RetroDan Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 At the moment I am struggling with the Atari emulator for Mac. I am using OS X. I have a game I wrote years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 At the moment I am struggling with the Atari emulator for Mac. I am using OS X. I have a game I wrote years ago. What problem are you having? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroDan Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share Posted June 18, 2016 Originally it was for help getting an emulator working on Mac witth three games I did back in the 80s. After much trial and error I got it to work with all three, however, and you are going to get a real laugh out of this, I FORGOT the password for Crypts of Terror so I cannot play it. So I`m asking if anyone knows the password, or can find it in an old instructiions. Also many were sold without a password for the first level, so if any collector could email me a copy of my game, that would be sweet. RetroDan-at-GMail.com thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I don't get it - why would you have need for a password for the beginning of a game? According to Atarimania who have the game, the initial password is MAGIC http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-400-800-xl-xe-crypts-of-terror_1437.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4ngerM4n Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I don't get it - why would you have need for a password for the beginning of a game? Copy protection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Didn't F15 strike eagle also require typing in words from the instruction manual? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroDan Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) YES a copy protection. I knew that the program would get passed around but probably not the password. It's OK now I remembered it after 30 years. I'd like to repair it, because all the copies I see with the protection stripped away are broken. When you enter the crypts there is a sword and a key, but not in the copies. What would be the best way to "break into" the BASIC TOKEN File and untokenize it before I re-release a repaired version. Edited June 18, 2016 by RetroDan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Is it just plain Basic? It's easy to break into programs with emulation where they've attempted to make it hard to. e.g. many programs will disable the Break key. Just change location $11 to 00 to simulate Break key pressed. Basic token file? I'm not sure what you mean. Any resident Atari Basic program is stored as tokens, binary line numbers, forward pointers etc to save memory. One typical way to make a program harder to hack was to corrupt the variable name table, do you mean that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroDan Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share Posted June 18, 2016 This game was done in Atari BASIC with Assembler for Routines. Man Atari BASIC was slow. What I want to do is to get back into the code so I can make changes. If I could ever get it as a text file would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) Hi Dan, Great to see some of the programmers from the time make themselves known on here, it might be worth saying which emulator you are using, I have a feeling its a MAC port of Atri800 but whatever the score I'm sure the bods on here will be able to help. What were the other two games you wrote and would you mind them being archived on places like Atarimania and the Atari Software Preservation initiative that are both parties on here? Whatever the answer thank you for wanting to fix the poor crack out there, much appreciated and good luck with the help, I can never remember if there's a way to run Altirra on the Mac but if there then that is the most useful in the debugging stakes and accurate emulator out there at present. Paul.. Edited June 18, 2016 by Mclaneinc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) OK, the copy at Atarimania, NFI. Cas image and it just does nothing, machine type 800 or XL. The Atr at AtariOnline works though. It's a Dos disk with Autorun, the Basic program and 2 data files. Looks like I was right - the variable name table is overwritten such that every variable is "A". The way to fix... not sure if there's a ulility out there that undoes this sort of thing. The problem is there looks to be about 37 variables in use, so you'd probably need to do some creative hacking to expand the length of at least some of them to 2 characters then hack the names so they're all unique. There are programs out there that can list Atari Basic tokenised files but I don't know if any can deal with corrupted variable name tables. This is the disk image from AtariOnline: Crypts of Terror (1981)(Inhome Software)(CA)pw MAGICBASIC.atr Edited June 18, 2016 by Rybags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+kheller2 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 There are a few detokenizers out there. I know I used one long ago I think for Questron. Here is one http://atariage.com/forums/topic/238612-looking-for-tool-to-unprotect-basic-program/?p=3242759 And I think the Atari Protection Techniques and Advanced APT had one as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 ATR Tools will list a Protected Tokenized Basic file: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/192052-atr-tools/page-3?do=findComment&comment=3461238 It will save the file as "Detoken.lst" in the folder it was ran from... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwinmac Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 I can never remember if there's a way to run Altirra on the Mac but if there then that is the most useful in the debugging stakes and accurate emulator out there at present. Paul.. Yes, you can run Altirra just fine using Wine (http://www.winehq.org) or CrossOver Mac (commercial version of Wine). Wine translates the Windows library calls to calls the Mac understands. Obviously, Avery doesn't support running Altirra like this, but it's worked great for me. Since it's the most updated 8-bit emulator, I just run Altirra on my Mac and I haven't bothered using the Mac native emulators for awhile. Bob C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Thanks Bob C, I had a feeling it did work but I didn't want to mix up OS's by mistake.. And yes, Avery has made it clear that he's only doing a Windows environment and as the source has been up since day one and no one has taken up the hassle of porting it then its a great job there other environments out there that can run it as it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Before you go through the hassle of trying to fix a cracked copy, you might want to take a look at the dump we have in our preservation archive (attached). You'll need Altirra to run it but you may find that it works just fine since its copy protection is still intact. Crypts of Terror (1981)(Inhome Software)(CA).zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroDan Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Do you happen to know if there is a sword and a key in first crypt. All the copies I've seen so far, and the Utube video walk-through show a hacked version where you just wander around till you die because sword and key are missing. I've given up on the idea a detokenizing the file because I "nailed" the variable name table and all the variables would be "A." Edited June 19, 2016 by RetroDan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted June 19, 2016 Share Posted June 19, 2016 Do you happen to know if there is a sword and a key in first crypt. There appears to be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroDan Posted June 19, 2016 Author Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Thanks, now we know one archived version is still good. I found another good copy "Crypts of Terror.cas" Crytps.zip Edited June 19, 2016 by RetroDan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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