Which version of Wolfenstien 3D do you think is better?

[Major Havoc 2049]

The SNES version = FAIL

 

The Germans...errr Master Staters had no chance against our troops armed with M-16 rifles.

 

 

Who could forget WWII, between the Republic and the Master State, led by the evil Staatmeister.

 

 

 

 

[Willard]

The snes versions of Doom and Wolf3D are definitely lacking compared to other versions.

 

However, having an SNES back in the day and no 3DO / 32X / Jaguar I'll say they were pretty good for the time (despite the censorship they were pretty good conversions considering the hardware, and gave some people a chance to play them when they otherwise couldn't). Especially when the alternative is shelling out a few hundred extra for the hardware.

 

An example of a game that was totally butchered was Duke Nukem 3D For the Mega Drive, that's the kind of game that IMO was a real disappointment and shouldnt have retained the original name and didn't really represent the original gameplay very well.

 

Today you're probably not going to want to make them (the SNES versions) your go-to versions if you have a choice though.

Edited April 28, 2015 by Willard

[Rick Dangerous]

What!! Someone made Duke Nukem for the Genesis? That's freaking awesome...lol. Was that a commercial release?

 

The SNES W3D/Doom ports are amazing tech demos for the SNES. It's amazing they even exist considering the hardware..

Edited April 28, 2015 by travistouchdown

[CGQuarterly]

What!! Someone made Duke Nukem for the Genesis? That's freaking awesome...lol. Was that a commercial release?

 

It was only released in Brazil. It really doesn't look too bad, though.

[AtarinDave]

The SNES version of Wolfenstein 3D is playable, therefore it's still fun.

[Willard]

Duke Nukem 3D on the mega drive is a commercial release, by Tec Toy. Whether it was an authorized release is debatable (per some source I read, Tec toy claims they got the license from GT Interactive but 3D realms had no involvement).

 

For the mega drive it's a decent looking and decent playing game. If you buy it thinking it comes close to the PC version you're not going to get what you're expecting though. It definitely has the general looks and sounds of duke nukem as the graphics and sounds were taken from the game. But despite some vague similarities in level arcitecture it's not really the same game.

Edited April 28, 2015 by Willard

[+madman]

Everyone knows the best console version of Duke Nukem is on the game.com

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V72P9-6S7qM

[potatohead]

It's funny, but I never really liked the keyboard/mouse combo. I always used a Logitech gamepad for games like Wolfenstein 3D, Blake Stone, Doom, etc. Frankly, those types of games were well suited to the gamepad because you really didn't have to aim/target. With that said, GoldenEye on the Nintendo 64 worked well with the gamepad, and precision aiming (no doubt thanks to programmed assist) was relatively easy. Even today I tend to play FPS games more on consoles like the Xbox One and PS4 than on my PC. Old habits die hard I guess.

 

Yeah, I know others who feel the same way. I really imprinted on WOLF3D, DOOM, QUAKE. Keyboard mouse rocks so hard, I find a pad very limiting, though some assist helps.

[82-T/A]

There is NO WAY the DOS version is better than the Jaguar version. I played the DOS version repeatedly... still remember getting a Sound Blaster just so I could hear the sound effects. Jaguar version is definitely better than the DOS one, though I do love both versions.

[Austin]

There is NO WAY the DOS version is better than the Jaguar version. I played the DOS version repeatedly... still remember getting a Sound Blaster just so I could hear the sound effects. Jaguar version is definitely better than the DOS one, though I do love both versions.

 

I can think of a lot of ways the DOS version is better than the Jag version..

[Shawn]

PC Version by a long shot.

[Gunstar]

Both the 3DO and Jaguar versions are fantastic. I guess I prefer the Jag version though because it was my first encounter with the game and I always end up missing the full screen when I play the 3DO version, even if it is cropped. Maybe it's just me, but it seems the Jag version is a lot faster and smoother, and definitely faster when running. I find the stereo sound effects to have better separation and clarity in the Jag version too. The music of the 3DO CD is definitely better, but not enough for me to care, since I usually end up eventually turning the music off on FPS games anyway. I never minded lack of music in-game in Doom either. The textures look better to me too, in Jag WF3D, but maybe it has something to do with being full screen and so has a better vertical resolution. But then I'm up converting from RGB to VGA and progressive scan 640x480, and originally Jag WF3D was 240p on NTSC 480i CRT screens and the 3DO had interpolation for 240p to 480i on NTSC CRT screens, so with standard video on SD TV's 3DO WF3D looks better.

[Jagosaurus]

If you are including the PC and Mac releases, then those are the best bar-none. There's no competition.

Isn't the Jag port based on the Mac version? Hence why the rocket launcher is present.

 

Does the Mac version have points or health like Doom?

 

Also, there's a video on YouTube of Carmack playing Wolf 3D (PC IIRC) for the 20th anniversary & specifically praises the Jaguar port. What's weird is he mentions shoulder buttons for strafe. Guess devs had a 6 button early on & this never made it into thr final game. Carmack vote was for the Jaguar it wins

[Austin]

Isn't the Jag port based on the Mac version? Hence why the rocket launcher is present.

 

You've got it reversed. Jag version came before the Mac one. The rocket launcher and flamethrower are likely in the Jag version because they had already added them to the SNES version which id software also developed. This was released before the Jaguar version as well and I believe it was the first home port of Wolfenstein 3D that id worked on.

[Jagosaurus]

 

You've got it reversed. Jag version came before the Mac one. The rocket launcher and flamethrower are likely in the Jag version because they had already added them to the SNES version which id software also developed. This was released before the Jaguar version as well and I believe it was the first home port of Wolfenstein 3D that id worked on.

At least we didn't get the giant rats....

 

I actually really like the 3DO SFXs, think they sound more crisp.

 

Refresh my memory on the other versions soundtrack, IIRC the Jag version had a jazz meets Sega Genesis soundtrack.

 

I played the DOS game on my dad's old PC originally. One of my "defining games" & I enjoyed playing through the Jag port a few years back. Still CIB on my shelf

[Austin]

I actually really like the 3DO SFXs, think they sound more crisp.

 

Refresh my memory on the other versions soundtrack, IIRC the Jag version had a jazz meets Sega Genesis soundtrack.

 

The sound effects on the 3DO version are excellent. By far the best of pretty much any version available (this is the only aspect I will say is better than the PC original--the gun and pickup sounds on the 3DO version).

 

The Jag soundtrack uses tunes from the PC version tweaked to fit the Jag's sound hardware.

[calimero]

Here is John Carmack playing and speaking about Wolfenstein. He mention Jaguar version at around 10:00 - https://youtu.be/amDtAPHH-zE?t=10m05s

[roquer.jordi]

Jaguar for me. numeric keypad to change weapons is a must and I think is one of the only ports that allows save in mid level. Also graphics are very nice. In fact that was the proof that the Jaguar could handle Doom

[InnovaX5]

I gotta go with the Jag version. Dos is amazing but I'm a console gamer at heart.

[82-T/A]

I'm just curious in what way some people think the DOS version is better than the Jag version.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to lose sleep over your answers, get into a raging argument, or send death threats if you disagree with me, hahaha... but I am curious. In terms of graphics and stuff, I really felt like the Jag version is just a bit better... not by much, but better than the DOS version.

[BassGuitari]

I think the Jaguar and 3DO versions are probably the best.

The SNES version was good if all you had was a SNES. A lot better than Doom at any rate. It's not even that bad considering it's an FPS on the SNES. The "Billy Idol Goes To Vietnam" cover art was a little strange, though.

I played a lot of the DOS version back in the day but I don't think it's aged especially well; it's more of a nostalgia trip for me.

[Punisher5.0]

I never knew SNES had a port. Just watched a video of it and it looks decent. I wonder what they could have done with a FX2 proc.

 

I have it for the Jaguar but never played it. I think it's still sealed actually.

[Lynxpro]

Speaking of level editors and such…has anyone hacked JagDoom just to include the 1196 Borregas Avenue Atari Corp HQ Map that was available on Atari Corp's website as a free PC download before the JTS merger/implosion?

[Austin]

It's fun revisiting topics like this because I often revisit these two versions (3DO and Jag Wolfenstein 3D) and I sometimes find out new things about them, or notice new things that are similar or different. Now after a recent excursion, I think I have to give the edge to the 3DO one. I just learned it has the original six episodes from the PC version on top of the 30 stock stages made for the Mac and console versions of the game, bringing the 3DO version to a whopping 90 levels. That's a boatload of content.

 

I'm just curious in what way some people think the DOS version is better than the Jag version.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to lose sleep over your answers, get into a raging argument, or send death threats if you disagree with me, hahaha... but I am curious. In terms of graphics and stuff, I really felt like the Jag version is just a bit better... not by much, but better than the DOS version.

 

60 FPS, enemies don't always face you like they do in the Jag and 3DO versions, enemies don't skip across the screen when the framerate dips (because it never dips), keyboard + mouse controls, wider variety of wall textures, double the levels, larger stages, greater challenge/more intense gameplay later on in the game, etc., etc.

[+madman]

I never knew SNES had a port. Just watched a video of it and it looks decent. I wonder what they could have done with a FX2 proc.

The SNES version is pretty unique due to all of Nintendo's censoring. It's a great port, but it seems like an entirely different theme without all the Nazi stuff. It's worth checking out, though. I used to get a lot of mileage out of the game way back when.