TI-GAMER Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I know we ask a lot about pricing of Cartridges and it is really what someone is willing to pay for them but I just wanted to get a rough idea on what the majority thinks the value of a Working Beyond Parsec Cartridge would be these days. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift838 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I have seen them go for $50 to $100. I know we ask a lot about pricing of Cartridges and it is really what someone is willing to pay for them but I just wanted to get a rough idea on what the majority thinks the value of a Working Beyond Parsec Cartridge would be these days. Thanks I have seen them go for $50 to $100 in the last couple of years when they surface. I myself was lucky enough to get one in a lot of an estate sale with a new Triton Super Extended Basic, MunchMan II and Beyond Parsec all with manuals for $50. But my case was not normal. Are you trying to sell one or buy one ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TI-GAMER Posted July 24, 2015 Author Share Posted July 24, 2015 I am looking to Buy one and have an opportunity to get it for $55 shipped and before I pull the trigger I just wanted to see if it was worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift838 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I am looking to Buy one and have an opportunity to get it for $55 shipped and before I pull the trigger I just wanted to see if it was worth it. In my opinion it is based on the rarity of the cartridge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I would put the value of any of the DBT game cartridges in the $15 to $50 range. Most of them would fall into the $15 to $20 range though--and the rarer ones (and oddly enough, Beyond Parsec is one of those, probably due to tepid reviews back in the day) would be in the $20 to $40 range, $50 if you really want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabrice montupet Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 Beyond Parsec is a cartridge only for collectors, I played "Beyond Parsec" no more than 10 minutes, I couldn't more. I think that it is not a good game: poor gameplay and graphics, especially for a game created in 1988. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I rather like Beyond Parsec when played two-player. Not for everyone, for sure, but it is a good "I'm gonna blast your ass into dust" quick stress reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimes99er Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 Beyond Parsec is a cartridge only for collectors, I played "Beyond Parsec" no more than 10 minutes, I couldn't more. I think that it is not a good game: poor gameplay and graphics, especially for a game created in 1988. It may have been intended for release by TI back in 1983. With Parsec's popularity, I felt a 2-player version would be a sure hit. I created a storyboard concept and began coding the software as a submission to TI. The concept was two ships in a moveable asteroid field. The asteroids would move if they were fired upon, so they could be used as both an offensive and defensive weapon. I used the sound effects created for Parsec and submitted it to TI. They loved it and accepted it as a Class A submission. But TI announced they were killing the home computer. They released the software back to me with the condition that I did not use the Parsec name. So, I renamed the game "Beyond Space." ref.: http://xona.com/ti994a/parsec.html http://www.99er.net/jphillips.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
am1933 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 As a stand alone game with no relation to Parsec-it would have been an average game at best. BUT-stick the Parsec name on it and you are seriously in danger of shi**ing on the memory of the original classic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 about pricing value, i found some info on my personal DB: The last price is insane i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabrice montupet Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) It may have been intended for release by TI back in 1983. I know the story of this game. Even for 1983, it was not a good game. John Phillips made better programs for the TI-99. "Beyond Parsec"/ "Beyond Space" looks like many other games that could be found for free in computer magazines as listings printed, written in TI Extended Basic whereas it is in assembly So, release it stil in 1988 had no real interest. I rembember that the game was also released by Exceltec/Sunware Ltd. in 1984. I think that If the game has been well welcomed at TI, this is because 1983 was a dark year for the commercial teams and they tried all possibilities to boost sales and increase margins. Edited July 25, 2015 by fabrice montupet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mizapf Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 As he was talking about using the asteroids for defense or attack, I remembered Meteor Belt from MB, which was another of my favorite games for two players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TI-GAMER Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) I just picked up a working Beyond Parsec Cart and Manual for $40. I have been wheeling and dealing with this guy for 2 weeks. He originally wanted over $100 and I wasnt willing to go that high. I thought I had an agreement around $50 but he never got back with me. I guess he was trying to sell it for more and no one purchased it. I offered him $40 today and he accepted. "Patience is a Virtue" Edited July 31, 2015 by TI-GAMER 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Nice Price, which type of label has the cartridge ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TI-GAMER Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) It looks like a Generic Label that I have seen quite often on these cartridges. To me it looks like something that someone cut and glued on LOL but I have seen the same label many other times. Are there other variants of these labels? Edited July 31, 2015 by TI-GAMER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) oh well, i will save your pictures because i miss this variant of cartridge... see at post number 10 for others labels , i have the third of that post anyway they are the original labels. Edited July 31, 2015 by ti99iuc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TI-GAMER Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) All of those pictures show the label more on the front of the cartridge instead of the top. Did they place them on different parts of the cart from the factory? Edited July 31, 2015 by TI-GAMER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I had a label on the end of the cartridge, but it wore off (I actually found it at one time and I am pretty certain it got tossed.) I had to print my own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I have several cartridge from DataBiotics and all that ones has different labels... some one have like your is (on the TOP) and some other like in the picture, some other again have the standard long label on the side (like is in the second picture of the post 10th) ... about that i know that all are original. but i do not know whe he used so different labels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TI-GAMER Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 Was there ever any production numbers released on how many of these carts were ever made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 There is no real listing of how many of the DBT cartridges were ever made. If I extrapolate the numbers based on the best sellers from Asgard (where I do have some numbers, based on my discussions with Chris), a good seller might have hit 500 copies over time--possibly as high as 1,000 considering the length of time they were available. The not so good sellers were probably in the range of 100 or so cartridges (possibly much lower), again, mostly because they were available for long periods of time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krslam Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Really, that low? That would imply that they sold, total for all carts, just a few thousand units over several years. Not much of a business. After spending much time with the 2048K Games I cart, Ksarul, I can say the Databiotics people were fine programmers compared to, say, Funware, so I'm surprised they didn't sell better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 The best sellers from Asgard fell in the 300-500 copy range, and were comparable titles to the best of the ones sold by DBT. DBT sold 32 game cartridges (I count variants where they renamed the cartridge as separate issues--i.e. Spot Shot became Dragonflyer). Very few of these were low sellers, so there would be between 15 and 20 thousand of their game cartridges out there (possibly more, but this is a ballpark figure). DBT also sold 18 different utility cartridges(again, I count variants where they renamed the cartridge as separate issues--i.e. Console Calc became TI Planner). Many of these were only available for short periods of time (like this series: Miniwriter II, then Miniwriter III, Wordwriter, Wordwriter Xtra, and finally, Beyond Wordwriter). I'd put most of them in the good seller range though, based on how often I see them show up on eBay. Again, that gives 5 to 10 thousand cartridges, so we have totals in the 20 to 40 thousand range when adding everything together. That's a lot of software. I once read that Atari only released about 160 thousand of the Atarisoft cartridges (which works out to 10 to 15 thousand of each title, and these are one of the more common third-party release sets). Another source put the total closer to 300 thousand, but that is still in the range of 20 to 30 thousand of each title--and when one looks at the auction history for DBT versus Atarisoft, you'll usually see one DBT cartridge for every ten or so Atarisoft cartridges, so the guess here is probably pretty close to the reality. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift838 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 It looks like a Generic Label that I have seen quite often on these cartridges. To me it looks like something that someone cut and glued on LOL but I have seen the same label many other times. Are there other variants of these labels? My cartridge has the exact same label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Ksarul Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 DBT used standard end-type labels and the glue-on rectangular labels on most of their cartridges at some point in the life cycle of each title (at least for the games, although I haven't seen the glue-on type for the utility cartridges). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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