opcode Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Right now I have to deal with all your good people that have caused my paypal to freeze so I can't refund anyone.. Not true. You can still refund using a frozen account. I just can't make payments or transfer to a bank account. Basically you can't use the money. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPR Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Not true. You can still refund using a frozen account. I just can't make payments or transfer to a bank account. Basically you can't use the money. What? You mean Juice is LYING?!?!? REALLY?!?!? Even Batman is SHOCKED by this news! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youki Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 May be he simply do not have enough money outside paypal account to be able to refund people . So he would need the fund in paypal account to refound but he can not use it because the account is frozon. It is easy to accuse people without knowing his real situation. I don't know him, but it could be a possibility. no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iesposta Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 May be he simply do not have enough money outside paypal account to be able to refund people . So he would need the fund in paypal account to refound but he can not use it because the account is frozon. It is easy to accuse people without knowing his real situation. I don't know him, but it could be a possibility. no? "You can still refund buyers from a frozen account." Who wants to send me theirs for a "refund" from me? I want to try my switch on/off at the speech amp idea. (Everyone that is unsatisfied is probably hoping for a refund plus getting to keep the SGM.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (Everyone that is unsatisfied is probably hoping for a refund plus getting to keep the SGM.) I hope NOBODY is thinking that. ..Al 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+evg2000 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 "You can still refund buyers from a frozen account." Who wants to send me theirs for a "refund" from me? I want to try my switch on/off at the speech amp idea. (Everyone that is unsatisfied is probably hoping for a refund plus getting to keep the SGM.) If you get one and make the mod I hope you are willing to share so we can also make the mod. Anyone have any idea how many of these actually made it into peoples hands? I'm guessing no more than 20 or 30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikrananka Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I hope NOBODY is thinking that. ..Al Certainly not me - no way I will ever want to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opcode Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 May be he simply do not have enough money outside paypal account to be able to refund people . So he would need the fund in paypal account to refound but he can not use it because the account is frozon. It is easy to accuse people without knowing his real situation. I don't know him, but it could be a possibility. no? Nope, a limited account can still refund. As a matter of fact, refunding everybody is usually a possible solution to get your PayPal account back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenegg Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 Nope, a limited account can still refund. As a matter of fact, refunding everybody is usually a possible solution to get your PayPal account back to normal. But the refund needs to come from somewhere, right? What Youki was saying is that maybe he doesn't have money to actually have a refund processed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyghee Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Disconnecting power to the amp used to boost the speech chip in my educated guess should silence the noise and it would be exactly like the SGM. Adding a switch there should re-enable the speech (and unfortunately the noise). That's a simple, easy fix (if I'm right) and could have satisfied most, instead of the seller's denials and such. I did something similar. A swich can bypass the amp. If the amp is turnes off this way, the sound is crystal clear without any distorting noises. Of course, the speech sytheziser isn't working any more, but the SGM sound chip is fine. Edit: here is a photo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sxxflixvovy1m57/2016-02-21%2000.38.01.jpg?dl=0 Edited February 20, 2016 by andyghee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I hope NOBODY is thinking that. ..Al Exactly! That and stealing is the same thing. If your SGM is defective and you want a refund, send it back to Fred. DO NOT KEEP IT unless you're not planning on requesting a refund! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iesposta Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Is this a cut trace? So just cut one trace and solder a jumper wire, and it is a ColecoVision memory expansion with sound chip (SGM).Add a 3 wire switch and it's a silent SGM, or SGM plus speech chip (with amplified bus activity noise). I did something similar. A swich can bypass the amp. If the amp is turns off this way, the sound is crystal clear without any distorting noises. Of course, the speech sytheziser isn't working any more, but the SGM sound chip is fine. Edit: here is a [high res] photo:https://www.dropbox.com/s/sxxflixvovy1m57/2016-02-21%2000.38.01.jpg?dl=0 Photos by andyghee. Don't forget to cut the metal trace (shown in blue): Quiet SGM (no speech) fix: Quiet SGM (no speech) with switch to enable speech synth chip (will have bus noise): Edited February 21, 2016 by iesposta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyghee Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Is this a cut trace? Yes, I cut the output from the amp. Then you have to bridge the two resistors since the audio from the output is no longer amplified. It should look like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xw0ll7bttwvcqoy/WithSwitch.jpg?dl=0 Or, if you want to disable the speech chip permantently without a switch: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6632skxtmgvx6v5/WithoutSwitch.jpg?dl=0 (By the way, how do I post picturtes here? Haven't figured out so far.) Andy Edited February 21, 2016 by andyghee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLic0ne t0aD Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) More reply options, then select/upload file, add to post, finally post/submit :-) Edited February 21, 2016 by SiLic0ne t0aD85 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyghee Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 More reply options, then select/upload file, add to post, finally post/submit :-) Thanks. I missed the "More reply options" butten. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyghee Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 (edited) Ok, here's what it looks like with the switch installed in the famicom case. For me this is a good solution. Nobody needs the speech chip by now and I doubt that there will be games supporting it in the future. Until I'll hopefully obtain an opcode SGM in the third run the juicebox can do the job. I would recomment this easy mod to everyone who wants to keep their juicebox. Andy Edited February 21, 2016 by andyghee 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+evg2000 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 So what would you do if you wanted to add a jack where you could send voice to a different set of speakers? That way maybe the voice would be clear as when as game sounds and music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyghee Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 So what would you do if you wanted to add a jack where you could send voice to a different set of speakers? That way maybe the voice would be clear as when as game sounds and music? I think you can tap speech audio at this spot: Not sure if it is nessessary to cut the trace, should be better not to interfere with the rest af the audio. but nevertheless speech audio has to be amplified in some way, which will most likely boost the static noise as well. So I dont't know if this is a solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+evg2000 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I think you can tap speech audio at this spot: Tap Audio here.jpg Not sure if it is nessessary to cut the trace, should be better not to interfere with the rest af the audio. but nevertheless speech audio has to be amplified in some way, which will most likely boost the static noise as well. So I dont't know if this is a solution. I thought maybe bypass that old 80 technology might reduce the noise Really I was wondering if the speech was amplified off board if it would still affect the audio going to the tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyghee Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 I thought maybe bypass that old 80 technology might reduce the noise Really I was wondering if the speech was amplified off board if it would still affect the audio going to the tv. The question is if the noise is already in the speech signal (and I guess it is) or if it is added later on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotOOntHeMooN Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 The question is if the noise is already in the speech signal (and I guess it is) or if it is added later on. The noise come from the Colecovision and it is amplified by the audio amp, while mixing the AY with the SP chip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+evg2000 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 The noise come from the Colecovision and it is amplified by the audio amp, while mixing the AY with the SP chip. So then sending audio to a different set of speakers might help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbai Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well, he's selling them on eBay again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COLECOVISION-JuiceBox-Cartridge-Fully-Compatible-with-The-Super-Game-Module-SGM-/182033750091 So the associated PayPal account is unfrozen, or how else can payments be accepted from PayPal for this listing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblenkle Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 And no mention of an audio problem in the product description...and he doesn't accept returns... Well, he's selling them on eBay again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/COLECOVISION-JuiceBox-Cartridge-Fully-Compatible-with-The-Super-Game-Module-SGM-/182033750091 So the associated PayPal account is unfrozen, or how else can payments be accepted from PayPal for this listing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikrananka Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 You should check out his feedback history. Same buyer has supposedly bought 6 of this modules, 5 within the past month, all with very suspicious gushing feedback emphasizing how they work perfectly without any problems!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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