+LS650 Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Nope, no ETA yet. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/254003-upcoming-jaguar-sd-cartridge/?p=3536102 Your best bet to make sure you don't miss out is to be a regular poster and contribute to the forum community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SainT Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 I'm doing lots of stuff in the background trying to sort out the website to have one central shop / pre-order place and also automate a load of the stuff going on for the shipping / order processing side. I've also got some help in making and shipping carts. The theory is everything will begin to run more smoothly in coming months... ETA is Q1 2019. So, not long. 29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
str0m Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Sounds good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEATH Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I dont understand, can't you just simulate or emulate the CDROM (the I/O) so you dont have to deal with CD BIOS, whatever that is ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SainT Posted February 5, 2019 Author Share Posted February 5, 2019 No, that would make it a pretty much impossible task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jericho_21 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) The CD-BIOS is the software needed because it is the basic input/output system (or, BIOS) needed to run the Jag CD. Without that software, the emulator cannot recognize what system it is. I don't know, could you consider that a type of firmware? Maybe that is a noob question, but I do not know. But, anyway, all systems have a BIOS. Emulators need that software to mimic those systems. Otherwise, it cannot ascertain what the ROMs can be run under. That explains a bit, anyway. Even PCs and Macs have a BIOS, unless it is called something else on the Mac. Edited February 5, 2019 by jericho_21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gummy Bear Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 unless it is called something else on the Mac. iBIOS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEATH Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 The CD-BIOS is the software needed because it is the basic input/output system (or, BIOS) needed to run the Jag CD. Without that software, the emulator cannot recognize what system it is. I don't know, could you consider that a type of firmware? Maybe that is a noob question, but I do not know. But, anyway, all systems have a BIOS. Emulators need that software to mimic those systems. Otherwise, it cannot ascertain what the ROMs can be run under. That explains a bit, anyway. Even PCs and Macs have a BIOS, unless it is called something else on the Mac. That's not the question here. I'm asking why he can't just simulate, emulate the CD I/O. There's not so much of it. This way, anything accessing BUTCH will work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jericho_21 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I was not sure if you knew that. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+S.D.W. Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 so you dont have to deal with CD BIOS, whatever that is ? The way you asked the question made it sound like you do not what what a CD BIOS is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samson7point1 Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 That's not the question here. I'm asking why he can't just simulate, emulate the CD I/O. There's not so much of it. This way, anything accessing BUTCH will work fine. Doesn't there need to be some translation between the raw bits on the disc and the executable code? I mean the bits on the disc aren't actually executable the way a ROM chip on a cartridge is are they? I would think you could get away with just replacing the CD I/O if you were to just replace the optical drive mechanism in an actual Jag CD, but you would still need the BIOS to act as a go-between, wouldn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayik Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Don't forget that SainT has posted he is successfully running CD games from the SD cart 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SainT Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 As has been said, it's already working, this is moot. Trying to emulate a load of stuff you don't need for no real purpose is pointless -- the whole point of the BIOS is to provide an abstraction layer between the hardware and software to make exactly this kind of situation manageable. Don't worry, it's all in hand. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 SainT has already put in an over-the-top amount of work to make a marginal catalogue of 50 or so original games run. Putting in the gargantuan effort to emulate Butch for 12 additional suckfests (no matter how good that F1 game is, the counterbalance is Highlander!) is totally not worth it when you can replace the BIOS 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoTheMath Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 SainT has already put in an over-the-top amount of work to make a marginal catalogue of 50 or so original games run. Putting in the gargantuan effort to emulate Butch for 12 additional suckfests (no matter how good that F1 game is, the counterbalance is Highlander!) is totally not worth it when you can replace the BIOS Hey now, don't forget Battlemorph and huuu it's counterbalance Baldies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 SainT has already put in an over-the-top amount of work to make a marginal catalogue of 50 or so original games run. Putting in the gargantuan effort to emulate Butch for 12 additional suckfests (no matter how good that F1 game is, the counterbalance is Highlander!) is totally not worth it when you can replace the BIOS Well in theory this will also load images you have released as skunk loadable as well, right? The advantage being it is possible to break the limit of only having two Tom's loaded at a time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+af0l Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 Well in theory this will also load images you have released as skunk loadable as well, right? The advantage being it is possible to break the limit of only having two Tom's loaded at a time? I wouldn't bet on it. Those are skunk-only, if I'm not wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SainT Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 I wouldn't bet on it. Those are skunk-only, if I'm not wrong... If it's a CD BIOS replacement specifically for skunk related hardware, then no, it wont work. If its just cartridge based conversions, yes it will. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 If it's a CD BIOS replacement specifically for skunk related hardware, then no, it wont work. If its just cartridge based conversions, yes it will. Yeah, I don't think any of the conversions have been CD Based. I have a skunk board, I just haven't ever gotten around to using it ha! and it'd be more convenient for sure to be able just toss the files on an SD card. So we'd have 50 some odd commercial releases, 15 some odd CD based ones, and the numerous conversions, right? That'd basically be the library of the Jag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyaage Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Getting the CD stuff working is great news. It is really quite exciting now release is so close.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atvcom Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Hi Atari Boffs!! I am super excited to get hold of a Jag SD when they're4 ready. Got the Retro HQ Lynx cart and the Harmony 2600. Also finally got me a Jaguar CD so all going great so far... Nearly complete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg2600 Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Hi Atari Boffs!! I am super excited to get hold of a Jag SD when they're4 ready. Got the Retro HQ Lynx cart and the Harmony 2600. Also finally got me a Jaguar CD so all going great so far... Nearly complete I don't think you need the CD to run CD games once SainT is done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SainT Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 A video showing proof of all the magic things I'm claiming... 31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+af0l Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Oh, this is sweet! And love the shelves for consoles. Are those custom or bought? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42bs Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) A video showing proof of all the magic things I'm claiming... Great. BTW, do you add a reset button to the cart? Or do we have to power-cycle? (BTW, a thing missing on the SkunkBoards). Edited February 7, 2019 by 42bs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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