Glimglam Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Given this delay, it's possible that Mike finally saw the light, and realized that going through with the Kickstarter after that Toy Fair fiasco (and the subsequent Facebook censorship) would be akin to painting a target on himself and screaming "shoot me!" And thus, decided it wasn't worth the headache and (further) humiliation if (more like "when") Kickstarter boots them off the site, after getting flooded with the inevitable reports of fraud. It's wishful thinking, sure, but at least it'd finally be over... Until they reveal that sweet deal that Indiegogo and/or GoFundMe made them, of course. I mean, I won't say I'm not disappointed. I had a pizza ordered and everything... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Pretty sure Riverwest Brands Coleco doesn't care for the brand as long as it used, since its a metric for Trademarking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannacek Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I don't see this as a significant advantage for Mike, since once the KS is live, people will be reporting him left and right. He'll get dozens, if not hundreds, of reports the first day. KS will of course have to review that, if they care at all, which I think they do. If Mike takes this live, there is no way around defending his prototype to Kickstarter. I think that's the main reason it's not live right now. The only question in my mind is if Mike made the call himself or had a lawyer tape his mouth shut. Mike thought he could trick people into believing the prototype was real, and then use the money to actually make it work after it was funded. Maybe he actually believes in this project and he doesn't want to admit he needs more time and money. Or maybe he just wants to take the money and run. It doesn't matter either way, because he is scamming people either way. I don't think Mike needs a lawyer to tell him its not a good idea to defraud people at the Toy Fair. If he did take the money and produced nothing, that is allowed under Kickstarter rules, so he wouldn't need a lawyer to do something that is 100% legal. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merendino Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) I think the saddest thing is that there are still people who are anxiously awaiting the Kickstarter to actually back it; people who avidly support Mike...who are being left out in the cold. It's like telling a huge room full of kids that they are all adopted and that Santa, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy all aren't real. IF Coleco has or does pull out of the deal I can see Mike filing lawsuits left and right to people who "slandered" his name and product, blaming them for the failure of the "console". Edited February 26, 2016 by Merendino 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cimerians Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 If your speculation is correct, my faith (if not my trust) in COLECO is somewhat restored. Same here, if I were River West, I'd pull the brand from him right now...........but whatever. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Teams Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Why? He knows damn well that everyone is just waiting to pummel him on KS. That's the point. He should have gotten the pummeling out of the way prior to the KS by confronting the questions head on. He's had plenty of time to do this, and his silence has only compounded his problem. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannacek Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Pretty sure Riverwest Brands Coleco doesn't care for the brand as long as it used, since its a metric for Trademarking It depends on how River West is getting paid. They will pull the brand deal if they don't get paid. Are they getting a flat fee for the license plus a royalty on every console and game sold? Are they just getting a royalty for every console or game sold? Did they receive a down payment when the deal was made? The truth is probably that the majority of their compensation is to be paid after the Kickstarter is funded from the Kickstarter funds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretthorror Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just to clarify... Mike is completely allowed to Kickstart funds to make a prototype. That's all he had to/has to do. I don't know why that was so hard for him if he lacked proto funds. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Well well well ..... does anybody think that the lack of KS and the silence up until now it's proof enough that it was a SNES-in-a-Jag? [although we may never know for sure unless triverse can dig that out] Edited February 26, 2016 by phoenixdownita 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just to clarify... Mike is completely allowed to Kickstart funds to make a prototype. That's all he had to/has to do. I don't know why that was so hard for him if he lacked proto funds. Yeah but how much money can you reasonably ask for spray paint and electrical tape? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Even if it turns out Mike is in neck deep, surely Steve Woita, Paul Wylie, Phil Adam, Ben Herman, and Steven J. Rosenbaum should have been at least generally aware. If not some of the them what the heck are they VP for? Edited February 26, 2016 by phoenixdownita 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Feh, PunchCards! Type-ins! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Even if it turns out Mike is in neck deep, surely Steve Woita, Paul Wylie, Phil Adam, Ben Herman, and Steven J. Rosenbaum should have been at least generally aware. If not some of the them what the heck are they VP for? I doubt they were ready for the 26th, if they had a working Prototype they would be pushing this into as many reviewers as they they could to push the Kick-starter Event Guessing they were hoping for last minute luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenegg Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just to clarify... Mike is completely allowed to Kickstart funds to make a prototype. That's all he had to/has to do. I don't know why that was so hard for him if he lacked proto funds. Not on Kickstarter he can't. https://www.kickstarter.com/rules He could have done that on IndieGoGo with the RetroVGS, but he decided that lying and misleading the community would be a better idea. It was suggested to him MANY times during that campaign that he should shut it down and create a new IndieGoGo campaign, with a significantly smaller goal, focused on getting a prototype created. The backer rewards could have been small things like stickers and such. After the photo was ready, he could come back with a campaign to build the final product. He ignored that advice and got it in his head that he could continue his lies and deceptions while hiding behind the Coleco brand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galax Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just to clarify... Mike is completely allowed to Kickstart funds to make a prototype. That's all he had to/has to do. I don't know why that was so hard for him if he lacked proto funds.Not on Kickstarter he can't. https://www.kickstarter.com/rules Yes he can, this is a big source of confusion it seems: https://www.kickstarter.com/rules/prototypes Projects that involve the development of physical products must feature explicit demos of working prototypes. While you can run a project focused on the creation of a prototype, you can't offer the product that is under development as a reward. To Kickstart the prototype the rewards couldn't be the actual console, but they could be T-shirts, Jag/cart shells, stickers, be on the podcast, whatever - basically donations and some fun stuff for the true believers to demonstrate their faith in the project. I think this would have been the way to go, it might have failed just as spectacularly though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Well well well ..... does anybody think that the lack of KS and the silence up until now it's proof enough that it was a SNES-in-a-Jag? [although we may never know for sure unless triverse can dig that out] It doesn't "prove" anything, but it fails to prove that it wasn't! Type-ins! Radio broadcasts! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Just to clarify... Mike is completely allowed to Kickstart funds to make a prototype. That's all he had to/has to do. I don't know why that was so hard for him if he lacked proto funds. But you see, if he were to do that now, it would only confirm everyone's suspicions that he isn't anywhere near being ready to fulfill what he was promising with the Chameleon; if he were, why raise funds for another prototype? What gets me is ... why didn't he just crowdfund a prototype openly and honestly shortly after acquiring the Jaguar molds, instead of faking two prototypes when he really had nothing? If he had only been more truthful and more transparent, things probably wouldn't have turned out like this. The project still might have failed, but he wouldn't have wrecked his credibility and his reputation in the process. Well well well ..... does anybody think that the lack of KS and the silence up until now it's proof enough that it was a SNES-in-a-Jag? [although we may never know for sure unless triverse can dig that out] I think we already had enough proof of that, but yes, their inability to answer those allegations only adds to the enormous pile of evidence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serguei2 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Getting email notifications for this thread may have been a mistake... That's nothing. Take a look at this: That's why I stopped watching (by subscription). Edited February 26, 2016 by Serguei2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 But you see, if he were to do that now, it would only confirm everyone's suspicions that he isn't anywhere near being ready to fulfill what he was promising with the Chameleon; if he were, why raise funds for another prototype? What gets me is ... why didn't he just crowdfund a prototype shortly after acquiring the Jaguar molds, openly and honestly, instead of faking two prototypes when he really had nothing? If he had only been more truthful and more transparent, things probably wouldn't have turned out like this. The project still might have failed, but it wouldn't have wrecked his credibility and his reputation. Just a guess (which is all anyone is doing) Ego, Hollywood, superhero delusions, general martyrdom and self-destructive tendencies. Apple makes big splashy announcements, then ships products that sell like crazy. Startups like Facebook and Instagram are big and rich. They make it look easy. With today's technology, why can't everyone get there just by working hard and believing in oneself? (easy answer: because it's hard) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimglam Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 That's nothing. Take a look at this: messages.png That's why I stopped watching (by subscription). Well, each of those emails in my pic is actually 100 separate notification emails, if I were to click on and view them. Gmail just meshes them together automatically, if they arrive within a certain amount of time of each other. Helps cut down on getting those walls of spam like you're getting, so I guess you do have it worse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Even if it turns out Mike is in neck deep, surely Steve Woita, Paul Wylie, Phil Adam, Ben Herman, and Steven J. Rosenbaum should have been at least generally aware. If not some of the them what the heck are they VP for? I'm really curious about what role (if any) these other people have played in all this. Have any of them ever given an interview or made any public statements since their involvement with the Chameleon was announced? As far as I can tell (and I admit I haven't been following as closely as many of you), Mike Kennedy has been the only one running the show and calling the shots and doing the publicity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+rdemming Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Well, it is almost Saturday here in Europe, time to go to bed. Too bad the KickStarter didn't start yet as I was hoping to get the early bird discount before it runs out Good night, it seems I will have to read a lot of new replies tomorrow morning... Robert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 That's nothing. Take a look at this: Server currently on fire. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I'm really curious about the role that these other people played in all this. Have any of them given interviews or made any public statements since their involvement with the Chameleon was announced? As far as I know (and I admit I haven't been following as closely as many of you), all of the publicity has been from Mike. Have they even agreed to be profiled and used on the RVGS website in that way? Maybe VP stands for "very peripheral" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClassyGamer Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I can't wait for the next "blow your balls off" kid's video. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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