Schizophretard Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 But will the Coleco Chameleon Support this? I won't buyx it if it won't work with my chameleon. No clue. I pointed it out to show that even USB controllers for these consoles wouldn't be something new the Super Coleco would add. However, it would make more sense for them to offer similar controller adapters(small enough to even include in cute cartridge cases with the games) instead of making entire controllers for all the consoles they want to emulate on an SNES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlegamer Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 It appears as though Mike is depending on Atari/Intellivision/Colecovision fans to be able to play their games via HDMI to sell his console, it's really his only audience. I can already do that from PC via Stella and other emulators. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Nick Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 It's gonna be a long week... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiXL Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Does the Coleco Chameleon have a working prototype and footage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Does the Coleco Chameleon have a working prototype and footage? It appears they've only shown an already-existing SNES-mini in a Jaguar shell. You can find footage of that. I don't think anything else exists, besides the molds for the Jaguar console and Jaguar cart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Does the Coleco Chameleon have a working prototype and footage?Ask them that simple, direct question on Facebook.com/RETROVGS and join us among The Disappeared 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) Does the Coleco Chameleon have a working prototype and footage? But haven't you heard? The prototype was featured in engadget and shown at the world-famous new york toy fair. Currently, it plays SNES roms with a very high level of perfection, and the case is already done--except the power button and that hole in the back. When the project launches on kickstarter, we'll probably be treated to some full-board shots of a standard dev board. Or if it hasn't arrived in the mail yet, RGB converters with 'FPGA' written on the chips in whiteout. 'see, I told you I had an fpga in there and working--here it is on the table with its light on.' How you do it, is you start out with a foundation of solid BS, then later on, you namedrop anybody who didn't call you on your BS as being 'on board' for extra legitimacy. Edited February 22, 2016 by Reaperman 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdee Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) To avoid going out of topic, I'd suggest we move FPGA discussion to this thread: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248340-the-mist-fpga/? (or any other FPGA thread if it exists) Edited February 22, 2016 by Newsdee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiXL Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) But haven't you heard? It was featured in engadget and shown at the world-famous new york toy fair. Currently, it plays SNES roms with a very high level of perfection, and the case is already done--except the power button and that hole in the back. When the project launches on kickstarter, we'll probably be treated to some full-board shots of a standard dev board. Or if it hasn't arrived in the mail yet, RGB converters with 'FPGA' written on the chips in whiteout. 'see, I told you I had an fpga in there and working--here it is on the table with its light on.' Nope, I only heard from friends but never bothered to point out the details. Anyways, thanks for some of the information, I managed to find a video on Youtube that showed them playing a SNES game on it. However, there's one thing I wonder. NES, SNES etc. game cartridges can get pretty expensive nowadays (depending on the game, obviously) and since we already have emulators and ROMs to play hard to find or exclusive to Japan titles for free, why bother buying this console? Or does this come with extras? Edited February 22, 2016 by PiXL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaperman Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Nope, I only heard from friends but never bothered to point out the details. Anyways, thanks for some of the information, I managed to find a video on Youtube that showed them playing a SNES game on it. However, there's one thing I wonder. NES, SNES etc. game cartridges can get pretty expensive nowadays (depending on the game, obviously) and since we already have emulators and ROMs to play hard to find or exclusive to Japan titles for free, why bother buying this console? Or does this come with extras? Is my sarcasm sensor broken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiXL Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Is my sarcasm sensor broken? What do you mean? Does my post comes off as sarcastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 why bother buying this console? Good question! Wait for the Kickstarter to show up, read it carefully, and decide if this is worthwhile to you. Be wary of "giving" money to someone based on a dream (do research here on AA and elsewhere). Personally, based on the history of this non-product and the people involved, I won't participate in this particular Kickstarter, unless the product is 100% completed (it won't be) and ready to ship. If it's ever available sometime later, I'll decide then if it's worth spending money on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiXL Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Good question! Wait for the Kickstarter to show up, read it carefully, and decide if this is worthwhile to you. Be wary of "giving" money to someone based on a dream (do research here on AA and elsewhere). Personally, based on the history of this non-product and the people involved, I won't participate in this particular Kickstarter, unless the product is 100% completed (it won't be) and ready to ship. If it's ever available sometime later, I'll decide then if it's worth spending money on. Ah, so they haven't launched a Kickstarter yet. I did some more searching and many speculate that this could be a potential scam. What are your thoughts on that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+5-11under Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Ah, so they haven't launched a Kickstarter yet. I did some more searching and many speculate that this could be a potential scam. What are your thoughts on that? Their website, retrovgs.com, has a link to their Facebook page. They provide some updates there. I don't think it's an outright scam, but I don't trust them to deliver a decent product in a reasonable amount of time. The project so far has been a huge mess. They might end up with a great product some day, but I see no evidence of that at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenegg Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 What are your thoughts on that? The majority of this 88 page thread are people's thoughts about the sketchiness of this project. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdee Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 My thoughts is that it's surreal. You can't look away and want to see what happens next... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillyman Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Is there lots of demand for a Coleco Chameleon? I am buying 10 of them and sending them off to VGA to be graded! Then off to my storage unit for 15 years, until they are collectors items on Ebay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Some people may need a Gravemarker for their Ouya 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Ah, so they haven't launched a Kickstarter yet. I did some more searching and many speculate that this could be a potential scam. What are your thoughts on that? They only showed SNES games played, using SNES controllers and a proprietary Nintendo SNES video cable. If the cart port is lined up with the Jaguar, it sticks out about the same distance as we've seen from the Chameleon. Pipercub is making his own prototype "replica" based off this idea, right down to the electrical tape. It's worth checking out the pictures: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/247145-coleco-chameleon-hardware-speculations/page-81?do=findComment&comment=3445957 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 To avoid going out of topic, I'd suggest we move FPGA discussion to this thread: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/248340-the-mist-fpga/? (or any other FPGA thread if it exists) How do we stay on the topic of speculating on hardware without discussing FPGA? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_ocelot Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 (edited) How do we stay on the topic of speculating on hardware without discussing FPGA? Easy. We pretend that that the Chameleon doesn't have an FPGA and that Mike is mistaken. Mike on the other hand likes to pretend that it does have an FPGA. What's really inside there is a matter of semantics. It's best to think of it like a Schrodinger box -- it exists simultaneously in all states until someone opens up the Chameleon and the wavefront collapses as the insides are observed -- it'll be either a mini SNES or a dead cat. I vote dead cat come friday. Edited February 22, 2016 by rob_ocelot 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Another funny thing about the video is when he puts the cart in look how careful he is about doing it . Quote "you can see the cartridge connector is in there" ... like he had to point that out . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vormund Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Long time lurker - joined up because of this whole farce. I'm finding MK's descent into desperation/madness quite fascinating - it's like the story of someone who had good intentions and lost touch with the reality around him. I really think that he thinks having the shell of a console is 90% of the machine and that's where his dream started. It's nice to have dreams, but damn this takes the cake. This whole SNES thing too is pathetic and I am certain he knocked that up himself. (really badly) If you gave me a week I reckon I could knock up something more believable with a Raspberry Pi. At least it would have USB ports and HDMI. Hope I haven't given him any ideas. LOL 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 I'm still interpreting that to be another way of saying what I'm trying to say. When I imagine how an emulator works it is as if the ROM and emulator are combined together as if they're one program running and doing each task one at a time. For an example, lets say I'm running a game in Stella and it gets paused. I don't mean the game is paused but the entire emulator is froze in that moment like a screen shot. In that frozen state I don't imagine an entire emulated Atari 2600 there. I imagine it more like a frame in a video and then when it is running it is running many frames rapidly over and over in a loop that is happening so fast that it appears an entire Atari 2600 is there. An example of that if it was to occur with a real Atari 2600 would be like the console is flickering in and out of existence rapidly piece by piece but so fast that it appears there is a solid console I'm looking at. Does that make sense? Then with an FPGA it sounds like even in a frozen state every part of an Atari would be accounted for because every chip, capacitor, resister, etc. are all running at the same time. It is kind of like the core is saying to the FPGA,"Be an entire Atari 2600 at every moment." and then when a ROM is running on it the ROM is the only thing running in this flickering one step at a time process while the FPGA is just being an entire Atari 2600 all through the process. This may also help with how I'm imagining an FPGA to work. Before I ever heard of an FPGA I thought it would be cool if somehow someone fit every single retro console into one by having it all real hardware but any hardware that is the same for the consoles would only be used once and shared to not make this one console too huge with redundant parts. For an example, if an Atari 2600 and an NES had a capacitor in common then instead of including it twice it would only be included once. Then it would have multiple paths for circuits that could open and close kind of like a railroad so that it can turn on all the parts for an Atari when playing an Atari game that may also include NES parts but it turns off the NES parts that aren't in an Atari. I'm imaging an FPGA to be like that but instead of big parts they are microscopic parts and "railroads". When it needs to be an Atari it opens up all the "tracks" for an Atari while closing all the others with this staying opened and closed the whole time the game is running as if there is a really tiny Atari 2600 in there. Then that Atari can be reconfigured into an NES by opening and closing different "tracks". So, a core is running the hardware to be an entire console at every moment while a ROM is running on that entire console. Am I getting more or less accurate in my understanding of the difference? Maybe a little. But it's fun and mysterious to imagine the magic that happens. I won't spoil it for you anymore! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdee Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 At this stage a Raspberry PI + a Retrode hacked together seems more viable and honest than a SNES. But then that would be copying the idea of Dragonbox's RetroPi (http://retropi.de/ - not to be confused with RetropiE) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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