Shawn Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 This is what i got It's totally fake. The rip in the corner of the label was to remove the hozer head which would have made spotting the fake much easier. He clearly duped you. Would be nice to see the pcb as others have mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanOliver Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The ripped paper looks really fresh. I don't know how laminated paper would tear like that. The lamination looks hand made, but I guess for this producer that could be possible. Wonder what the printing looks like magnified? Done on a modern printer or silk screened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Revolver Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 how would i open it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 The ripped paper looks really fresh. I don't know how laminated paper would tear like that. The lamination looks hand made, but I guess for this producer that could be possible. Wonder what the printing looks like magnified? Done on a modern printer or silk screened? You didn't pay too much attention, I take it? A.) There are 2 known copies of RSC, they were not made in Atari shells and sold for 5 digits, not 3. B.) The RSC label was never laminated. C.) The original circuit board used, would not even fit inside an Atari shell. EDIT: Almost as silly as believing you could accidentally break the handle off an Air Raid cart. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Combat Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 how would i open it Tomorrow call paypal & explain the seller sold you a fake hozer reproduction game & ask what steps should you take to make sure you get your money back. This guy has been selling a bunch of fakes for $1000's of dollars. I reported him to ebay along with about 7 fake auctions a couple days ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Revolver Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 i am, but i also have to set a case against him, ima call ebay then paypal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Combat Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 i am, but i also have to set a case against him, ima call ebay then paypal. good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 how would i open it Don't open it, push in the dust cover door and peek inside. We all know it is fake, but it would be nice to see the circuit board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergun Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 (edited) Hey Wiz, was a regular "pixels past" Atari-Age 2K/4K board used for the 100 cart RSC reproduction run? Or was it a melody board? The reason I ask is because I peeked inside one last night and saw that it has an EPROM on it, so if it was a regular board, why did it take so long for the rom to get dumped, and if it was a special board, to prevent that, then how did it get done? Edited November 14, 2015 by Supergun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Hey Wiz, was a regular "pixels past" Atari-Age 2K/4K board used for the 100 cart RSC reproduction run? Or was it a melody board? The reason I ask is because I peeked inside one last night and saw that it has an EPROM on it, so if it was a regular board, why did it take so long for the rom to get dumped, and if it was a special board, to prevent that, then how did it get done? Not a special board, I believe it was a 28pin 4K LOW board, standard EPROM, just not a 4K EPROM. Nothing special about it, except you can use cheaper EPROM's to make carts, 27C256 EPROM's are cheaper than 2732's and more reliable. I have never had access to Melody boards or the programmer needed to program them. EDIT: I have never attempted to make repros copy protected (ROM's are not mine to release, most of the time), although I have some ideas for 7800 carts that would make you scratch your eyes out before you figure out how to break it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 14, 2015 Share Posted November 14, 2015 Just push it back, no damage. I can most likely tell where the circuit board came from. Don't disassemble it, if you want your money back! Get a flathead screwdriver and insert it into the one of the side grooves adjacent to the card slot. This will open the hinged door and allow you to push back the dust flap. Do not attempt to disassemble the cart as it is impossible to access the screw hole without puncturing or peeling back the label. Check for a name printed on the PCB right behind the contacts. If the PCB is green, no name visible, and has a slightly beveled card edge, it is probably a vintage Atari PCB with an EPROM soldered in place of the Mask ROM. Most newly made PCBs have a sharper square edge. If there is a name imprinted on the solder mask, then it is a new PCB. AtariAge repros/homebrews will have AtariAge printed on it, except for advanced homebrews which use the Melody logo. CPUWIZ has his own boards, and Hozer has his own boards. Most fakes typically use Hozer boards or original Atari PCBs with EPROMs soldered in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Revolver Posted November 14, 2015 Author Share Posted November 14, 2015 Just filed a claim against these douchebag theh told me to wait till november 19 and see what the seller does if not its gonna escalate more and to call them back im pretty sure the seller ia gonna try to fight these 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totallyterrificpants Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I'm in Australia and when I saw the auctions a few weeks back for Red Sea Crossing and Gauntlet. I thought they were fakes. It seemed weird to me that someone in Australia would have these really rare games, especially RSC when something like 10 have been found so far, I believe. The ripped label and the very damaged Gauntlet label seemed to me like they were tampered with to give off the old look. Unfortunately people try to make money off fakes of rare games. A month ago I sold for Sega Mega Drive cart only Shining Force II, Mega Man The Wily Wars and Alien Soldier. Three hard to find games but are very possible to obtain and even then I had people questioning me on if they are real or not. They were real and the buyer even opened them up when he got them to confirm he had checked them and they had Sega boards in them etc. But unfortunately due to people like the Red Sea seller, you can't even find rare games without questioning them. Hopefully we can ban this seller. The fact over the last few months they have made thousands off bootlegs if enough to get them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I just sold a genuine Gauntlet chip, so at least someone is happy with a original, bonafide item heh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totallyterrificpants Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 How is Gauntlet as a game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+KaeruYojimbo Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 How is Gauntlet as a game? It's pretty decent, especially compared a lot of the other ultra rare games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergun Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 How is Gauntlet as a game? Yes, mayhem, that was actually me I was exstatic about finally getting it. It's actually a very challenging game. The graphics are above average, colorful and easy on the eyes. Musical tunes are good too. I like the tempo playing in the background, almost like an active hunt or chase is underway. The game has an obstacle course feeling to it, reminds me of Antarctic Adventure; another favorite of mine. I'm getting better at the game, but enjoying it as I go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Just filed a claim against these douchebag theh told me to wait till november 19 and see what the seller does if not its gonna escalate more and to call them back im pretty sure the seller ia gonna try to fight these Call them on the phone, I think you might be able to expedite the process with all the details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Revolver Posted November 15, 2015 Author Share Posted November 15, 2015 i did call ebay, they told me to wait till thursday for his response i have to wait no matter what, they told me im protected but either way i wanna get this guy banned but its gonna be hard . Ebay rep told me "well he has 100% positive feedback sir his good" im like f u. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 i did call ebay, they told me to wait till thursday for his response i have to wait no matter what, they told me im protected but either way i wanna get this guy banned but its gonna be hard . Ebay rep told me "well he has 100% positive feedback sir his good" im like f u. Well at least there is a good chance you may get reimbursed. Let this be a lesson though to always double check the authenticity of the items before purchase. Online purchases this is often hard to do sadly. It's sad that these scammers take advantage of innocent folk. Worse there are probably ten more collectors that bought his goods and don't even know they were duped. I've watched Pawn Stars enough to know people bring in fakes to the shop all the time. Gaming isn't so different from any other collecting hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totallyterrificpants Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 And then on Pawn Stars you can get $50 and a cup of M&M's for a copy of Eli's Ladder because they gotta make a profit lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Revolver Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 Haha his asking me to pay back the shipping, guys crazy smh yea ima pay $70 to ship to australia and then his asking to send back as he sent it, shit its a fake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 If you've filed a return, then the seller is expected to cover the cost of return shipping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supergun Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I can't even understand WHY the seller would want to have the buyer return the item?! The seller KNOWS it's a fake, and he can make another one for far less then $70. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Haha his asking me to pay back the shipping, guys crazy smh yea ima pay $70 to ship to australia and then his asking to send back as he sent it, shit its a fake. Well eBay should make the seller cover the return shipping. Even if you can't get a refund on shipping, taking a $70 loss is sure as hell better than a $700 loss. My two cents. If you do end up shipping it back, make photocopies of the USPS receipt and forward them to eBay resolution center. They should reimburse you for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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