Poll: More Intelllivision games more quickly?

[m-crew]

Hey DZ, how about handing me one of those personal copies... lol

[Rev]

 

The facts are that people rush to buy limited releases, but sit on the fence waiting when they think that there are 'unlimited copies'.

 

Just ask Rev why he doesn't have a copy of Christmas Carol.

I of course have the rom. :-)

 

But there was that time when Carol was available that a lot of games seemed to come out, busy work, and there was no fear of Carol selling out. Then all the sudden, as if overnight, it was sold out and copies were scarce and a few went on ebay for 100? Or something.

 

One day ill get it. Its the only major new game I don't have. Its kinda weird, but I like the idea of needing a game. The chase is fun. Yeah I'm weird.

[IntellivisionDude]

I of course have the rom. :-)

 

But there was that time when Carol was available that a lot of games seemed to come out, busy work, and there was no fear of Carol selling out. Then all the sudden, as if overnight, it was sold out and copies were scarce and a few went on ebay for 100? Or something.

 

One day ill get it. Its the only major new game I don't have. Its kinda weird, but I like the idea of needing a game. The chase is fun. Yeah I'm weird.

 

It's nice to know i finally have 1 up on Rev on something.

[DZ-Jay]

 

It's nice to know i finally have 1 up on Rev on something.

That's only because I sent you a free copy.

[IntellivisionDude]

That's only because I sent you a free copy.

 

Don't i know it.

[Games For Your Intellivision]

Perhaps it's because he rather not spend gougetastic prices for a copy on e-Bay...?

 

Christmas Carol sold 300 copies in just two years, which I think is exceptionally good indeed, especially in such a niche market. And that's following a stalled initial release, two recalls, and no wholesale deals. Remember, this is during the time when Space Patrol took five years to sell 200 copies.

 

It is true that we somewhat expected the game to be sold indefinitely, but things didn't quite work out that well. And Rev need not worry about missing out too much. If he really wants to play the game, I can make sure he does -- even if I have to hand him one of my personal copies.

 

-dZ.

 

Not wanting to buy on eBay for inflated prices is besides the point. The point I am making (and it is valid) is that when there are 'unlimited' copies available, or in the case of your game, perceived unlimited copies available, people don't make the purchase right away. They wait.

 

Perhaps you should make the game available again?

[DZ-Jay]

Not wanting to buy on eBay for inflated prices is besides the point. The point I am making (and it is valid) is that when there are 'unlimited' copies available, or in the case of your game, perceived unlimited copies available, people don't make the purchase right away. They wait.

And that's just human nature, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, which was my (also valid) point.

 

Perhaps you should make the game available again?

 

 

I could, but why? The game has run its course, and I have no intention on milking it. The ROM is available for free and flash-carts are coming so that people can continue enjoying the game on their consoles. I rather concentrate on new titles and maintaining control of my properties.

 

Well, that and also because you said you were going to destroy the rest of the boxes and collateral.

 

-dZ.

Edited December 30, 2015 by DZ-Jay

[Games For Your Intellivision]

And that's just human nature, I don't think there's anything wrong with that, which was my (also valid) point.

 

 

 

I could, but why? The game has run its course, and I have no intention on milking it. The ROM is available for free and flash-carts are coming so that people can continue enjoying the game on their consoles. I rather concentrate on new titles and maintaining control of my properties.

 

Well, that and also because you said you were going to destroy the rest of the boxes and collateral.

 

-dZ.

 

That is your choice. But then, you have nothing to complain about if the price of your game inflates as it is clear that 300 copies is not enough.

 

But yeah, I would personally just play the ROM myself on LTO Flash! as I don't own a copy of the game, just a manual.

[DZ-Jay]

 

That is your choice. But then, you have nothing to complain about if the price of your game inflates as it is clear that 300 copies is not enough.

 

But yeah, I would personally just play the ROM myself on LTO Flash! as I don't own a copy of the game, just a manual.

 

I can complain all I want, since the price is driven up by speculators, not people genuinely interested in playing the game. I still say that 300 is about what the market will bear for people actually wanting to play the games. As releases get more common, this number may even drop further.

 

As for those who want to play the game, I actively discourage them from purchasing an over-priced unit from speculators, and I do my very best to ensure they still get a chance to play the game. The upcoming flash-carts will make this easier.

 

-dZ.

Edited December 30, 2015 by DZ-Jay

[Games For Your Intellivision]

 

I can complain all I want, since the price is driven up by speculators, not people genuinely interested in playing the game. I still say that 300 is about what the market will bear for people actually wanting to play the games. As releases get more common, this number may even drop further.

 

As for those who want to play the game, I actively discourage them from purchasing an over-priced unit from speculators, and I do my very best to ensure they still get a chance to play the game. The upcoming flash-carts will make this easier.

 

-dZ.

 

 

Well, we will agree to disagree on who is buying the games from eBay. I don't believe they are speculators. They are people who want it in their collection.

 

The ROM only people already can play it if that is all they want to do.

[+boxpressed]

I think I'm one of the people Ianoid described in his earlier post. A few years ago, it just became too much to keep up with all of the homebrews for Colecovision, so I started to sell off most of those that I owned. I was buying only one of some titles, so I can't even imagine trying to buy two or three of each available title.

 

That said, I believe that publishers should release games whenever they are ready. Who can say when they will decide to move onto other ventures in their lives (like Intelligentvision)? Get the games while you can. There may come a day when washing dirty cartridge shells or folding game boxes will just not matter anymore to the people doing it now.

 

I had to ask myself, "How will my life be worse if I don't have a complete collection of Colecovision or Intellivision? How will it be better?" The answers were pretty obvious. Everyone is different, so all I can say is that I'm really glad that I made that call a few years ago.

[DZ-Jay]

 

 

Well, we will agree to disagree on who is buying the games from eBay. I don't believe they are speculators. They are people who want it in their collection.

 

The ROM only people already can play it if that is all they want to do.

 

You can't really be that dense. The people selling on eBay are the speculators. The few that are buying the game (if any) are the ones that would have gotten a copy if speculators did not buy 5 copies out of the 300 units originally made available.

 

Does that make sense now?

 

-dZ.

Edited December 30, 2015 by DZ-Jay

[Games For Your Intellivision]

 

You can't really be that dense. The people selling on eBay are the speculators. The few that are buying the game (if any) are the ones that would have gotten a copy if speculators did not buy 5 copies out of the 300 units originally made available.

 

Does that make sense now?

 

-dZ.

 

Obviously, you must be dense if you can't see that the so called speculators who are SELLING the game for an inflated price would have no market if more copies were available. How many people bought multiple copies to sell at an inflated price? I know of one, but the vast majority of people bought one copy of the game. There would be NO market for ANY speculator if the game was selling for $60 still. Just because you can't accept or get your mind around the fact that there are more than 300 people who are interested in owning a copy of your game is not my concern. It is clear to me that you are rationalizing more demand than you THINK should be there as mere 'speculators'. I know that if I owned a copy of your game, and it was selling for $150 US plus, I'd seriously consider selling it to buy two other games...especially since I can play the game on my LTO Flash!

 

I'd still be happily selling D2K if it didn't hurt my business deals. And, the people buying it wouldn't be speculators. I STILL have people asking for the game. Sure, Cmart has a bunch of copies, but I doubt he bought them to turn a profit. Some people like having multiple copies for whatever reason......trading.....giving away to friends...who knows?

 

You've made it quite clear that you don't like people speculating on the hobby. You can't do anything about people speculating on other games, but you could surely absolutely shut down any speculation on your game by making it available again at your $60 price. If you don't, you have nothing to say when people sell the game at a high price. And, telling people they shouldn't buy it at an inflated price does little to stop it if you won't sell them a copy at its original price.

[DZ-Jay]

 

Obviously, you must be dense if you can't see that the so called speculators who are SELLING the game for an inflated price would have no market if more copies were available. How many people bought multiple copies to sell at an inflated price? I know of one, but the vast majority of people bought one copy of the game. There would be NO market for ANY speculator if the game was selling for $60 still. Just because you can't accept or get your mind around the fact that there are more than 300 people who are interested in owning a copy of your game is not my concern. It is clear to me that you are rationalizing more demand than you THINK should be there as mere 'speculators'. I know that if I owned a copy of your game, and it was selling for $150 US plus, I'd seriously consider selling it to buy two other games...especially since I can play the game on my LTO Flash!

 

I'd still be happily selling D2K if it didn't hurt my business deals. And, the people buying it wouldn't be speculators. I STILL have people asking for the game. Sure, Cmart has a bunch of copies, but I doubt he bought them to turn a profit. Some people like having multiple copies for whatever reason......trading.....giving away to friends...who knows?

 

You've made it quite clear that you don't like people speculating on the hobby. You can't do anything about people speculating on other games, but you could surely absolutely shut down any speculation on your game by making it available again at your $60 price. If you don't, you have nothing to say when people sell the game at a high price. And, telling people they shouldn't buy it at an inflated price does little to stop it if you won't sell them a copy at its original price.

 

In spite of what you are suggesting, I don't see a bee-line for copies of Carol. The demand has been a trickle, which is why some of those copies are still up on e-Bay. Five more copies to sell does not inspire a new production run.

 

OK, then, let's say I want to revive production. Send me those boxes that you were planning to destroy. I know there were more than 300 copies in your print run. I'll pay shipping.

Edited December 30, 2015 by DZ-Jay

[Rev]

 

In spite of what you are suggesting, I don't see a bee-line for copies of Carol. The demand has been a trickle, which is why some of those copies are still up on e-Bay. Five more copies to sell does not inspire a new production run.

 

OK, then, let's say I want to revive production. Send me those boxes that you were planning to destroy. I know there were more than 300 copies in your print run. I'll pay shipping.

I see good things here! Willy and Dz uniting together for a brief time to get those boxes out to dz and ultimately to get a second run of Carol out to the people, Like me. Guys lets make this happen!

 

A rekindled flame will burn for eternity.

[Opry99er]

 

 

But fear not! I have amassed around 1,000 shells. Even after the last batch of games sent out.

 

cart dominoes?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFEXheTIthE

 

AWESOME!!!

[Rev]

AWESOME!!!

Haha. You just seen that. Cool. I was bored that night. My kids asked me recently to do another one. I have more shells than that. Around 1000? I think.

[Opry99er]

Yea, I hadn't been following the thread.

[Opry99er]

 

In spite of what you are suggesting, I don't see a bee-line for copies of Carol. The demand has been a trickle, which is why some of those copies are still up on e-Bay. Five more copies to sell does not inspire a new production run.

 

OK, then, let's say I want to revive production. Send me those boxes that you were planning to destroy. I know there were more than 300 copies in your print run. I'll pay shipping.

 

Boxes coming to DZ.... Could we see a small reissue?

[wolfy62]

 

You can't really be that dense. The people selling on eBay are the speculators. The few that are buying the game (if any) are the ones that would have gotten a copy if speculators did not buy 5 copies out of the 300 units originally made available.

 

Does that make sense now?

 

-dZ.

You may not realize it, but you say very mean things at times.

[+GroovyBee]

Obviously, you must be dense if you can't see that the so called speculators who are SELLING the game for an inflated price would have no market if more copies were available. How many people bought multiple copies to sell at an inflated price? I know of one, but the vast majority of people bought one copy of the game. There would be NO market for ANY speculator if the game was selling for $60 still.

Nope! Copies of Halo on the 2600 have sold for 100s of dollars on ebay whilst its still available from the AA store for $30. Speculators sometimes take advantage of other peoples lack of knowledge regarding game availability.

[+intellivotion]

(...) My kids asked me recently to do another one. I have more shells than that. Around 1000? I think.

We should always listen to what kids say, and then publish the video on the forum

Edited December 31, 2015 by intellivotion

[DZ-Jay]

You may not realize it, but you say very mean things at times.

 

Perhaps you didn't see who I was responding to?

[Black_Tiger]

I'm just looking forward to more high quality/polished new games. Whether they are modest or ambitious in scope, I'd rather wait five years for a game to be done right than get a good-enough version of the author's vision in a single year.

 

With that said, I'm also still interested in expanded versions of newer games, like what D2K is.

[Games For Your Intellivision]

 

In spite of what you are suggesting, I don't see a bee-line for copies of Carol. The demand has been a trickle, which is why some of those copies are still up on e-Bay. Five more copies to sell does not inspire a new production run.

 

OK, then, let's say I want to revive production. Send me those boxes that you were planning to destroy. I know there were more than 300 copies in your print run. I'll pay shipping.

 

That is true. There were more than 300 copies. Before I left Canada, I told Joe that I was going to dump the Carol boxes. He asked me to send him some. If I remember correctly, I sent him about 125 in a box and there are about another 125 in another box that are sitting at Scott Nudds' house that I never got around to mailing. The remainder were dumped in the recycling bin.

 

As far as I know, they are Left Turn Only property. I'd be happy to send them to you if Joe says it is OK. Or, you can make a deal with Joe to produce some more. I'm positive he could do another 100-150 without those additional boxes.