gozar Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Does anyone remember which issue of Analog had a program that let you do windows in basic using a graphics 0 screen and the graphic characters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Is this the one you're thinking of? http://analog.katorlegaz.com/analog_1986-11_120dpi_jpeg_cropped/analog_1986-11_015.html#bottomhalf Analog Computing 48 1986-11 Cosmic Glob.atr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 In case nobody remembers, we had here in Germany a similar article ("W:"-Handler): http://www.strotmann.de/~cas/Infothek/HcSpecEditionOne/HCsonder1ocr.pdf Page 103 If you need the code, I could dig for the disk. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) There was also the "T:" handler, which came out on APX: T: A Text Display Device Which later became "Screens": Screens Disk 1 Screens Disk 2 It doesn't use Graphics 0, but rather Graphic 8. Pretty neat utility, but alas it doesn't work with TBXL. I'm not sure what other BASIC's it might be compatible with, but it is designed for use in Atari BASIC. Edited April 10, 2015 by MrFish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Allan Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 There was also the "T:" handler, which came out on APX: T: A Text Display Device Which later became "Screens": Screens Disk 1 Screens Disk 2 It doesn't use Graphics 0, but rather Graphic 8. Pretty neat utility, but alas it doesn't work with TBXL. I'm not sure what other BASIC's it might be compatible with, but it is designed for use in Atari BASIC. The manual for the APX program is here: http://www.atarimania.com/utility-atari-400-800-xl-xe-t-a-text-display-device_29633.html I think it only works with the 800 OS, not the XL/XE. Allan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 "Screens" was pretty good, if a little slow. Coolest thing was that it could rescale window content to arbitrary sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozar Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 Is this the one you're thinking of? http://analog.katorlegaz.com/analog_1986-11_120dpi_jpeg_cropped/analog_1986-11_015.html#bottomhalf Analog Computing 48 1986-11 Cosmic Glob.atr That's it! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 IIRC, there were a couple of these that appeared about the same time. I remember one (in Antic) I think that had a very impressive demo where the the windows popped open and closed all over the screen. Pretty impressive stuff. Microsoft probably copied the idea... So we ultimately owe all the neat Windows stuff to the Atari 8-bit... -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knimrod Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 IIRC, there were a couple of these that appeared about the same time. I remember one (in Antic) I think that had a very impressive demo where the the windows popped open and closed all over the screen. Pretty impressive stuff. Microsoft probably copied the idea... So we ultimately owe all the neat Windows stuff to the Atari 8-bit... -Larry Nice try but I think that distinction goes to Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center). The Xerox Alto GUI in 1973 (followed by the the "STAR" workstation GUI in 1981) "inspired" Apple and Sun to do their own GUI which ultimately inspired Microsoft to do Windows. Many people assume Apple invented the windows type GUI but that's not the case. Indeed, many of Apple's great "innovations" were bought, borrowed or stolen from somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
576XE Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Hi there Irgendwer. Glad to read that you can find a disk with W: device. Is it the same device window.obj Carsten Strottman used with his windowing routines ACTION! library? Please publish the disk image if possible. Thank you in advance. ez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 There was also the "T:" handler, which came out on APX: T: A Text Display Device Which later became "Screens": Screens Disk 1 Screens Disk 2 It doesn't use Graphics 0, but rather Graphic 8. Pretty neat utility, but alas it doesn't work with TBXL. I'm not sure what other BASIC's it might be compatible with, but it is designed for use in Atari BASIC. Since the topic came back up, I noticed the links to Screens are bad. Does anybody have a copy of these? I never downloaded them when the topic was new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Since the topic came back up, I noticed the links to Screens are bad. Does anybody have a copy of these? I never downloaded them when the topic was new. Actually, if you peek at the URLs that the links point to, they're just in the Holmes archive at Pigwa. So you probably have them. But for a fellow Ohioan... Screens 1.0 A.atr Screens 1.0 B.atr Edited April 10, 2017 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Here's the manual: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Is it the same device window.obj Carsten Strottman used with his windowing routines ACTION! library? Could be, don't know. Please publish the disk image if possible. Since time has passed, this is even easier now: From http://ataribasiclistings.mygamesonline.org/get "Sonderheft 1" disk: http://ataribasiclistings.mygamesonline.org/HappyComputer/HC_Sonderheft1.7z and boot "SONDER1C.ATR" in Basic. To launch the test program: POKE 106,144:DOS L (BINARY LOAD) WINDOWS.COM B (RUN CARTRIDGE) ? USR(37120) RUN "D:WINDBEIS.BAS" Have fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Here's the manual: Manual had some formatting problems with the example programs and tables. I think I got them all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Some more formatting fixes: Screens - Manual.txt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Actually, if you peek at the URLs that the links point to, they're just in the Holmes archive at Pigwa. So you probably have them. But for a fellow Ohioan... I'm noticing more and more Ohioans in Atariland.... Maybe we should look into having a little Atari get together sometime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I'm noticing more and more Ohioans in Atariland.... Maybe we should look into having a little Atari get together sometime. I think there always have been. It probably has something to do with the long winters. Albert himself lives in Ohio (don't know if he's from here or not). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Really? For some reason I thought it was Texas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I think there always have been. It probably has something to do with the long winters. Albert himself lives in Ohio (don't know if he's from here or not). He may have at one point, but don't think he does anymore. Steve Tucker (AtariMax) lives around Cleveland, but has never been open to any kind of in person meeting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I actually met Steve a few years ago when I bought a bunch of stuff off him. Really nice guy. Too bad he wouldn't be up for a meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
576XE Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Hi there, Ingendwer. Many thanks for your kind reply! Hi there friends! Really I think that Text User Interface is much more suitable for Atari then graphics and any mixted (as Screens). My idea is to write TUI library for PL65 compiler. This language is very impressive and much more readable then Basic. Even more readable then Action! As it has it's own embedded assembler I think that core part of TUI may be in assembly and access part in high level. BUT! I'm not a programmer. Just trying it. Best wishes from Moscow! ez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) Really? For some reason I thought it was Texas. He may have at one point, but don't think he does anymore. I see that now. I know he was here for a number of years -- from when I first started coming to AtariAge in 2005. Steve Tucker (AtariMax) lives around Cleveland, but has never been open to any kind of in person meeting. I guess I knew that; I've bought from him before (all good experiences, including very good support/help), but it was about 5 years ago. I've seen quite a few folks from Ohio here over the years. Atari products were popular in the "midwest" -- as it's still called. Edited April 11, 2017 by MrFish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Really I think that Text User Interface is much more suitable for Atari then graphics and any mixted (as Screens). There are some benefits to a Text UI, but there are plenty of downsides too. The biggest one is being stuck with mono-spaced fonts, which limit the number of characters per line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 (edited) We should have an AtariMax appreciation dinner/tech fest with Steve as the guest of honor... Just a good time with no hassles, trust me... he deserves it! Now let's get back on topic, we are wondering all over the place and everywhere across the threads these days... I think I lost enough bits that I byte now... Edited April 11, 2017 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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