+Ksarul #76 Posted December 21, 2015 No problems there, I do a lot of layouts--and if you route the trace from pin 6 between pins 8 and 9 of the 74LS21, you don't need a bridge at all. . .depending on how wide you want it. 10 thousandths of an inch is more than enough for a signal line, so long as you keep all corners at 45 degrees instead of 90. Your idea to put this onto a small board is a good one, as it will make this project a LOT easier to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #77 Posted December 21, 2015 Coincidentally, I didn't put two-and-two together until I put the creator's name on the silk screen, Mike Brent, then it sunk in, I work with the guy who created this mod. Small world. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omega-TI #78 Posted December 21, 2015 Oh, RAT FARTS! I've had no time to do ANY projects lately, but the ONE THING that I did do, when I managed to shoe-horn in a couple of minutes .... was to prep my 74LS21. Now it looks like I may need to buy another if this board project comes to fruition. Good thing it's a 'quarterly' project. I do have a question though. Where under the 'clam shell' do you plan to attach and secure this board? Will it fit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tursi #79 Posted December 21, 2015 Coincidentally, I didn't put two-and-two together until I put the creator's name on the silk screen, Mike Brent, then it sunk in, I work with the guy who created this mod. Small world. Ahhh, now the mystery begins! or I'm just tired cause it's the 5am end of a midnight shift... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tursi #80 Posted December 21, 2015 Looking at the board again, it occurs to me that you could add a couple of pads and have the disable switch discussed above, too. People who don't want the switch can just wire across the pads. Thanks for adding a credit! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #81 Posted December 23, 2015 Sounds like you've been Shanghai'd. Are the mosquitoes gone yet? When Matt updated the firmware on my F18A I just threw the 99's RF shielding into the recycling bin, as I consider it to be a worthless heat trap coated with Erin Brokovich-upsetting-hexavalent-chromium. I actually watch TV from a rooftop antenna, (so much cleaner than compressed cable) and haven't seen any interference from the TI. Anyways so I didn't really think about the vertical fit. I guess I'll need to use the surrounding componenents to judge clearance, as long as we're no higher than the highest existing item we should be OK. Also hadn't yet given any thought to finding the least hot area near the potential board placement, offhand I'm guessing that somewhere near the 74 ic's is cooler than over the ram. I didn't see the switch suggestion (I don't have a NanoPeb) but the Eagle file should be easy enough to modify. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tursi #82 Posted December 23, 2015 I doubt you'll have clearance issues, piggy-backing chips on the mainboard has never been an issue, and you aren't adding much more height than that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omega-TI #83 Posted December 23, 2015 I doubt you'll have clearance issues, piggy-backing chips on the mainboard has never been an issue, and you aren't adding much more height than that. I think he was referring to using his PCB design with the chips on-board. There may be some placement issues under the clam-shell for those who choose go that route. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tursi #84 Posted December 24, 2015 I I think he was referring to using his PCB design with the chips on-board. There may be some placement issues under the clam-shell for those who choose go that route. I hope so, cause that's what I was talking about Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #85 Posted December 29, 2015 With my mod, I guess you have lots of options, but I'd probably disable it with a switch on the RAM's Chip Enable line (pin 20). One side to the AND gate as per the docs and one to +5v (optionally through a small resistor, 1k or so). When the switch is placed in the 5v selection, the chip enable is permanently high and the RAM chip will never respond. Flicking the switch while the system is running may cause a crash (less likely if not using the 32k at the time, but it is always possible). With a pull-up resistor you can use an SPST switch on the same line -- the pull up resistor goes from CE to any +5V source, and the switch is inline with the wire to the AND gate. I don't like it quite as much because the system has to override the resistor to activate the chip, and the console kind of has a lot of that going on already. You'd probably want to try a 10k resistor here, though. I think I might have followed that correctly, though I'm not sure which of the two resistor values to use (I'm guessing the 1K.) I will go with this layout then: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shift838 #86 Posted December 29, 2015 is this comes to fruition I would buy a few boards. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+arcadeshopper #87 Posted December 29, 2015 is this comes to fruition I would buy a few boards. me too! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omega-TI #88 Posted December 29, 2015 I can delay for about a month as I'd like to use this board too. I can always use the original method as a fallback plan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tursi #89 Posted December 29, 2015 I think I might have followed that correctly, though I'm not sure which of the two resistor values to use (I'm guessing the 1K.) I will go with this layout then: That looks right to me. Either resistor will probably work... I think there is an actual knack to picking pull up resistor values but the 1k will drive it a little more strongly than the 10k, and since it doesn't need to be overridden, it gives me warm fuzzies. Even if full current was flowing, it's only 1mA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #90 Posted December 29, 2015 (edited) I've ordered this revision from Osh Park, $21 for qty 3. If it works properly, I'll hit the project's "Start sharing" button on their website so that anyone can order. Amazon sent a delivery estimate on the ram chip of Jan 30, so I gather that it ships from China, I'll check Burbank Electronics City in the meantime to see if I can get one faster as I'm sure I don't want to wait that long. (Edit: I just found out they're out of business.) Edited December 29, 2015 by towmater 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #91 Posted January 9, 2016 Digi Key and Osh Park deliveries arrived today. Looks like I have a weekend project to install. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tursi #92 Posted January 9, 2016 Looking sharp! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #93 Posted January 9, 2016 Urf, I fail the Corcomp Test, which is, I believe, a modified Voight-Kampf. As you can see it hit the 32k ram's starting address and immediately quit. I have quad-triple checked the wiring, and tested continuity on all, it looks fine. I guess I will do an identical installation on a second TI-99 and see if I get the same results, but unless I am missing something, I can't fathom what's wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mizapf #94 Posted January 9, 2016 I thought a Voight-Kampff test in that context would be: Q: You unpack your newly acquired TI console and attempt to add a 32K expansion inside. After finishing you switch on power and notice a strong smell and bluish clouds emitting through the chassis, later you notice you swapped some lines. How do you feel? A: I shrug and try to do better next time. -> Replicant 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #95 Posted January 10, 2016 (edited) OK, phew, it's a good thing Osh Park makes you order three boards minimum, my second attempt at this seemed to go without a hitch. The main difference this time is that I used 22-gauge solid wire instead of braided ide hard drive wires. If I don't see any crashes or hiccups in the next few hours after I put the case together, I'll post a link to the Osh Park project page if anyone wants to do it themselves. Their prices were pretty reasonable and delivery was only a week or so. Edited January 10, 2016 by towmater 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #96 Posted January 10, 2016 It's good! All credit to Tursi. If you want to order, search on Osh Park for: "TI/99-4A 32 Ram rev 2" 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #97 Posted January 10, 2016 M'kay, calendar quarter is over. What's the next project? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towmater #98 Posted January 10, 2016 It's good! All credit to Tursi. If you want to order, search on Osh Park for: "TI/99-4A 32 Ram rev 2" Sorry, flubbed that. Search for "Ti-99/4A 32K Ram rev 2" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Omega-TI #99 Posted January 10, 2016 Sorry, flubbed that. Search for "Ti-99/4A 32K Ram rev 2" Or, you can just << CLICK HERE >> 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
+RXB #100 Posted January 10, 2016 The SAMS memory upgrade puts 1Meg of memory into a TI and is very dinky in size. With newer chips why not put 1Meg into a TI99 instead of just 32K? The cost benefit of just 32K vs 1Meg pretty much makes it look like a silly project to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites