Protector SE, want it?

[GOVmole]

Hey heads up anyone looking for Protector SE, I'm not selling it but someone on eBay keeps on posting complete open copies of this game starting at $10.00 , this is the third one I have seen to go up in a short period of time and would try to win one myself but I just ordered a copy from songbird directly and hopefully will be getting it shortly.

[kevincal]

Hey Govmole...I think you will really like Protector: SE. At first, the game seemed REALLY hard to me, like I couldn't get past the 10th wave for awhile lol, and there's like over 40 waves (levels) I believe. Once you get the hang of it though Anyway, I'll be interested to see what those copies of P:SE go for on Ebay...

[kevincal]

...I meant to say Once you get the hang of it though...you will really like it because in the tougher levels when it gets hectic, it reminds me of Tempest 2000 in that your adrenaline will be pumping...

[TheBizDude]

Protector is very well done - how could D2K be improved? Dunno, but it happened.

 

Soocer Kid is another good one to get from Songbird - very cool platformer. Smoother and better graphics than the 3DO version.

 

I play my Jag on a 53" TV.

These games look killer that Large

As do most JAG games (

Dare I say even better those most N64 games!

[Thunderbird]

Protector is very well done - how could D2K be improved?  Dunno, but it happened.

 

There's an improved version of D2K out? When did that happen? Who did it? Was it Minter? Or, is this one of his ports to another platform? I love D2K and don't see how it could be improved at all. The only thing I'd do is make the ships smaller. What's been done to it?

[Gunstar]

I have both Protector:SE and Defender 2000 and I like Protector, but I feel D2K blows it away! It may be too intense for some, but if you get good enough to last a for a bit, you get lots of cool power-ups that make it easier to stay alive. It has better graphics (both plus and 2k modes) and the music is MILES better than Protector's, done by the guys who did T2K, Imagitec! The musice in Protector was done by Carl, who thankfully, is keeping his day job! I turn it off, get's annoying in about 2 seconds...sorry Carl, you're good at a lot of things as far as the Jag&Lynx are concerned, but music isn't one of them...so, I don't believe any "improvement" has been done in Protector over D2K! It's a good second choice (actually, third-there is Defender Plus!). But, I bought it(Protector:SE) for the BJL, bypass, etc. the game was a bonus.

[LinkoVitch]

Protector is very well done - how could D2K be improved?  Dunno, but it happened.

 

There's an improved version of D2K out? When did that happen? Who did it? Was it Minter? Or, is this one of his ports to another platform? I love D2K and don't see how it could be improved at all. The only thing I'd do is make the ships smaller. What's been done to it?

 

I think BizDude is implying that in his opinion Protector is like D2K with improvements and better overall.

[kevincal]

I have both Protector:SE and Defender 2000 and I like Protector, but I feel D2K blows it away! It may be too intense for some, but if you get good enough to last a for a bit, you get lots of cool power-ups that make it easier to stay alive. It has better graphics (both plus and 2k modes) and the music is MILES better than Protector's, done by the guys who did T2K, Imagitec! The musice in Protector was done by Carl, who thankfully, is keeping his day job! I turn it off, get's annoying in about 2 seconds...sorry Carl, you're good at a lot of things as far as the Jag&Lynx are concerned, but music isn't one of them...so, I don't believe any "improvement" has been done in Protector over D2K! It's a good second choice (actually, third-there is Defender Plus!). But, I bought it(Protector:SE) for the BJL, bypass, etc. the game was a bonus.

 

lol, ya at frst the music seemed kinda...shallow to me i.e. not a lot going on..but it grew on me for some reason, and I really like the music in the later levels..which reminds me i gotta beat this game still lol, I'm at around the 30th or so wave..

[Gunstar]

Protector is very well done - how could D2K be improved?  Dunno, but it happened.

 

There's an improved version of D2K out? When did that happen? Who did it? Was it Minter? Or, is this one of his ports to another platform? I love D2K and don't see how it could be improved at all. The only thing I'd do is make the ships smaller. What's been done to it?

 

I think BizDude is implying that in his opinion Protector is like D2K with improvements and better overall.

 

T-bird knows that, what you have encountered is "classic" (LOL) T-bird sarcasm.

[GOVmole]

looking FWD to getting it in the mail, i ordered it along with hyper force actually, so when i get them in ill have P:SE, Hyper force and Skyhammer from songbird. Anyone play Protector and P:SE? I'm interested to know how different they actually are and if its worth keeping an eye out for the original.

[Gunstar]

You'll notice some of the differences right away when you get P:SE just because it still comes in the original box with an "SE" sticker slapped on, so the screen shots are of the original. Mostly just different graphics in the background and such, like a few different power-ups and minor play mechanic changes (from what I've heard, I don't have the original either).

Not sure if there is really a need for both, unless your a collector, and even then, maybe not; I'm a collector and at this point have no intension of getting the original version. I have Hyperforce, Skyhammer and PhaseZero from Songbird too, all very cool. Soccerkid is the only one I don't have, I picked up the 3DO version for $5, so just haven't wanted to pay the $50+ for Sonbird's version yet...but I may for the collection someday...

[Mendon]

Sorry if this is sort of a dumb post/question but I never thought about this until now:

 

I was going through a list I keep of all the systems and games I own, updating it with some recent Jaguar add's. While reading the list, it suddenly jumped out at me and I realized I had never noticed it before: is the Jaguar version of Protector an update to the old 800/XL/XE Protector game?

 

I'm in the process of setting up my 8bit system to take another look at it and refresh my memory on how the game looks and plays but if my senile memory serves me right, Protector for the 8bit was a Defender clone and from the messages I've read here, Protector SE is a Defender clone also.

 

Maybe this should have been obvious to me (just like some of the white blocks in Dino Dudes should have been obvious to me but weren't) but I always thought that the Jag Protector was sort of an original and unreleased game. If it is an update of the 8bit Protector, I might have thought about it more if it had been called Protector 2k or something

 

Thanks in advance for any responses!

 

Mendon

[Gunstar]

Sorry if this is sort of a dumb post/question but I never thought about this until now:  

 

I was going through a list I keep of all the systems and games I own, updating it with some recent Jaguar add's. While reading the list, it suddenly jumped out at me and I realized I had never noticed it before: is the Jaguar version of Protector an update to the old 800/XL/XE Protector game?  

 

I'm in the process of setting up my 8bit system to take another look at it and refresh my memory on how the game looks and plays but if my senile memory serves me right, Protector for the 8bit was a Defender clone and from the messages I've read here, Protector SE is a Defender clone also.Maybe this should have been obvious to me (just like some of the white blocks in Dino Dudes should have been obvious to me but weren't) but I always thought that the Jag Protector was sort of an original and  unreleased game.  If it is an update of the 8bit Protector, I might have thought about it more if it had been called Protector 2k or something  

 

 

This is true, there are a couple of 8-bit protector games, 1&2 I believe, that were indeed Defender clones just like this one, but they were not done by the same companies/people at all, the name is just a coincidence as far as I can tell; I mean, how many variations of the name can you have to get the same point across? Defender:defending little dudes from aliens...Protector: Protecting little dudes from aliens, same meaning...I suppose another name like Guardian could be used too, or a word of the same meaning as any of these in a different language, but as you can see, it's easy to have a coincidence of names since there are only a lomited number to choose from that mean the same thing or similiar.

[Mendon]

....but as you can see, it's easy to have a coincidence of names since there are only a lomited number to choose from that mean the same thing or similiar.

 

Thanks for the response, Gunstar.

 

Out of curiosity, aren't the NAMES copyrighted also? Such as in this case, wouldn't Synapse have a copyright on the name Protector along with a copyright on the game?

 

I'd really be interested in any background info on the Jag Protector. Would just seem to me that unless you are doing an update to a game (like Tempest 2k, Missile Command 3D, etc) that you would want to have an original title for it also to make it stand out. I mean, if I made a variation of a game where you blew up rocks in space I wouldn't want to call it Asteroids.

 

Just curious, not argumentive.

 

Mendon

[Gunstar]

Now this is just a guess, but it could be that the makers of Jag Protector weren't even aware in the slightest of the 8-bit version from Synapse, or it could be a tribute too for all I know, but I don't believe Synapse even exists anymore at all, so who's around to claim copyright infringement? Or, maybe one or more of the programmers actually programmed the original too...I'd have to look at the credits of both games to know, but I think my first guess is the most likely; unaware of existance, and Synapse not around to complain-all is shear coincidence.

[Songbird]

Jaguar Protector is based on an old 8-bit game originally called Datastorm, and later Protector. At least this is my understanding of the game's history, according to what I've been told by the original author of Datastorm and the person who started the Jag conversion some years back.

 

The name is copyrighted, and properly licensed by Songbird from the present owner, Bethesda Softworks.

[Mendon]

Just played Protector on my 800; not a bad game at all. And I wasn't aware of the "Datastorm" title; thanks for the info, Carl. I'm assuming that Datastorm might have been a working title since I can't seem to find any info on it (but I could be wrong; wouldn't be the first time ... :wink: )

 

And I was only wondering about the copyright on the name. I was sure that companies probably copyright names but yet I've seen songs with the same title but by different composers so what do I know about anything.

 

Guess Protector SE is my next purchase as now I really want to play it.

 

Thanks again for the responses, guys.

 

Mendon

[Mendon]

Gets even more interesting as I just read the latest issue of Retrogaming Times and they did a review of Protector for the Vectrex. Guess there is more to Protector than I first realized.

 

Mendon

[+Sauron]

Protector SE is the best rendition of Defender on the Jag. D2K is quite entertaining also, but for some reason it just seems to be missing something. I do love "Plasma Pong" though.

[+Saturn]

Gets even more interesting as I just read the latest issue of Retrogaming Times and they did a review of Protector for the Vectrex. Guess there is more to Protector than I first realized.

 

Mendon

Hi!

Any way you could scan that baby for a nonsubscriber?

[Mendon]

Saturn... go to the home page here; there is a link to the Retrogaming Times website. Its free to read.

 

Mendon

[+Saturn]

Saturn... go to the home page here; there is a link to the Retrogaming Times website. Its free to read.

 

Mendon

Thanks, Mendon. You rule!

[+Saturn]

It received a 9.7 out of 10 rating. I wonder why they only released a hundred...

[GOVmole]

OK, so I just got my copy in today and here is the verdict; I LOVE THIS GAME! Protector SE is an awesome game and its 2am and I just got done playing i made it to wave 16. and the comment before on the music being bad, i personally think the music is pretty great and works great for with the game. ok, so maybe I love this game because I played Defender to death in my childhood on the colecovision, but as of now I love this game.

[TheBizDude]

I think Protector is far more playable on the Jag than D2K - just an opinion. Defender was a difficult game in the arcade and they ported that difficulty over to D2K. I think that even the plus version is more fun to play! The up/down scroll movement is way better in Protector.

 

Gunstar, I have Soccer kid on 3DO, too. The Jag version blows it away. Keep in mind that I'm comparing these on a 53" TV. 3DO graphics are similar to N64 on a TV that large. Everything seems slightly out of focus and colors blur together. The Jag graphics are nice and crisp.

 

Thanks for sticking up for me though, Link!