The Official Turbografx 16 Thread!

[CatPix]

By jewel cases, do you think about the cases themselves, or the inner case that hold the Hu-Card?

 

I'm not sure anyone still make those, or equivalents.

[retroillucid]

By jewel cases, do you think about the cases themselves, or the inner case that hold the Hu-Card?

 

I'm not sure anyone still make those, or equivalents.

 

Yes, what is holding the Hu-Card

Jewel cases are the same as CD cases

 

I know someone made some by using a 3D printer, but I don't think the file is available

[Black_Tiger]

@Starscream: your photos with all the sleeves intact brings an interesting question:

 

Going on Turbografx titles... Did all games come with the outer cardboard sleeve or were there some with just a jewel case? I know some later releases came in cardboard boxes few of which survived. I try to collect most games with the jewel case, except late releases like Time Cruise and Air Zonk which never had a jewel case I collect loose.

 

Is a turbochip game generally considered CIB with just the jewel case + manual + card, or does it need the cardboard sleeve as well? I consider the cardboard sleeves unnecessary but if I acquire a game with it I would obviously keep it.

The Turbo brand was initially launched by a company formed by NEC and Hudson called "NEC Technologies Inc". Later on, when NEC decided to bail on the Turbo line, Hudson took over completely and created the company "Turbo Technologies Inc" or TTi, to handle things.

 

Every HuCard game before TTi, came in a jewel case with an outer cardboard box. Every HuCard game released during the TTi era shipped without a jewel case, just held together with a flimsy plastic tray inside the same kind of cardboard box.

 

TTi knew that a lot of people just stacked HuCards loose and at most kept the sleeve on. So it wasn't a big deal, but it helped keep HuCards costs down enough to make them worthwhile to publish, as the hardcore Turbo userbase who actually stuck around that long, mostly had CD systems (around the SNES launch, a SNES cost about the same as a TG-16 + Turbo CD) and TTi replaced the TG-16 with the TurboDuo. CD games were the main format by then, just as it had been for a long time in Japan.

 

For over 15 years, Turbo players generally consider pre-TTi HuCards complete if they had the jewel case and manual (sleeve wasn't a big deal) and TTi HuCards complete if they just had the manual. The cardboard boxes weren't intended to be a proper package for the games like <NES console game boxes. They were just advertising.

 

Modern organized game collecting has gotten pretty crazy and people who enjoy collecting more than games have varying, selective and often hypocritical rules for what "counts" as part of a "complete" game.

 

The TurboGrafx-CD System Card doesn't have a jewel case or manual. The Super CD System Card shipped in a jewel case with manual and came in white cardboard housing with folding flaps.

 

All pre-TTi CD games came with cardboard boxes. All TTi era CD games do not gave a cardboard box, even the CD2 and fake SCD games. Working Designs released two CD games during the TTi era which cane with a cardboard sleeve: Exile Wicked Phenomenom and Vasteel.

Edited January 31, 2016 by Black_Tiger

[CatPix]

What are "fake SCD games?" games that were labeled as SCD games but could play on CD-ROM² system cards?

[7800fan]

I bought some games new back in the day and these are what I remember:

Vasteel (USA) came with cardboard sleeve but no box.

Order of the Griffon came in but the plastic case did not have end label for some reason.

AFAIK all USA Hucard games came in box and pretty much as CD-ROM2 games. SCD (the later release that required System 3.0 or Duo) generally didn't have box, Just sleeve or none.

[mickcris]

 

Yes, what is holding the Hu-Card

Jewel cases are the same as CD cases

 

I know someone made some by using a 3D printer, but I don't think the file is available

The Admin at the pcenginefx forums sells 3D printed ones.

http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18661.0

 

They are $6.50 a piece if you buy 24. I'm not aware of any other source.

[Sapicco]

Hi, I will take two cib, one tg16 and one pce!

[Andromeda Stardust]

DVD and B-R in sleeves? are those promotionnal versions or something?

The plastic retail case has a cardboard sleeve around it on some of the premium DVD/BluRay releases. Typically the carboard sleeve has a rectangular cutout for the UPC symbol to who through. I'm not talking about square paper sleeves like 90s CD-ROMs typically came in.

 

Sometimes it's hit or miss whether these sleeves come with the DVD or BluRay case. Oftentimes the cardboard sleeve actually goes over the shrink wrap. The Turbochip releases with the cardboard sleeves over them are similar.

[Andromeda Stardust]

Hello fellow Turbografx 16 / PC Engine fans!

 

Just to let you know we're still working on our very first game for Turbografx 16 / PC Engine

The game is Sydney Hunter & The Caverns of Death

The plan is to release the game complete in box just like back in time!

It's going to be release for both Turbografx 16 and PC Engine

 

PCBs and card shells are done, we're only looking for a good source for Jewel Cases

Anyone knows where to find new ones?

 

You can still follow us on our Facebook page at: www.facebook.com/collectorvision

 

 

 

Cheers

Holy cow, that's amazing! How much for these?

[Andromeda Stardust]

 

Yes, what is holding the Hu-Card

Jewel cases are the same as CD cases

 

I know someone made some by using a 3D printer, but I don't think the file is available

Some jewel cases hold CDs. Some jewel cases (actually very few) hold Hucards. The only difference is the tray that either has a slot for a card or prongs for a CD,

[CatPix]

The plastic retail case has a cardboard sleeve around it on some of the premium DVD/BluRay releases. Typically the carboard sleeve has a rectangular cutout for the UPC symbol to who through. I'm not talking about square paper sleeves like 90s CD-ROMs typically came in.

 

Sometimes it's hit or miss whether these sleeves come with the DVD or BluRay case. Oftentimes the cardboard sleeve actually goes over the shrink wrap. The Turbochip releases with the cardboard sleeves over them are similar.

oh, I see what you mean, now that you mentionned it. And as you guessed sicne we were talking about games released in sleeves and not standard jewels cases I though it was the same deal.

[retroillucid]

Holy cow, that's amazing! How much for these?

 

Thanks

 

It'll get released later this year

[Eltigro]

Posting a couple of pics of Hucard jewel cases. Seemed there was a bit of confusion about what they look like or whatever. I've noticed two different kinds. One has a circle of sticky material that holds the Hucard vinyl sleeve in place in the jewel case (like the Keith Courage one on top) and the other has a clear plastic clip that holds it in place (like the Legendary Axe one). There are also some other minor differences in the cases... the right edge where it opens on the Keith Courage one has ridges, whereas the Legendary Axe one is smooth. The Keith Courage one also has a slight texture to the back and interior that the other one does not. This doesn't really show up well in photos, though... at least not at the light level I currently have available...

 

[Andromeda Stardust]

 

Thanks

 

It'll get released later this year

So you're releasing the same homebrew games on simultaneous platforms (SNES, Turbo etc...). I think that's a first for non-period releases. I just gotta choose which version I want!

 

How well does the porting of physics, code, and level data go from one platform to another? I know Chunkout was released for Color Game Boy, NES, and Atari. I have all three versions but they each play differently. I think the Game Boy Color version is the most unique as it contains a really cool Easter Egg bonus game if you play it on a monochrome or Super Game Boy.

[Black_Tiger]

What are "fake SCD games?" games that were labeled as SCD games but could play on CD-ROM² system cards?

Yeah, although there are some Super CD games which are enhanced by using the Arcade Card CD, fake SCD games seem to just be CD-ROM2 games labeled as SCDs.

 

 

 

I bought some games new back in the day and these are what I remember:

Vasteel (USA) came with cardboard sleeve but no box.

Order of the Griffon came in but the plastic case did not have end label for some reason.

AFAIK all USA Hucard games came in box and pretty much as CD-ROM2 games. SCD (the later release that required System 3.0 or Duo) generally didn't have box, Just sleeve or none.

Order of the Griffon must have been a transitional game, because it shipped with plastic trays and no HuCard/jewel case with a label has been found.

 

No SCD games have a traditional cardboard box. Several CD2 games do not either.

Edited February 1, 2016 by Black_Tiger

[CatPix]

Yeah, although there are some Super CD games which are enhanced by using the Arcade Card CD, fake SCD games seem to just be CD-ROM2 games labeled as SCDs.

 

 

Thnaks. Do you know any titles?

 

And I heard of thoes games that benefit from the Arcade Card (tho it's mostly faster loading times, as the drive have more RAM to work with) i didn't heard yet of ROM² games that labeled themselve as SCD games.

I know of some Japanese erotic mahjong games that came with their own BIOS Hucard (so those aren't published by NEC, do you could call them "fake", but I'm not sure why - maybe NEC-Hudson included a primitive game lock in their CD BIOS?

Edited February 1, 2016 by CatPix

[Black_Tiger]

Some fake SCD games off the top of my head:

 

Sherlock 2

Terraforming

Macross 2036 -PCE exclusive

 

 

The Games Express CD games actually use the ram inside the PCE CD hardware and their system cards only run custom drivers. So some games work on Interface Face Unit/CD-ROM combos, while some only work on SCD setups like the Super CD-ROM and Duos.

 

There are also Genesis/Mega Drive and Turbo/PC Engine PACs for the LaserActive which have additional unique formats. I don't think that Mega-LD and LD-ROM2 games are region locked, but cart and CD games still have the same region restrictions.

Edited February 1, 2016 by Black_Tiger

[atarilovesyou]

Quick question, but does anybody know if those AV output devices are being made available again? There was one from Shapeways that seemed pretty good.

[Andromeda Stardust]

Quick question, but does anybody know if those AV output devices are being made available again? There was one from Shapeways that seemed pretty good.

There is an RGB board with audio and video amps but it is expensive. The one I got from Etsy had the perfect form factor and although the audio is unamplified, it's only slightly lower than other consoles and easy to compensate with volume control. Also it did not come from Shapeways. Shapeways uses powder and a bonding laser for all their print materials. Mine had the extruded wire thermal bond stuff used by cheap printers, which honestly has a nice texture and finish. I hadn't checked back to see if the seller is still supplying the AV "alternative" Turbo Booster. But it's great. I haven't removed mine since I got it. They are perfect for anyone with a base Turbografx console without the CD add-on.

 

Here is the original link to the item page (no longer available). You can try contacting the seller if you want.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/250831916/turbografx-16-alternative-turbobooster

 

And here's the db Grafx Booster with full RGB support (a bit overkill if you just want composite AV for your CRT).

http://www.db-elec.com/home/products/dbgrafxbooster

 

Then there's the "poor man's AV mod" by splicing an AV cable directly too the headers. This is cheap but not without risk as you could damage the pins if the wires get tugged.

 

I don't know of any other options without console modding, besides the rare and overpriced Turbo Booster.

[YarsRevengeFan]

Does anyone know of a controller alternative for the TG-16? I only have one controller, and if that goes, I will be really sad!

I looked quite a bit online last night, only found used controllers, and man are they spensive!

Edited February 3, 2016 by YarsRevengeFan

[CatPix]

I suppose, getting pads from Japan, and making a DIN to Mini-Din adapter.

 

You can get a lot of 2 PC-Engine pads for 25$ usually (w/out shipping) and/or Hori ones, and a lot of other peripherals.

 

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/PC-Engine-Controller-Accessories-JP-GAME-/331755461001

 

www.ebay.fr/itm/PC-Engine-Controller-Accessories-JP-GAME-/401055559109

 

Hori Pad, if you like to play your PC-Engine NES style :

http://www.ebay.fr/itm/PC-Engine-Controller-Accessories-JP-GAME-/311505468639

 

BTW, that shop is a trusted seller, you can buy blindly from them.

Edited February 3, 2016 by CatPix

[Black_Tiger]

Quick question, but does anybody know if those AV output devices are being made available again? There was one from Shapeways that seemed pretty good.

Mickris on pcenginefx sells RGB modded Tennokoe II's with scart cable for $70. It plugs into the back of PC Engine and TurboGrafx systems and provides back-up saving for games plus composite, RGB and stereo output.

[CatPix]

Isn't the conenctor on the TG16 different? Trapeze shaped?

Plus the Tennokoe II "wrap" around the PC-Engine, so it simply can't fit on a TG-16 system.

[mickcris]

it can be made to fit. just need to remove a bit of plastic off the connector of the tennokoe 2. Other than that, the fit is perfect. Just might look a little odd.

[CatPix]

More than one bit :

 

 

It require more than cutting the connector I think? And if cutting the connector is enough, why not getting a PC-Engine AV booster? Aren't those worth like 30$?

Edited February 4, 2016 by CatPix