Clint Thompson Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 According to the Internet: "Sales engineers sell complex scientific and technological products or services to businesses. They must have extensive knowledge of the products' parts and functions and must understand the scientific processes that make these products work." That's some bastardization of the word engineer. ..Al So what you're really trying to say is that this guy has to know what's going into a product and how and why it works, not to have any confusion as to why a SNES board found its way into a Jaguar shell. Right. Gotcha! 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csonicgo Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Could have been worse. Could have been wanking. Hey, If it pays the bills... Hey, it also looks like he deleted a couple tweets. Look at the numbers between the two pictures. Wow. Deleting tweets never works. If someone has a desktop Twitter client and follows him, those tweets are archived and are going absolutely nowhere. I'm starting to feel actual pity for these guys right now. A Mr. T kind of pity. Edited March 3, 2016 by Csonicgo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atm94404 Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Got it. Thanks. Looked up the company. So "sales engineer of material products handling" is a bullshit way of saying he sells industrial shelves and bins. A shelf salesman. Building the next video game console. Perfect. 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 According to the Internet: "Sales engineers sell complex scientific and technological products or services to businesses. They must have extensive knowledge of the products' parts and functions and must understand the scientific processes that make these products work." That's some bastardization of the word engineer. ..Al It is kind of a lame usage, but is nevertheless common in the tech sector. Prior to my current primary job (where I'm unequivocally labeled a Technical Writer), I was given a title of "Pre-sales Engineer" at the previous company I worked for. My primary role was providing technical and marketing materials support for the C-level executives and sales staff. I never did care for that title, but it supposedly aligned best with my particular role in that company according to the individual who decided to change it from Technical Writer. In any case, I never put much stock in someone's title. It's not always reflective of what they actually do. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dissident Aggressor Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Wow. Deleting tweets never works. If someone has a desktop Twitter client and follows him, those tweets are archived and are going absolutely nowhere. No wait. My mistake. I misread it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Respectuflly, John DeLorean smuggling drugs is nothing like the RVGS/Chameleon campaign. The potential crime would have been if he defrauded the masses to bring the car to fruition. If a DeLorean vendor knew something was fishy but kept going (or even fought against detractors), people might think she was "perpretratin' the fraud" too. Feel free to skip to the last paragraph, where I lay out why I think some of these folks need calling out. Let's say this is the perfect car that the average, every-day guy wants: the-homer-inline21.jpg Normally, Homer takes his back-of-napkin design to a company and they either turn him down or they make a product: homer21.jpg In the show Powell Motors made the $83,000 car, couldn't sell any of them, and subsequently went bankrupt. But for this analogy, we'll call that "The Homer IndieGogo Campaign". Very little money was put up. Vendors were lined up to make the proprietary equipment such as the bubble domes and spoiler. Then someone over at AutoAge.com starts takes a look at the design and: And he starts a post at AutoAge.com. Heck, he may even be intrigued by the concept. After all, Homer asks if people remember a time when cars had big engines and simpler electronics. "It's not like today where your radio may fail because something is wrong with your wiper motor. Simpler times... plus think of that rumble of the big engine you or your father had when you were a teen." But over the months, things start sounding odd--and really, who wants shag carpet in their car today anyway? The price will be ridiculous. But hey, he's released new renders of what the car will look like in different colors: TheHomerColors.jpg Some websites pick it up. Maybe he gets lucky and Jalopnik (Gawker) and Autoblog (AOL) run a general piece and generates more interest. No details beyond what Homer offers, and no desire from the authors to look farther. With more fanfare comes more scrutiny. An aerodynamics expert says the spoiler will make it impossible to drive at highway speeds. He should know, as he was asked to design the hulking thing. There's questions about Homer even being able to fulfill his promises at even that high cost. More people start picking away at the design and asking for details, like specifics on the engine and transmission. One vendor--the hornmaker--sees mounting evidence that something is not right and publicly dumps his thoughts. Homer comes on to AutoAge and responds angrily to both him and and the aerodynamic engineer; the vendor finds himself not a Homer vendor anymore. The engineer never thought he was in the loop to begin with. That's okay, because the feelings all-around were mutual. Then another vendor--who also has a YouTube show on autos--starts coming out against the people on AutoAge.com and elsewhere. He claims inside knowledge and says less-than-nice things about the detractors. He even produces what is essentially a "The Homer" infomercial, and only reveals fifty minutes in that his company will produce the bubble domes for the car. Note he says "at cost", but even that could include peoples' salaries. It's not like they're going to take a loss. Other youtubers and websites perhaps join in with promoting The Homer (or at least not inquiring further), despite the idea that there are more questions than answers. There's also the idea that a lot of people could end up with empty pockets and no car, even if Homer is sincere about his dream. Even very successful crowdfunding campaigns by honest people can fail when it's production time. IndieGoGo happens. Details are never given and the motor will be a Yugo three-cylinder, one horn instead of three, and no spoiler at all. It takes stretch goals to get the big V12 motor, three horns and the awesome spoiler. As expected, IGG fails. Weeks pass, and out-of-the-blue we hear Homer has a new brand: The Edsel. Much fanfare is given on websites ("The Edsel is Back!"), again with asking few questions. Speculation is rampant, with a lot of it simply not being corrected by Homer. You see, it's not really lying if someone else says something incorrect. If AutoBlog writes that it'll run on water, they can't trace that back to Homer, right? *nudgenudgewinkwink* All along, though, it seems like it may be a legitimate product. Perhaps Homer learned and wouldn't dare make the same mistakes twice. We would learn if in his shoes, wouldn't we? The answers are so clear--just be clear. Be honest. Don't tell us it'll have a giant motor and give us a three-banger. Surely even Homer can't mess this up. He apologized. Clean slate. The vendors are understandably more cautious this time around. It still looks like it could become a legitimate product, and AutoFair is right around the corner. Prototype, baby! Let the conspiracy theory debuffing begin! We all know what happens at AutoFair as well as with the next "prototype". I fully understand its each person's choice. If someone wants to fund The Homer IGG campaign, its his or her responsibility. But I'm not sure that should let influencers off the hook. It doesn't mean they have to be lynched or pilloried or even owe apologies. It just means that maybe next time we look at them with the same scrutiny as we do the next awesome crowdfunding campaign. Simple as that. Quoted because this is just too priceless! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 It is kind of a lame usage . . . Related links: asusequity.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/why-i-dont-say-lame/ nicolagriffith.com/2011/07/11/lame-is-so-gay-a-rant/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 It is kind of a lame usage, but is nevertheless common in the tech sector. Prior to my current primary job (where I'm unequivocally labeled a Technical Writer), I was given a title of "Pre-sales Engineer" at the previous company I worked for. My primary role was providing technical and marketing materials support for the C-level executives and sales staff. I never did care for that title, but it supposedly aligned best with my particular role in that company according to the individual who decided to change it from Technical Writer. In any case, I never put much stock in someone's title. It's not always reflective of what they actually do. Yeah, I'm not knocking Mike's job (and let's stop going down that road, as that will just get personal and ugly), just an interesting job title. I agree that titles don't often represent what someone actually does, and that can work both ways. Sometimes titles are used to make something sound more glorious than it is. Other times the job is way cooler than a title may make it out to be. ..Al 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Sometimes titles are used to make something sound more glorious than it is. "custodial engineer" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Random Terrain Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 "custodial engineer" 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutsy Doodleheimer Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I'm starting to feel actual pity for these guys right now. A Mr. T kind of pity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3-rg Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Found an old RVGS tweet that made me chuckle given what's happened: https://twitter.com/ASSYRIAN_WUMBO/status/638530277594243072 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 unpaid.jpg Man, that pic is really old, I have twice the amount of posts by now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazball Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Making a console is tough, it always has been. So much engineering, developer relations and money involved for a mass market device to succeed its insane. The shells are your last concern. I simply think that Mike assumed this to be very simple and easy thing to do but when reality hit and he saw that he doesnt have that engineering knowledge, those relations or the money he decided to fake and lie his way forward and hope that it would work out in the end instead of admitting that he had no money, no engineering and no developer relations and throw in the towel. I agree with everything you wrote except the last part. Since Mike has cowardly been avoiding any real public statements, especially here on these forums, we don't know that he has "thrown in the towel" or what his plan of action is. He may very well want to come back with a round 4. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 As they say in silicon valley, "fail faster." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Monkey Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 It would be terrible if Mike's prototype got damaged in transit to the Coleco engineer's lab... Right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutsy Doodleheimer Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emdkay Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) While we're basically in a lull waiting for Coleco to "inspect" the latest "prototype", here's some gold I found on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RegularNintendo/status/705286676705185792 Edited March 3, 2016 by emdkay 31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) Probably there were some problems with the project. Then he cheated a bit and tried to hide them to gain time, still believing in the project. Then the next problem came, and he couldn't just be honest anymore due to his initially cheating. So he went further and further into this bad direction. He wouldn't be the first doing so. But eventually he must have realized that he was doing wrong and that the project was doomed. And then he failed again and miserable by knowingly continuing what had become a scam. That's was step which now defines his character. I would have liked to see the project pause when it encountered a problem. Instead it seems like it was being pushed along and forced to meet deadlines. Deadlines that were artificially imposed. And then eventually skip and gloss over them with fake hardware. Hoping. Hoping for what? STOP! STOP! Go back a step and fix the issue. Yes it may take time. And yes it is absolutely ok. It's not like we're launching a Voyager 2 mission to the outer planets where certain things absolutely must happen on time. They have a housing, and it can't be that hard to put some hardware in it. Just use a development board or one of the existing mini computers for under $50.00 All this recent deception was unnecessary. Edited March 3, 2016 by Keatah 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 I never put much stock in someone's title. It's not always reflective of what they actually do. Mike Kennedy, President. Mike is an entrepreneur through and through 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Csonicgo Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Related links: Short-eating and cow-having still okay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 It would be terrible if Mike's prototype got damaged in transit to the Coleco engineer's lab... Right? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Just wait and see. Hopefully when everything is properly vetted, you guys will change your tunes and support this awesome product and the games on the system and give it a fair shake. Blahh blahh blahh. Ohh I'm shake'n it alright. Like right here _/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StopDrop&Retro Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 Eli from PikoInteractive will be on Sega Nerds Podcast tomorrow. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted March 3, 2016 Share Posted March 3, 2016 You missed the joke, I was making fun of Al for spelling 'talking' as 'walking'. Indeed. Too much foreign language around for attention to details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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