genfuyung Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Saints Lynx cart is awesome and I'm super excited that hes making one for Jaguar. Hopefully I can get my name way higher on this list when it starts then I did with the Lynx cart. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 47 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 My thoughts exactly. The Lynx SD card was perfect and having one developed for the Jaguar is a dream come true. I'm following this thread in hopes of getting higher on the preorder list when it begins! Thanks SainT for all of the hard work you're putting into this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 The Jag has the ability to access either 32, 16 or 8 bits of data per access to the external bus (the data on the cartridge). A 32 bit cart can transfer data to the jag 4x quicker than an 8bit cart. I'm really not sure what games were what bus size, but you'd expect larger games to have more ROM's and therefore be connected in parallel to the data bus and therefore more likely to be 32bit, but I really haven't done any research on this! To my knowledge, all official games carts (and the homebrew releases which use Atari PCBs) have a 32-bit data path, split between either two 16-bit ROM chips or four 8-bit ROM chips. (The Memory Track is only 8-bit wide, but that's not a game ) But on the other hand, they use the slowest access timings (10 cycles), probably to drive costs down by allowing the use of cheap and slow ROM chips. With modern chips, you can use 16-bit width with the fastest timings (5 cycles): it's as fast for 32-bit accesses, and faster for 8 and 16-bit accesses. But it's also cheaper: only one 16-bit chip is needed, it only uses half as many voltage-translation buffers, and it makes routing easier. This trick has been used on the Skunkboard, and we've done the same thing on the Jagtopus. The games don't notice the difference, since the Jaguar memory controller abstracts the bus width. That's why I said earlier that you didn't need to support 32-bit width. But it would still be interesting for homebrews, since it gives you twice as much bandwidth, which means that some stuff could be kept in ROM instead of RAM without impacting performance as much. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaicer Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 This is great with this I can give love to my jaguar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 This is great with this I can give love to my jaguar. Try to keep it PG-13 around here, this is a family forum. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+rdemming Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 To my knowledge, all official games carts (and the homebrew releases which use Atari PCBs) have a 32-bit data path, split between either two 16-bit ROM chips or four 8-bit ROM chips. (The Memory Track is only 8-bit wide, but that's not a game ) The Jaguar CD BIOS and Atari FlashCard BIOS are also "8-bit carts" but those are not games either That's why I said earlier that you didn't need to support 32-bit width. True unless the game writes to the MemCon1 register to set the bus size. And I know a few games that (deliberately) do that Robert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 True unless the game writes to the MemCon1 register to set the bus size. And I know a few games that (deliberately) do that Yeah, that's what I meant earlier about the games that go out of their way not to work on flash carts. But there are only a few ones, and if we're thinking about the same ones, they're homebrew releases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirataga Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Do you guys think some official games might not work with the flashcart? If so, which ones? I'm not very interested in homebrew stuff, so I was a little curious about the official releases... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SainT Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 Do you guys think some official games might not work with the flashcart? No 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirataga Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I can't wait to play some Jag! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apalomares Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 I am absolutely enjoying your Lynx card and have a Jaguar ready to be played so... please count me in, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 If only there was a way to play a Jaguar today without a flash cart. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirataga Posted April 5, 2017 Share Posted April 5, 2017 If only there was a way to play a Jaguar today without a flash cart. Sarcasm aimed at whom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirataga Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 What rare, common or homebrew games do you guys plan to finally play once SainT releases his flashcart? In my case, I just bought my Jaguar, so I don't own any cartridges yet, I can't wait to play Alien vs Predator and Attack of the mutant penguins. I've played Tempest 2000 on Sega Saturn and I already know it's a great game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juansolo Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 (edited) What rare, common or homebrew games do you guys plan to finally play once SainT releases his flashcart? In my case, I just bought my Jaguar, so I don't own any cartridges yet, I can't wait to play Alien vs Predator and Attack of the mutant penguins. I've played Tempest 2000 on Sega Saturn and I already know it's a great game. Stuff that I can't bring myself to part with silly amounts of cash to play. So Power Drive Rally and things like that. I did have a shitload of Jag games back in the day because the shops were selling them, and the consoles off (end of life), so I pretty much bought one of everything. Sadly it's all long since sold (for buttons), so I'm just getting back to it. I've got T2K and Rebooteroids currently, and that's it. Edited April 9, 2017 by juansolo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjameslv Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Stuff that I can't bring myself to part with silly amounts of cash to play. So Power Drive Rally and things like that. I did have a shitload of Jag games back in the day because the shops were selling them, and the consoles off (end of life), so I pretty much bought one of everything. Sadly it's all long since sold (for buttons), so I'm just getting back to it. I've got T2K and Rebooteroids currently, and that's it. Power drive rally is $55 bucks and you can buy it right now as we speak. I consider that pretty normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pirataga Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Personally I am really thankful for those who manufacture Flashcarts, without them I would be f*****. Thanks to them, my console collection is almost 100% functional; if I had to buy cartridges for each console I own I would be screwed... Owning a videogame collection in a third world country is a logistics nightmare, lol, I gotta pay triple on everything due to weak currency + import taxes and stuff like that... That's why I didn't even buy a regular jaguar cart so far, I'm waiting for the great SainT to finish his work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juansolo Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Power drive rally is $55 bucks and you can buy it right now as we speak. I consider that pretty normal. It might be in the US. 60 UKP is the cheapest one listed here which equates to about 75 USD. That's on the wrong side of silly for me when it comes to pricing of an old top down racer. I had serious trouble coming to terms with paying 46UKP for Breath of the Wild on Wii U the other day and that was only because I can't see Nintendo doing another run of that and the prices have already started climbing on Wii U stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 What rare, common or homebrew games do you guys plan to finally play once SainT releases his flashcart? In my case, I just bought my Jaguar, so I don't own any cartridges yet, I can't wait to play Alien vs Predator and Attack of the mutant penguins. I've played Tempest 2000 on Sega Saturn and I already know it's a great game. I just look forward to being able to play games via a flash cart without having to have the Jaguar daisy chained to my computer and using a command prompt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 47 Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 First game I plan on trying is Atari Karts. Too expensive for me to purchase but I've always wanted to play it. Thanks to SainT, that dream will become a reality soon! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Saturn Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I love that game. One of the best for the system imo. Just seeing the name makes me want to play 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+af0l Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I'm dying to play some CD games if that feature comes through... Never got to buy one, never will, the way the prices are going... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Gull Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I am looking forward to this as well given I have not seen a single Jag game in the wild around my parts for years.....wait sorry keep it PG-13. I have not seen any Jaguar games around in my shopping area I mean so this will be a great way to get to some of those titles I can't wait to play like Checkered Flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenixdownita Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 I am looking forward to this as well given I have not seen a single Jag game in the wild around my parts for years.....wait sorry keep it PG-13. I have not seen any Jaguar games around in my shopping area I mean so this will be a great way to get to some of those titles I can't wait to play like Checkered Flag. Say what now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor Gull Posted April 12, 2017 Share Posted April 12, 2017 Say what now? I managed never to pick that one up ever. I know odd but thats how it went when I was buying Jag games. I even got Trevor McFur over that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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