The SNES/Super Famicom discussion thread!

[keepdreamin]

 

Nitpick: stock first model SNES supports s-video natively through the multi-AV out, no need for mod.

The 1CHIP units output a sharper picture. (Which the mini is one). Which is a plus if you're going to go the RGB upscaler route at any point. And while you could try and track down an old style 1CHIP. I'd rather just buy a mini (guaranteed 1chip) and bust out the digital solder iron and re hookup the signals to the multiout.

 

Plus I happen to prefer the softer aesthetics and smaller footprint.

 

I've got an old pre-1chip SNES as well. I can post up framemeister differences between them later.

[Games Of Reference]

Wow, so many posts to reply to! This'll take a while...

That make two of us Rhys. I'm in for one myself!

 

Anthony...

 

Before starting this thread, I had no idea about any of these devices. This is now a real possibility to help me play many SNES games I couldn't before.

Did I mention how awesome the SD2SNES is?

 

It has been posted multiple times by other users, and I do agree that it is awesome!

 

I would love to see an SNES version! And I'm pretty sure that it will become a thing next Christmas if the NES Classic Mini is successful. (:

Exactly, Byron! Any games in particular you'd like to see on there?

 

One reason it's a bit quirky is that it's actually adapted from Fury of the Furries for Amiga and PC which was pretty unique. It was a fun little game but I think the SNES engine is a bit better for console play.

Really? I didn't know that. It's always interesting to see a game get adapted for a licensed property. Thanks for sharing!

 

 

The Williams CIB is IN shot heh (it's right below Top Gear), and I have a loose copy of Midway as it turns out having checked. I thought my only loose carts were the DKC Competition and Starfox Weekend, but evidently not!

 

On that note, this is a fairly old photo (as in few years ago)...

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm guessing you missed the post with my SFC games in it, the three DKC titles, Star Fox and F-Zero are there

 

I really like that photo. I love the jacket and the cartridge designs. Thanks for sharing that awesome photo with us!

If some one asked me what they should buy first when getting into SNES, my answer would be the following:

 

Console modded for at least S-Video if not RGB. There may be a few other non-SD2SNES compatibile carts you may want, or a super Gameboy. But pretty much, that's all you really need for gaming on the actual hardware.

 

snescollect.jpg

 

Thanks for the information, I will certainly be on the lookout for this ever-increasing list of things to buy!

[Games Of Reference]

Oh yeah! While I don't "collect" for the SNES (i.e. the games that I bought full-price during it's heyday, are pretty much the same games I own today), I do have one "rare"

 

The story is after I got married and moved out to Seattle in 1999, I sought out temp jobs while we got ourselves settled. Although I was an engineer by trade, I took any quick work that would come my way at least at first. One of the jobs was at Nintendo sorting out letters in the mailroom where I lasted all of 2 or 3 weeks before being let go. They were REALLY strict with time, and I only got 30 minutes for lunch (or was it 15?). Anyway one day the Nintendo Store within there had a clearance sale. They had a huge box full of loose Pokemon Pikachu tamagotchis, some loose Virtual Boy demo games for the taking, and other stuff. I couldn't get to it until my lunch hour so a lot of the good stuff was gone.. but by "good stuff" I'm talking N64 because that was when the N64 was new. So I took the leftover scraps one of them was a loose SNES cart no one was paying any attention to. I bought it for $2(!). They also had the Starfox jacket.. but I totally passed on that one. I also grabbed a handful of other random swag, and that's pretty much it.

 

But yes.. best 2 bucks I ever spent. I honestly had no clue then too..

 

 

Missed one! Too many post to count, was going to miss one at some point!

 

Anyway, thanks for sharing your story with us. Certainly a great one, so many good things you got there! I guess that job was worth it, then? Clearly bagged you a bargain!

[fdurso224]

I wanted those so bad when I was a kid. I'm glad Viz Entertainment re-printed the Zelda one. Hopefully there is some hope for the Mario, Super Metroid and Star Fox comics to get reprinted.

 

If I only I made money back then, I'm sure I have had everything from those catalogs!

Boy, you said it Mike.

 

I really would love to get the Star Fox version of the comics. But I think it was just a Nintendo Power exclusive with Metroid Either way, I'm hoping that day will come!

 

Thank you as always Mike for what you do.

 

Anthony...

[keepdreamin]

 

Agreed. I just went with the RGB method with a Framemeister and it looks amazing, though I'm using a 1CHIP SNES1 instead of the model 2.

 

Any 1Chip should be good. The original '95 and earlier SNES isn't bad by any means. but if you've got other systems like a Genesis for example, you'll definitely notice the picture is a bit softer on the SNES by comparison. Kind of looks like someone touched up the image in photoshop with the smudge tool a bit. Setting the framemeister sharpness to 1 helps a bit.

 

Identical framemeister settings for both:

 

Original SNES:

 

RGB Restored Mini (1CHIP)

[mmertes]

 

Any 1Chip should be good. The original '95 and earlier SNES isn't bad by any means. but if you've got other systems like a Genesis for example, you'll definitely notice the picture is a bit softer on the SNES by comparison. Kind of looks like someone touched up the image in photoshop with the smudge tool a bit. Setting the framemeister sharpness to 1 helps a bit.

 

Identical framemeister settings for both:

 

Original SNES:

original.jpg

 

RGB Restored Mini (1CHIP)

1chip.jpg

That was my issue. The first console I plugged in to the Framemeister was a Genesis and its RGB quality blew me away. When I plugged in my original Super Nintendo from 1992, it looked good; just not as impressive. Thus my venture into picking up a 1CHIP and I can easily say it was worth the pick up for it. My 92 SNES is still in use though on the downstairs TV with the HD Retrovision cables attached.

[keepdreamin]

 

This dovetails with what I posted earlier: JUST GET SD2SNES

 

As your pic shows, there's a small handful of FX chipped carts that won't run on the flash cart, otherwise, no reason to participate in the collectard SNES insanity.

 

 

While that setup isn't "cheap" by any means, all totaled right around $500. If you were to buy for example: Earthbound, Pocky and Rocky 2, and Mega Man X3. You would have exceeded the cost of everything shown on just those 3 games. "collectard" is a hilarious portmanteau, btw.

Edited August 29, 2016 by keepdreamin

[Gentlegamer]

 

Any 1Chip should be good. The original '95 and earlier SNES isn't bad by any means. but if you've got other systems like a Genesis for example, you'll definitely notice the picture is a bit softer on the SNES by comparison. Kind of looks like someone touched up the image in photoshop with the smudge tool a bit. Setting the framemeister sharpness to 1 helps a bit.

 

Identical framemeister settings for both:

 

Original SNES:

original.jpg

 

RGB Restored Mini (1CHIP)

1chip.jpg

 

If you want authentic, CRT, no scaling.

 

Otherwise, use emulation.

[keepdreamin]

 

If you want authentic, CRT, no scaling.

 

 

 

What's your standard for authentic? People weren't gaming on PVMs with RGB back in the day. So tracking down a broadcast monitor today isn't an authentic experience. There wasn't component cables for the SNES back in the day. So using HD Retrovision cables with a late model tube set ain't authentic either. The SD2SNES isn't authentic.

 

If you're gonna claim "authentic" (whatever that is) you better be running your SNES with wired controllers,none of this fancy bluetooth nonsense, on a similar sized POS TV you owned back in 94 through RF input with no flash carts.

 

I gots me a Framemeister so I don't need to keep a leaded glass boat anchor around living on some extra tv stand tucked away in some inconspicuous corner, almost like the vintage AV stuff is on timeout . The nostalgia is for the old hardware, not the display. My SNES is gonna be plugged up to the big flat panel. So since I gots me a nice upscaler all the way from Japan, I'm gonna feed it the better video quality. Just so happens to be a 1chip.

 

I could use your "just use emulation" line as soon as anyone even mentions owning an actual SNES. Let alone buying a $200 flash cart. So you don't get to use the "just use emulation" line at the point we're talking about SNES picture quality. Way too late for that line in the sand. Nah, bro. You better be ready with that line from the beginning. There's really no reason to have any of this stuff to begin with.

[Gentlegamer]

I played on a C=128 monitor through composite back in the day, it was beautiful.

 

And yes, you're right about emulation. But playing on the original hardware through the intended display medium is authentic, even if a flash cart is involved. When people start doing RGB mods and get out the Framemeister, they're missing the point of playing on an actual SNES. If pristine display (with flash cart for ROM use) is what you want, emulation is the best option.

 

I didn't collect my SNES, I bought it on launch day in 1991 (my boxed SNES games are from that era, too). And my SD2SNES was free from Stone Age Gamer.

[keepdreamin]

But playing on the original hardware through the intended display medium is authentic, even if a flash cart is involved. When people start doing RGB mods and get out the Framemeister, they're missing the point of playing on an actual SNES. If pristine display (with flash cart for ROM use) is what you want, emulation is the best option.

 

 

So I take it you're against people doing screen upgrades in say a Lynx or Game Gear right? Cause those certainly weren't the intended displays from back then. Isn't authentic unless those handhelds are blurry with greyish black levels.

 

you're cherry picking what's supposedly authentic. If you're gonna use that word you better be in 100%. SD2SNES would have blown everyone's mind back in 95. All* the carts in something the size of a postage stamp. CD quality audio and video without a CD On a holy @*!^ scale to someone from the mid 90's, I'd say the SD2SNES is even higher than the super sharp displays we have now.

 

The point on playing on a SNES is whatever the user wants it to be. As for your tube tv requirements, you don't need a SNES to play SNES games on a CRT. I'm pretty sure a soft modded wii can be had for WAY less than a SD2SNES, and from my understanding the emus on that can do 240P to a CRT. So yeah, just use emulation.

Edited August 30, 2016 by keepdreamin

[Punisher5.0]

@Mayhem

 

Yep I missed your other post. You have a good collection of most of the greats.

[Punisher5.0]

Did I mention how awesome the SD2SNES is?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MG1xXeLspw

Excellent game for that!

 

Revolution X would be another great one. I was just listening to the Aerosmith song 'Eat the Rich' today and was thinking about how impressive it was that they got that song on the SNES unaided.

[keepdreamin]

Excellent game for that!

 

Revolution X would be another great one. I was just listening to the Aerosmith song 'Eat the Rich' today and was thinking about how impressive it was that they got that song on the SNES unaided.

 

Just one problem with that, the game would still be Revolution X.

[Punisher5.0]

Just one problem with that, the game would still be Revolution X.

 

Honestly Revolution X is one of my guilty pleasures

[keepdreamin]

Honestly Revolution X is one of my guilty pleasures

 

It's funny, today when a reviewer gives a game like a 6/10 people consider that harsh.

 

IGN gave the PS1 version a 1/10 back in the day, lol.

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/1996/11/25/revolution-x

[mmertes]

 

It's funny, today when a reviewer gives a game like a 6/10 people consider that harsh.

 

IGN gave the PS1 version a 1/10 back in the day, lol.

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/1996/11/25/revolution-x

Every arcade version I've come across has been broken, so I've never had the chance to play it. I think I have a copy of the SNES version floating around somewhere.

[Games Of Reference]

 

Any 1Chip should be good. The original '95 and earlier SNES isn't bad by any means. but if you've got other systems like a Genesis for example, you'll definitely notice the picture is a bit softer on the SNES by comparison. Kind of looks like someone touched up the image in photoshop with the smudge tool a bit. Setting the framemeister sharpness to 1 helps a bit.

 

Identical framemeister settings for both:

 

Original SNES:

original.jpg

 

RGB Restored Mini (1CHIP)

1chip.jpg

 

That looks really cool! So clean and crisp visuals. People really can do some amazing things with old consoles nowadays.

 

It's funny, today when a reviewer gives a game like a 6/10 people consider that harsh.

 

IGN gave the PS1 version a 1/10 back in the day, lol.

 

http://www.ign.com/articles/1996/11/25/revolution-x

 

Review scores seem to of been driven upwards today. In theory, 6/10 should be 'above average', but now many people believe a game rated that is awful, which is a same. This is one of the reasons I'm kinda against review scores, as the meaning of a number is ambiguous.

[empsolo]

I just bought a super Famicom and I have a question. Should I use the Hori AC adapter that came with it even though it's only rated for 100v input or should I use this Tomee 3 in 1 adapter that is rated at 120 volts?

[keepdreamin]

I just bought a super Famicom and I have a question. Should I use the Hori AC adapter that came with it even though it's only rated for 100v input or should I use this Tomee 3 in 1 adapter that is rated at 120 volts?

 

I'd just use the Hori supply. From what I've seen of their controllers they put out a solid product. Folks have been plugging up Japanese AV equipment (game consoles, arcade machines etc..) to 120V mains for years now without issue. From what I've read of those 3 in 1's, they're not the best and may have power demand issues once you toss in a SD2SNES for example.

[Games Of Reference]

Sorry guys about the lack of posting, I have been busy for a while now!

 

Getting back on track with what appears to be a semi-regular thing, another question!

 

As we have had a lot of positives, let's go negative. What is the worst SNES game you have played? I remember owning a terrible Thomas the Tank Engine game as a kid, but no specifics come to mind.

[empsolo]

The worst game I remember playing was Pit Fighter by Atari Games. Jesus, was that game utterly shit.

[Games Of Reference]

The worst game I remember playing was Pit Fighter by Atari Games. Jesus, was that game utterly shit.

 

I remember playing the Game Boy version of it. Horrible game, possibly one of the worst I've played.

[NE146]

Worst game for me was Power Moves.. made even worse by the fact that I think I payed a large amount.. maybe $60 but it could have been $75. Yeah they were price-gouging because of Street Fighter 2 mania and I fell for it hook line and sinker Looking at it now, it's not SO bad, but it sure felt that way back then.

 

Pit Fighter was actually a worse game, but I only rented that so it stung a lot less.

Edited September 3, 2016 by NE146

[mmertes]

Sorry guys about the lack of posting, I have been busy for a while now!

 

Getting back on track with what appears to be a semi-regular thing, another question!

 

As we have had a lot of positives, let's go negative. What is the worst SNES game you have played? I remember owning a terrible Thomas the Tank Engine game as a kid, but no specifics come to mind.

Space Ace. So bad, I cried. Like actually shed tears.