Pipercub Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Kickstarter relies primarily on people reporting bad actors rather than trying very hard to pre-emptively filter them What, like Sean Penn? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) The 80's just called, they said they wanted their Coleco back. Edited February 26, 2016 by phoenixdownita 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdee Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Since this is turning out to be a no-news day, here's a retrospective on the infamoud Game.com handheld: http://gcom.oldergames.com/gcomiv.htm One quote stood out: my memory of the system wasn't too good, but I recall they made all the typical mistakes a company new to video games can make: they cheaped out on hardware, treated their developers like crap so nobody wanted to do a second game for them, paid everybody late, and never advertised their product. It was like working for Atari all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raticon Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 That might also explain how Triverse seems to have some inside knowledge of today's disaster, even though he's carefully not said anything. Indeed. He hinted that he would be involved with Coleco for a magazine about them... The speculation gets deeper! Is good ol' Triverse in the know? NDA? Black magic? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 The system is almost entirely automated, ... Kickstarter relies primarily on people reporting bad actors rather than trying very hard to pre-emptively filter them. Basically if your campaign breaks any rules and gets passed the filters, there's a strong possibility of it being canceled. I don't see this as a significant advantage for Mike, since once the KS is live, people will be reporting him left and right. He'll get dozens, if not hundreds, of reports the first day. KS will of course have to review that, if they care at all, which I think they do. If Mike takes this live, there is no way around defending his prototype to Kickstarter. I think that's the main reason it's not live right now. The only question in my mind is if Mike made the call himself or had a lawyer tape his mouth shut. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Indeed. He hinted that he would be involved with Coleco for a magazine about them... The speculation gets deeper! Is good ol' Triverse in the know? NDA? Black magic? Triverse stated that he would reveal all in an exposé once the Kickstarter launched. But without the Kickstarter going live, Triverse is still under personal, moral, or legal obligation not to disclose stuff? Confused... Another idea is perhaps Triverse smelled the BS but was waiting for Mike Kennedy to make the opening move before he played his. Kinda like a chess match. I'll break. Pawn to D4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimglam Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Getting email notifications for this thread may have been a mistake... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chocobro Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I don't see this as a significant advantage for Mike, since once the KS is live, people will be reporting him left and right. He'll get dozens, if not hundreds, of reports the first day. KS will of course have to review that, if they care at all, which I think they do. If Mike takes this live, there is no way around defending his prototype to Kickstarter. I think that's the main reason it's not live right now. The only question in my mind is if Mike made the call himself or had a lawyer tape his mouth shut. Yeah I don't think it is an advantage for them at all, it might even be the primary reason it isn't happening today. If the Toy Fair prototype really is the only prototype, KS would probably pull the plug and that would look worse than delaying the launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RupanIII Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 welll, actuallly... Didn't Coleco.com have a little corner of their page dedicated to the Chameleon coming in 2016 once? If so, that ain't there now! I'm not 100% sure I saw that, anyone else have a vague recollection? Since this is a "speculation" thread, I think that it's not unreasonable to start speculating on "WTF happened"!Here's my guess ... I suspect that River West got cold feet about the negative publicity and the potential damage to the Coleco brand, especially after the "fraud" at the Toy Fair, and they yanked the Coleco license away from Mike a few days ago.The "fraud" gives them perfect reason to do so, and to totally come out smelling-of-roses as the guys that protected a beloved American brand from the charlatan that had fooled them into letting him almost ruin it.That might also explain how Triverse seems to have some inside knowledge of today's disaster, even though he's carefully not said anything.Just total speculation ... but that was what this thread was set up for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Mike doesn't live too far away from me, it is only 1:30pm here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenegg Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Mike doesn't live too far away from me, it is only 1:30pm here. While there's still a good amount of the day left, being completely silent is a really weird choice. It's not surprising people are thinking something's up, especially since someone is still deleting messages on FB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Getting email notifications for this thread may have been a mistake... You think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 IMHO, this kickstarter already failed before it even started.But of course we've all been saying that already.Carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Since this is a "speculation" thread, I think that it's not unreasonable to start speculating on "WTF happened"! Here's my guess ... I suspect that River West got cold feet about the negative publicity and the potential damage to the Coleco brand, especially after the "fraud" at the Toy Fair, and they yanked the Coleco license away from Mike a few days ago. The "fraud" gives them perfect reason to do so, and to totally come out smelling-of-roses as the guys that protected a beloved American brand from the charlatan that had fooled them into letting him almost ruin it. That might also explain how Triverse seems to have some inside knowledge of today's disaster, even though he's carefully not said anything. Just total speculation ... but that was what this thread was set up for. Indeed. He hinted that he would be involved with Coleco for a magazine about them... The speculation gets deeper! Is good ol' Triverse in the know? NDA? Black magic? Triverse stated that he would reveal all in an exposé once the Kickstarter launched. But without the Kickstarter going live, Triverse is still under personal, moral, or legal obligation not to disclose stuff? Confused... Another idea is perhaps Triverse smelled the BS but was waiting for Mike Kennedy to make the opening move before he played his. Kinda like a chess match. I'll break. Pawn to D4. Well triverse liked every and each of these posts .... hopefully he can tell us when he can tell us something about what happened, and maybe he can tell us why he couldn't tell us before. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I like emulators. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Since this is a "speculation" thread, I think that it's not unreasonable to start speculating on "WTF happened"! Here's my guess ... I suspect that River West got cold feet about the negative publicity and the potential damage to the Coleco brand, especially after the "fraud" at the Toy Fair, and they yanked the Coleco license away from Mike a few days ago. The "fraud" gives them perfect reason to do so, and to totally come out smelling-of-roses as the guys that protected a beloved American brand from the charlatan that had fooled them into letting him almost ruin it. That might also explain how Triverse seems to have some inside knowledge of today's disaster, even though he's carefully not said anything. Just total speculation ... but that was what this thread was set up for. As speculation goes, this sounds pretty plausible to me ... except for the complete silence. Someone needs to step forward and say something. As Mike/Parrothead said on December 23, 2015: "It was time for us to establish a new identity for this product moving forward and that was one of the main goals of the press release. We are having a variety of ongoing conversations with companies and people who are working with us in various capacities on this project and we've stopped referring to it as the RVGS. It was something that needed to be done." Just change RVGS to Coleco Chameleon and you're done. If your speculation is correct, my faith (if not my trust) in COLECO is somewhat restored. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 While there's still a good amount of the day left, being completely silent is a really weird choice. It's not surprising people are thinking something's up, especially since someone is still deleting messages on FB. Why? He knows damn well that everyone is just waiting to pummel him on KS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raticon Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I like emulators. Shut up. Cartridges! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Why? He knows damn well that everyone is just waiting to pummel him on KS. Not like it isn't 100 percent justified though. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) I like emulators. Shut up. Cartridges! Feh. Tapes! Edited February 26, 2016 by Inky 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Feh. Tapes! Feh, PunchCards! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenegg Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Why? He knows damn well that everyone is just waiting to pummel him on KS. He has a bunch of followers on FB who are actually interested in the project and have been asking for an update. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipercub Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) As speculation goes, this sounds pretty plausible to me ... except for the complete silence. Someone needs to step forward and say something. As Mike/Parrothead said on December 23, 2015: "It was time for us to establish a new identity for this product moving forward and that was one of the main goals of the press release. We are having a variety of ongoing conversations with companies and people who are working with us in various capacities on this project and we've stopped referring to it as the RVGS. It was something that needed to be done." Just change RVGS to Coleco Chameleon and you're done. If your speculation is correct, my faith (if not my trust) in COLECO is somewhat restored. Yeah, yeah, we felt we had to make a branding move and Fairchild has been courting us for months now so were making the change to revitalize the Channel F brand by making a very personal console with colors and controllers customized to the buyer, we call it the F You. Edited February 26, 2016 by Pipercub 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretthorror Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 If I was a betting man, my money is on elmer's theory. Coleco pulls the plug, Mike is completely screwed, yet is insane enough to tend to and delete comments. Triverse being cryptic is tied to elmer's guess like glue. And if there's one thing elmer knows, it's glue. Or else I'm totally wrong. Either way. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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