flashjazzcat Posted July 18, 2016 Share Posted July 18, 2016 Question: is it mandatory to mod 1200XLs up to XE spec (single OS ROM, EXTSEL hooked up to header) with this board, or is it optional? If optional, what functionality if any is missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 Hey Simius, is it normal for the ram not to be cleared on a cold boot, or have I done something wrong? It seems normal. Datasheet doesn't define maximum time to data lost. You done nothing wrong. Atari OS developers don't foresee such long time data keeping memories. Hardware cold reset would be useful. With IDE+ there is no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted July 18, 2016 Author Share Posted July 18, 2016 Question: is it mandatory to mod 1200XLs up to XE spec (single OS ROM, EXTSEL hooked up to header) with this board, or is it optional? If optional, what functionality if any is missing? Disable OS ROMs and RAM on the motherboard is mandatory. But the rest is not. EXSEL signal is usable only with some external devices and can be left unconnected. BASIC I can disable on demand in the CPLD programming phase or can be disabled by OS reprogramming (set PB1 permanently high). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabone Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Well this makes it a pain to use in a gaming computer. Mine is a 130xe with a sio2sd loaded with games, I just wanted the ram expander to play with bigger demos and games, Kinda ruins the mood having to wait a random amount of time before I can turn the machine back on to play a different game. Anyone one here want to buy my ram board? Shipping from zip 37415. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Several OS use "magic keys" (shift + reset, select + reset, etc.) to provide a cold start without power cycling. One of the best is the stock XL/XE OS patched with Hias' hi-speed code (and provides reset). http://www.horus.com/~hias/atari/#hipatch -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kogden Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 (edited) Well this makes it a pain to use in a gaming computer. Mine is a 130xe with a sio2sd loaded with games, I just wanted the ram expander to play with bigger demos and games, Kinda ruins the mood having to wait a random amount of time before I can turn the machine back on to play a different game. Anyone one here want to buy my ram board? Shipping from zip 37415. A 10-15 second wait is common with most SRAM-based RAM expansions, especially those that replace the internal RAM as well. SRAM tends to retain data for a bit when power is removed unlike DRAM. Like mentioned above, some OS replacements support a "cold start" with a key combo that may help. If you still really want to sell or trade it, send me a PM. I'd love one of these. Edited July 19, 2016 by kogden Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Disable OS ROMs and RAM on the motherboard is mandatory. But the rest is not. EXSEL signal is usable only with some external devices and can be left unconnected. BASIC I can disable on demand in the CPLD programming phase or can be disabled by OS reprogramming (set PB1 permanently high). OK - so does this mean the device can be dropped into a stock 1200XL and used without further modification if there are no PBI devices and no VBXE? That's the state this machine arrived in: CPU and MMU removed and replaced by Antonia - nothing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted July 19, 2016 Author Share Posted July 19, 2016 OK - so does this mean the device can be dropped into a stock 1200XL and used without further modification if there are no PBI devices and no VBXE? That's the state this machine arrived in: CPU and MMU removed and replaced by Antonia - nothing else. Nothing else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 Nothing else. Great: thank you. I will leave well alone then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabone Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Several OS use "magic keys" (shift + reset, select + reset, etc.) to provide a cold start without power cycling. One of the best is the stock XL/XE OS patched with Hias' hi-speed code (and provides reset). So, I'll give this a try this weekend, I just need to flash the patched file into the default slot correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 So, I'll give this a try this weekend, I just need to flash the patched file into the default slot correct? Yes, just pick one and flash it into the OS portion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabone Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Ok, trying tonight, and being an atari newbie, I need some help. My equipment consists of 1 130xe, and a sio2sd device. I've got Mypicodos images with games loaded in drives 1 thru 4, and a disk image containing the ant program and rom in slot 5, So I boot off disk1 into the menu, then hit 5 to select disk 5 and then run ant. Within ant I press F to go to the rom flasher menu, then select L to load, the O for OS, and it returns with the error D:*.* Error 130 Press Any Key Pointers please. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 And where is the OS with Hias HISIO at and which selected Game atr has an OS added to it. Disk 5 must not be found.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drac030 Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Within ant I press F to go to the rom flasher menu, then select L to load, the O for OS, and it returns with the error D:*.* Error 130 Error 130 means "no such device in the system". In other words, there is no "D:" handler installed. You have to boot a DOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabone Posted July 22, 2016 Share Posted July 22, 2016 Ok, after many many attempts, I have finally found out how to do the following. 1. Get a dos image that boots on my sio2sd. 2. Edit the disk image using Atari 8-bit Disk Utility, and finally seeing that it defaults to saving a compressed atr.. (This is what took forever, same atr extension, but compressed and not usable on the sio2sd) 3. Getting past the remove cart message from ant. (Could you just say on that screen, on XL machines, hold option when rebooting to disable basic??) 4. Finally getting the os patched. Shift - Reset works great. The board seems to work fine with this config, it seems to me that the major issues I ran into just getting the flash done is a lack of a good wiki on working with disk image and what programs are available. Thank you Simius for your work and product, it does look great and was very easy to install. You might want to list in your doc page about the long cycle to clear ram. Later, dabone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted July 26, 2016 Author Share Posted July 26, 2016 Please let me know if you got the parcel or if somebody gave the order. I would like to update the status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Please let me know if you got the parcel or if somebody gave the order. I would like to update the status. I got my 130XE CPU last week. Working very good with IDE+2 PBI hard drive with SDX447. Nice memory Foot print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tuf Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Please let me know if you got the parcel or if somebody gave the order. I would like to update the status. Received mine in the mail last week - looks great but I haven't installed it yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelm Posted August 8, 2016 Share Posted August 8, 2016 Mine arrived while I was away for work. Everything looks good but, since I got my 64K upgrade working fine, I may not end up installing it unless I find another XL computer for a decent price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chouimat Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 Hi, I would like to have one for the 130xe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xrbrevin Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 hi i would like one please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspicious_milk Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Any issues using this with Side2? Are they still available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simius Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 Antonia boards are still available. Boards with the first version of firmware didn't cooperate with SIDE2. With new firmware already works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspicious_milk Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I'd like about 3 of these, but I think I can only have one or my wife may kill me ... Don't know if this'll go in 130, 65, or try to jury rig into an XEGS ... or maybe buy an XL just for the occasion :-) How can I order/pay for 1, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+orpheuswaking Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 I'd like about 3 of these, but I think I can only have one or my wife may kill me ... Don't know if this'll go in 130, 65, or try to jury rig into an XEGS ... or maybe buy an XL just for the occasion :-) How can I order/pay for 1, please? The answer is always buy another machine to put it in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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