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Wow, four years of silence and some very cool news.  Nice work @Supergun!

 

There were two versions, right, one with stick and one trackball.  Does this fellow only have the joystick version?

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Currently, there are two known owners of Marble Madness 2 arcade machines. The first in California and a second in Florida. There was also a third person who had just a board set, but it “disappeared” a while back.

 

It is unclear wether the rom set that the MAME team has came from dumping the roms from one of the arcade cabinets or from the board set. But it had to have come from one of these 3 sources.

 

All of the above information is public knowledge, and has been for a long time now.

 

I believe that pictures of the California cabinet have been posted as well, in the past, and if I recall correctly, it too had joysticks.

 

To be clear, the person from way back when, who offered to sell the rom data, was either the owner in California, the previous owner of the “lost” board set, the current owner of the lost board set, or the original owner of the Florida cabinet. (before the current owner in Florida came into possession of it.)

 

I exchanged phone numbers & emails with the current Florida owner while we were at the show. And he has communicated with (and continues to communicate with) the California owner about the game. So if/when he updates me from time to time on this, (and grants me permission to relay the information), then I will be happy to post it here.

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On 11/27/2019 at 12:46 AM, Supergun said:

Currently, there are two known owners of Marble Madness 2 arcade machines. The first in California and a second in Florida. There was also a third person who had just a board set, but it “disappeared” a while back.

 

It is unclear wether the rom set that the MAME team has came from dumping the roms from one of the arcade cabinets or from the board set. But it had to have come from one of these 3 sources.

 

All of the above information is public knowledge, and has been for a long time now.

 

I believe that pictures of the California cabinet have been posted as well, in the past, and if I recall correctly, it too had joysticks.

 

To be clear, the person from way back when, who offered to sell the rom data, was either the owner in California, the previous owner of the “lost” board set, the current owner of the lost board set, or the original owner of the Florida cabinet. (before the current owner in Florida came into possession of it.)

 

I exchanged phone numbers & emails with the current Florida owner while we were at the show. And he has communicated with (and continues to communicate with) the California owner about the game. So if/when he updates me from time to time on this, (and grants me permission to relay the information), then I will be happy to post it here.

The California owner has (had?) at least two, if not three copies. 

 

Scott's (first) joystick cabinet version made its debut at CA Extreme back in 2000. 

 

In January 2002, he mentioned acquiring a second Marble Man.

 

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April 2003 he posted about his "latest find", a Marble Man with Trackballs.

 

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Scott's acquisition and build of his first Marble Madness II machine story is here.

 

More pictures (Including in-game) are at the bottom of this page.

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Thanks for the additional pics & info. As it proves that this game is far less rare then once imagined & much less elusive.

 

As I had clearly stated at the beginning of this thread.

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On 11/25/2019 at 8:03 AM, Tempest said:

So has the trackball version turned up then?  Who owns that one?

The owner has both joystick & trakball versions, I believe.

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On 11/24/2019 at 3:51 AM, Supergun said:

he will indeed be releasing the rom for the game.

 

This is one I'll believe when I see. The MAME team already had the rom from him for a private build as well as archival purposes so we'll see what happens.

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On 11/29/2019 at 4:22 PM, H.E.R.O. said:

This is one I'll believe when I see. The MAME team already had the rom from him for a private build as well as archival purposes so we'll see what happens.

I know, right ?  I'm a Huge Marble Madness fan from way back when... I even have an original Atari System 1 arcade cab with the Marble Madness kit (yes, the full arcade machine).

 

I have been watching this story for many years now. The rumors, and the appearances of the few known full cabs.  If this rom is released, i will be buying a kit so I can play it via MAME with a trackball. 

 

For me, it's one of those holy grail type things... It would be very big deal to have a copy of these roms to be able to FINALLY play it..

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Wow, thanks for all the updates and the news.

 

Looks its likes its getting closer to being available.

Great news for all the fans of marble type games, and of course, Atari.

 

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I played it at this years show and included it in my video. It's basically a more complex Marble Madness with a character. I'd prefer the use of a trak-ball over a joystick though.

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I really really want to play this game... Marble Madness (the first one) is one of my favorite arcade games (that isn't a shmup). I could listen to the practice race music for hours.

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I can't believe it: MMII might finally be getting a release! I remember reading up on the game many years ago, but I never thought we'd be this close to playing it.

 

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On 12/4/2019 at 1:45 PM, Tornadoboy said:

This is a great development, MMII is close to the top of my list of games known to still exist getting dumped!

Well, again, it's been dumped. The MAME team has it already for archival purposes under promise they don't release it (I guess until he permisses it so). I'm glad the owner is still planning on releasing it even after the whole Akka Arrh debacle.

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On 12/6/2019 at 7:05 AM, H.E.R.O. said:

Well, again, it's been dumped. The MAME team has it already for archival purposes under promise they don't release it (I guess until he permisses it so). I'm glad the owner is still planning on releasing it even after the whole Akka Arrh debacle.

Yeah I guess that's true and I really do take a lot of satisfaction with games knowing if nothing else it's in safe hands and not going to be forever lost like too many prototypes (cough cough... BOUNCER and VERTIGO), I look at these games as people's works of art and hate the idea of them simply being GONE. But hopefully now we get to PLAY this one! :D I always loved Marble Madness and no doubt this one would also have consumed an embarrassing amount of quarters from me if it had made the rounds at arcades! I can't believe it was dropped for instead releasing a generic steaming pile like Guardians of the Hood!!

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On 11/24/2019 at 3:51 AM, Supergun said:

he did however give me permission to report the most relevant piece of information, which is that he will indeed be releasing the rom for the game. Which is of course great for us Atari fans here.

 

 

EY YO YO YO YOOOOOO your saying that the rom is actually going to be released?! I Have been dying to play this game since I was 5 and I’m 14 now!!!!! OOOOOOOH I SEE THE HYPE TRAIN COMING!!!!!! What day is he releasing the rom tho?!?!

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It will be released within a year. A few other things are being done & need to be finished first. So if by next years show, it hasn’t happened, I will personally remind him of what he told me this year.

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19 minutes ago, Supergun said:

It will be released within a year. A few other things are being done & need to be finished first. So if by next years show, it hasn’t happened, I will personally remind him of what he told me this year.

Wait so your saying we have to wait till 2020?

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27 minutes ago, Supergun said:

It will be released within a year. A few other things are being done & need to be finished first. So if by next years show, it hasn’t happened, I will personally remind him of what he told me this year.

So next November the rom will be released? My birthday is on the 30th of November so I’ll be 15. Not to mention that my birthday was a few days ago so releasing the rom as a birthday present would be great! Tho I do have something to say. I have been wanting to play this game for like 9 years!! 9 years ago I was only 5 and yes I was into emulators and crap back then :) and you know all the people who were dying to play this too has been waiting for years. What I’m saying basically is that he should release it idk like in January or February 2020. But if we have to wait that long again it sounds like we gonna have to put a coming soon sign on the hype train I guess :( still will be a good birthday present tho 😃

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if you're waiting around for this game, and expecting a release date,

you're going to be disappointed.

 

best thing to do is just wait as usual, and if it comes out, then you can be happy.

 

trying to guess, or push a date along is never going to work.

 

i'm just glad akka arrh came out, because i never thought that would make it.

funny thing is people that waited for that game got excited for awhile, but you never

hear about it again.

 

the same things going to happen here. people will get excited for awhile, and then

will forget about it, and move onto other things.

 

later

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Yes, that is always the case. People tend to focus on the 1% of games that we don’t have access to, rather then the 99% that we do. It’s human nature. We seem to want what we can’t have. (since Adam & Eve with the forbidden fruit)

 

Now mind you, in this case, you have here a big Marble Madness fan who loved the original game and longs to play the sequel. So it means a little more to him then the average gamer. So I understand the enthusiasm.

 

But yes, with these things patience is key, but, more importantly, perspective is critical. It’s an unreleased game. Most of these games were unreleased for a reason. Just like most (ER) released games. They are ER for a reason. So don’t put too much time & focus on these 1%. Rather, play & enjoy the other 99% of games that are available & out there.

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1 hour ago, Supergun said:

Most of these games were unreleased for a reason.

Very true, some of them look interesting but are probably terrible as far as actual play, Tattoo Assassins being a good example in my opinion. I bet if Spy Hunter II hadn't been released and all we had was a few photos to go on people would be bouncing off the walls for it to get dumped, but we'd all be in for a rude awakening when it did :D And games like Crazy Otto are really nothing but versions of an already available game, just with different graphics and a few minor tweaks. 

Regardless I think ALL games deserved to be protected, though Marble Man to me anyway looks like a genuinely fun game.  

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2 hours ago, Supergun said:

Yes, that is always the case. People tend to focus on the 1% of games that we don’t have access to, rather then the 99% that we do. It’s human nature. We seem to want what we can’t have. (since Adam & Eve with the forbidden fruit)

 

Now mind you, in this case, you have here a big Marble Madness fan who loved the original game and longs to play the sequel. So it means a little more to him then the average gamer. So I understand the enthusiasm.

 

But yes, with these things patience is key, but, more importantly, perspective is critical. It’s an unreleased game. Most of these games were unreleased for a reason. Just like most (ER) released games. They are ER for a reason. So don’t put too much time & focus on these 1%. Rather, play & enjoy the other 99% of games that are available & out there.

So when the rom dose release. Where will you be sending it? I just sign up on this website yesterday and I wanted to know how things work out. Especially if he is giving the rom to you right?
 

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On 11/25/2019 at 6:25 AM, Supergun said:

Here are some pictures I took of the game at the show. (the quality is low in order to conserve bandwidth here, but the originals are available to anyone who wants to post them)

 

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I found the game to be excessively difficult; so much so that it kind of takes the fun out of it. But it has an insane number of levels and introduces several new gameplay elements & obstacles.

Also could you post a full play through of the game? I would like to see how hard it is to play the game because I dose not look so hard to me. I beat marble madness 1 like it was nothing and here is the link if you want to see it:https://youtu.be/4XrfBKCRU-w

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There aren't any full playthroughs.

The videos on youtube are these:

 

 

 

and this:

 

 

the mobile phone version had several exclusive levels that take elements of those,

and aren't that hard. but they are simplified:

 

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13 hours ago, Supergun said:

But yes, with these things patience is key, but, more importantly, perspective is critical. It’s an unreleased game. Most of these games were unreleased for a reason. Just like most (ER) released games. They are ER for a reason. So don’t put too much time & focus on these 1%. Rather, play & enjoy the other 99% of games that are available & out there.

I disagree, there's a ton of unreleased games that are fun:

Maze Invaders is one of new favorite atari games, that i never knew about.

 

Maybe the companies had financial troubles, maybe the companies couldn't convince the publisher to release them.

 

Some are just prototypes, that didn't get the final polish.

 

I don't care for graphic clones, or different sprites, that's not much for unreleased games. 

But versions where the gameplay differs, or the difficulty level is different are fine for me.

 

I know a lot of games go through different versions even after they are released,

so that's why its important for prototypes, and lost games to be checked out.

 

later

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