as a test. I never done videos before.But would like to start doing them. Edited April 6, 2015 by atari5200dude82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m-crew Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Received today thx Rev.... no filthy custom hands on this package. .. Going to see if I have a chance to try it on my inty II sometime this week... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Dear lord, at least Desert Bus is actually playable! In this case, I think we stumbled onto a subtle hardware difference between the Intellivision 1 and 2 that has nothing to do with the copyright lockout on the Inty 2. As I mentioned upthread I've contacted 5-11under with my best theories as to what might be happening, and have offered my assistance. I'm sure we'll figure it out. Edited April 8, 2015 by intvnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I received mine today. Will test it later on NTSC and PAL Intellivision 1 and NTSC Intellivision 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) So, after some extensive tests I can present the following: Inty 2 / grey ECS: works Inty 2 / brown ECS: works Inty NTSC 2609 / grey ECS: works (after 2 resets it worked perfectly) Inty NTSC 2609 / brown ECS: doesn't work Inty PAL 5370 / grey ECS: doesn't work Edited April 8, 2015 by Intymike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Inty PAL 5370 / brown ECS: doesn't work - even the menus doesn't work my test subjects... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intvsteve Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Interesting that one of your NTSC console setups worked. How consistent is that behavior? And is it unique to that combination of hardware? Did you try the various editor menus as well with that setup? Now of course there's another wrinkle that shouldn't make a difference: Intellivoice! Has anyone tried putting one of those in the chain, too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intvsteve Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Oh, and by the way -- great work, Intymike! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Thanks! I will be receiving physical carts with changes to be tested. I need to get a Pal console! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 (edited) Interesting that one of your NTSC console setups worked. How consistent is that behavior? And is it unique to that combination of hardware? Did you try the various editor menus as well with that setup? Now of course there's another wrinkle that shouldn't make a difference: Intellivoice! Has anyone tried putting one of those in the chain, too? I made a video that shows the Inty 1. I made serval resets and it worked perfectly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxY7q26FkNQ&feature=youtu.be Edited April 8, 2015 by Intymike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Thanks! I will be receiving physical carts with changes to be tested. I need to get a Pal console! Thanks. The graphics on the PAL console is a absolute mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari5200dude82 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Very nice job Intv mike. Extensive Testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Unfortunately, the resets to get the default game to work will also blow away any edits you'be made to the game (unless you restore from tape drive each time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+intvsteve Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I seem to recall that the "Special Effects" screen crashes (didn't see you visit that one), and Game Screen > Work on Screen showed garbage. Tonight I'll try resetting a few times to see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy62 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Thank you Mike, I am happy to hear this! My friend has mine, looking forward to testing it. Wolfy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 For the record, I don't expect PAL vs. NTSC to affect the glitch, if my theory on the cause is correct. I also suppose some NTSC machines will work; it would depend on device tolerances. I guess we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 For the record, I don't expect PAL vs. NTSC to affect the glitch, if my theory on the cause is correct. I also suppose some NTSC machines will work; it would depend on device tolerances. I guess we'll see. Thanks for your assistance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 I made a video that shows the Inty 1. I made serval resets and it worked perfectly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxY7q26FkNQ&feature=youtu.be Yay! I'll try to play with it this week-end. I just need to get my ECS out of its crate (all my stuff is still packed from my move two years ago, still waiting until that glorious day when we buy a house). The housing market is brutal here in Cary, NC!!!). Thanks for the tests! -dZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 In this case, I think we stumbled onto a subtle hardware difference between the Intellivision 1 and 2 that has nothing to do with the copyright lockout on the Inty 2. As I mentioned upthread I've contacted 5-11under with my best theories as to what might be happening, and have offered my assistance. I'm sure we'll figure it out. Interesting. I wonder if Mattel knew about these differences? I thought Game Factory was the last game to have gone through QA, but I might be mistaken about that. Maybe it was just the last game finished (but not through QA)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 (edited) Interesting. I wonder if Mattel knew about these differences? I thought Game Factory was the last game to have gone through QA, but I might be mistaken about that. Maybe it was just the last game finished (but not through QA)? This isn't an issue with Game Factory, but rather specific to the cartridge board design, specifically with the RAM support on the board. Game Factory runs fine with a CC3 or LTO Flash! in an Intellivision 1 for example. The Intellivision 1 skews its bus control lines more than the Intellivision 2, and I think that may be the root cause. Old school slow logic isn't as affected by skew as modern, super fast logic. Edited April 9, 2015 by intvnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This isn't an issue with Game Factory, but rather specific to the cartridge board design, specifically with the RAM support on the board. Game Factory runs fine with a CC3 or LTO Flash! in an Intellivision 1 for example. The Intellivision 1 skews its bus control lines more than the Intellivision 2, and I think that may be the root cause. Old school slow logic isn't as affected by skew as modern, super fast logic. Huh, you learn something new every day. Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tales from the Game Room Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 How does one get a copy of "Game Factory" for Intellivision ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 How does one get a copy of "Game Factory" for Intellivision ??? Temporarily unavailable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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