From the Atari dedicated system forum "atari to make a new game console"

[+phoenixdownita]

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/256618-atari-to-make-a-new-game-console/

 

Fitting as the petition explicitly names the Jaguar and only the Jaguar!!!!

[PikoInteractive]

Great, Thanks for spoiling it. I've been working hard to acquire the Jaguar trademark from Atari. Now if they see this they will want a ton of money killing the project.

[+phoenixdownita]

Great, Thanks for spoiling it. I've been working hard to acquire the Jaguar trademark from Atari. Now if they see this they will want a ton of money killing the project.

If you forgot the <sarcasm> tag. (and it's not my petition, just found it amusing)

 

If you're serious they will see that they can't get anyone to petition anything and give it to your for free.

 

And by god what would you do with the Jag TM?

I gathered you were keen on ST ports before a rough couple of post with CJ .... anyway I think you stated you bought the rights to some old properties (ST format and such) not sure if the Jag TM would help one bit but I'd be interested into the marketing decision behind it.

[dilinger]

Great, Thanks for spoiling it. I've been working hard to acquire the Jaguar trademark from Atari. Now if they see this they will want a ton of money killing the project.

About 15 years ago, Hasbro Interactive released all rights that they have to the vintage Atari hardware platform, the Jaguar.

In theory the SDKs, tools and tech. documents may be included but I never read the official Hasbro Release document(s).

[82-T/A]

As cool as the idea would be... we're nearing the apex of the technology curve where it's unlikely we'll have too many console-based systems too much further into the future. If everyone doesn't eventually go towards a "Steam Box" type of set-up... it'll eventually go in that direction then anyway.

 

With bandwidth speeds being what they are... the only reason why a system would have a CD/DVD/BR drive is if you wanted to play older stuff. I doubt seriously the next Playstation or Nintendo console (if even) will have a drive.

[racerx]

I doubt seriously the next Playstation or Nintendo console (if even) will have a drive.

 

Nintendo's NX is rumored to be going back to cartridges, with flash memory being so cheap.

[MathUser]

As cool as the idea would be... we're nearing the apex of the technology curve where it's unlikely we'll have too many console-based systems too much further into the future. If everyone doesn't eventually go towards a "Steam Box" type of set-up... it'll eventually go in that direction then anyway.

 

With bandwidth speeds being what they are... the only reason why a system would have a CD/DVD/BR drive is if you wanted to play older stuff. I doubt seriously the next Playstation or Nintendo console (if even) will have a drive.

I'm pretty sure the next playstation will have a disc drive. Being a blu-ray/DVD player has always been a big selling point of Sony consoles.

[82-T/A]

I'm pretty sure the next playstation will have a disc drive. Being a blu-ray/DVD player has always been a big selling point of Sony consoles.

 

 

Nintendo's NX is rumored to be going back to cartridges, with flash memory being so cheap.

 

 

Oooooh kay, but you guys understand where I'm going with this right?

 

I hope you guys aren't suggesting somehow that the world is moving towards removable media... because it most certainly isn't. If they even end up doing what you say, it would probably be the last time they do it.

 

No one buys Blu Ray movies anymore either... most people use Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, or On-Demand. I honestly don't know a single person anymore who actually buys the physical media anymore for movies.

[+madman]

There is no Atari, only Zuul.

[racerx]

 

I honestly don't know a single person anymore who actually buys the physical media anymore for movies.

 

Now you know at least one.

 

There are still a lot of people (myself included) that like to actually own what we own. Not rent, not stream, but own. I can loan it to a friend to watch. The kids can watch it in the van. I can bring it to a party without worrying if their big screen is internet enabled. I can resell it when I'm done. The whole digital business model has a little bit to do with consumer convenience, but a whole lot to do with making more money. If I want a movie in my collection, I'm buying physical media.

[+madman]

Now you know at least one.

There are still a lot of people (myself included) that like to actually own what we own. Not rent, not stream, but own. I can loan it to a friend to watch. The kids can watch it in the van. I can bring it to a party without worrying if their big screen is internet enabled. I can resell it when I'm done. The whole digital business model has a little bit to do with consumer convenience, but a whole lot to do with making more money. If I want a movie in my collection, I'm buying physical media.

Same here, I've only streamed movies a few times and I have an Amazon Prime account that lets me watch, well I'm not sure what it lets me watch, but I've only used it a handful of times. Most blu-rays are dirt cheap anyway, so why not? I'd maybe consider an itunes movie download if it had some exclusives that weren't on a physical release, but other than that, it's just not my bag.

[82-T/A]

 

Now you know at least one.

 

There are still a lot of people (myself included) that like to actually own what we own. Not rent, not stream, but own. I can loan it to a friend to watch. The kids can watch it in the van. I can bring it to a party without worrying if their big screen is internet enabled. I can resell it when I'm done. The whole digital business model has a little bit to do with consumer convenience, but a whole lot to do with making more money. If I want a movie in my collection, I'm buying physical media.

 

I know man... I'm the same way. I don't like streaming, and I certainly don't like the policies that exist now that don't let you really "own" a game. It's part of the reason why I rarely even buy games anymore.

 

That said... you and I are an anomaly. People are moving in droves to streaming services, and few people are actually buying DVDs and music on physical media. It just is what it is... no matter how you feel about it, or how you feel it's wrong.

 

I made a post on Steam forums asking why we have to have DRM, and I was crapped on pretty spectacularly. Today's generation really doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Everyone uses the argument of.. "what if my house burns down." or... "what if I am too lazy to get up and put the DVD in the drive..." etc.

 

 

If arguments were won, I'd win this one, but not because I want to... or because I agree with it.

[Video]

I also prefer physical media. Nothing kills streaming faster than the Internet being down over the weekend. Besides I actually like alternate/deleted scenes commentaries proper synched subtitles and hell if it wasn't for adds id never have a clue what else is out there. Yeah I have Internet in millions of flavors but I'm usually doing more important things than looking up games and movies. Games and movies are what I do when I'm not working.

 

I wouldn't be one to say streaming is a fad or anything like that. But then streamers shouldn't assume physical media is going anywhere either as that would be equally ignorant. How long has blue ray been dead? Dvd? Cd? Radio? Books? Etc... only when a legitimate replacement comes out will a media truly die off like how movies aren't made on Vhs anymore.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Video

[Flojomojo]

Ever since Apple started storing your purchases in the cloud, and showing they have the business sense to stay open for the foreseeable future, I've been buying stuff on iTunes. No more clutter, and the stuff I get can play everywhere. It's been years since I've dug out a disc to play, and that's all right with me. If I really "needed" to dig out my BluRays to watch a Pirates of the Caribbean triple feature, I could, but til then, this is working for me.

 

I get the "hang on to your media" argument, it makes sense for special, one of a kind beloved things, but for everyday commercial dross, I don't need to be storing or backing that stuff up.

 

Some almost-benevolent DRM: Disney Movies Anywhere, which lets you link up ITunes, Google (incl YouTube), Vudu, Microsoft, Amazon, and Verizon accounts such that if you buy in one place you can play them anywhere. If other purchases were like that, I'd be even happier ...but since most of our family stuff is Marvel/Disney/Star Wars anyway, it's awesome.

[82-T/A]

I also prefer physical media. Nothing kills streaming faster than the Internet being down over the weekend. Besides I actually like alternate/deleted scenes commentaries proper synched subtitles and hell if it wasn't for adds id never have a clue what else is out there. Yeah I have Internet in millions of flavors but I'm usually doing more important things than looking up games and movies. Games and movies are what I do when I'm not working.

 

I wouldn't be one to say streaming is a fad or anything like that. But then streamers shouldn't assume physical media is going anywhere either as that would be equally ignorant. How long has blue ray been dead? Dvd? Cd? Radio? Books? Etc... only when a legitimate replacement comes out will a media truly die off like how movies aren't made on Vhs anymore.

 

 

Look, I wish you were right, I really do... but your not (I mean this in a nice way). physical media "IS" going away. It's not an if, it's a when.

 

The reason why it's going away is because the younger generation doesn't mind it, and don't have a problem with it.

 

I have a huge Case Logic DVD / BlueRay sleeve folder that holds 500+ DVDs. I can't even remember the last time I opened it up to pull out a DVD. I also own the box set for Monty Python's Flying Circus, and Miami Vice (since I live in Miami), and I haven't pulled one of them out to put it in the DVD player since I've owned them. Yet, I do watch movies... but through On-Demand. Like Flomojo... I just don't have time to fiddle with CDs / DVDs, quite frankly.

 

I'm much more likely to pull the computer games out of the other Case Logic folder... but it's still pretty rare.

 

I support physical media for all the same reasons you do... exactly all the same reasons.

 

But... that's progress...

[skip]

There are countries / regions where streaming isn't always practical. Physical media isn't going aways just yet. I like streaming, but that won't stop me buying Blu Rays of good stuff or fun stuff (Marvel, Star Wars, hell most action movies, they generally look comparatively arse when streaming). Besides, when the local net connection goes screwy, I go to my cupboard with 500+ movies and have an abundance of riches, while those saddled with Netflix only are stuffed.

[+save2600]

 

No one buys Blu Ray movies anymore either... most people use Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, or On-Demand. I honestly don't know a single person anymore who actually buys the physical media anymore for movies.

 

Wha?!

 

I literally purchase some form of physical media nearly every week. Amazon, eBay, Best Buy, other misc. independent online stores, local brick and mortar, etc. Newly remastered CD's, box sets of some of my favorite artists, DVD's, Blu-ray, LP's and used cassette tapes. Sure, I watch my fair share of movies and documentaries on Netflix/Hulu, but have purchased dozens of DVD's and Blu-ray I would have never heard of otherwise thanks to the variety or programming you get with those services. And only use YouTube to quickly check something out and if it interests me enough (like a Gene Pitney concert I could only find in the UK recently - stuff like this is why I region mod my Blu-ray and DVD players), I seek the physical copy out. Why? Because NOT having something at my fingertips whenever I want it, is obnoxious to me. I like to entertain and be entertained when and where I want. Cannot rely solely on certain things to be streamed forever and not ignoring the obvious tradeoff in quality, will always opt for the real thing.

[82-T/A]

 

Wha?!

 

I literally purchase some form of physical media nearly every week. Amazon, eBay, Best Buy, other misc. independent online stores, local brick and mortar, etc. Newly remastered CD's, box sets of some of my favorite artists, DVD's, Blu-ray, LP's and used cassette tapes. Sure, I watch my fair share of movies and documentaries on Netflix/Hulu, but have purchased dozens of DVD's and Blu-ray I would have never heard of otherwise thanks to the variety or programming you get with those services. And only use YouTube to quickly check something out and if it interests me enough (like a Gene Pitney concert I could only find in the UK recently - stuff like this is why I region mod my Blu-ray and DVD players), I seek the physical copy out. Why? Because NOT having something at my fingertips whenever I want it, is obnoxious to me. I like to entertain and be entertained when and where I want. Cannot rely solely on certain things to be streamed forever and not ignoring the obvious tradeoff in quality, will always opt for the real thing.

 

 

Guys, I am totally on board with the reasoning that you guys are saying... I feel the exact same way that you guys do.

 

However, that doesn't change reality. This is a forum for vintage video / arcade game afficionados. Nearly everyone here probably would prefer physical media.

 

But the rest of the 1st world does not feel this way.

 

 

I can't express this enough, but the market is NOT moving in the direction of physical media. It's moving away from it. So again, it's not a situation of if... but when.

[+save2600]

Nah, not anytime soon is what I'd argue. I know PLENTY of audio and videophiles that all prefer physical media and enjoy having libraries so to speak. There are soooo many magazines (electronic and paper) and companies devoted to it still. Movie re-releases getting 4K mastering treatment (both original Ghostbusters, American Werewolf in London, etc.) director cuts of movies (Star Trek Wrath of Khan on blu-Ray) and hi-res audio re-releases going on every single day on all digital formats, including the new hi-res Blu-ray audio only discs. Always something new to talk about. Reissues of just about anything on LP too: Rush and The Moody blues catalog to name a couple quickly come to mind. Despite what you've heard or feel, these are the greatest times for physical media ever. Soooo many choices, it's crazy trying to keep up with them all! And of course, there's the brand new 4K format and their players - both physical in every sense of the word.

www.elusivedisc.com
www.acousticsounds.com
www.blu-ray.com

Just a few of my favorite sites where lots of people get the skinny on all the new physical releases!

[TheDevil'sCompass]

On topic for the off topic.

 

I think there are multiple branches of this discussion which make both sides true. For the general masses what 82-T/A has been saying is exactly what is happening. Pick up any industry publication and it's most of what they talk about. Physical media is giving way to digital media. The majority of consumers will be steered toward either directly purchasing digital media or subscribing to streaming services that provide the video or audio they're looking for. All for the sake of convenience or quality or something. But the decision to switch from one media to another is purely a financial one and that decision is being made by the content producers, not the consumers.

 

However when it comes to music and TV Shows/Movies there will probably be some form of physical media available at least for the next several decades. Until us in the older generation die off, there will be a considerable population who simply prefers to spend their money on an actual physical product. Some people who are spending their disposable income on digital only products are finding that they've literally disposed of their money! Purchasing items to resell isn't what all of us are about but sometimes selling some of your possessions is the best way to raise some much needed cash. That's impossible with the movies in my Vudu account. Sure I still have those movies, but I don't even watch all of them now. That's also why I buy Blu-rays with Vudu codes. There's rarely much if any of a financial advantage to purchasing digital only versions anyway. The major studios will probably hang on until the end but they'll only produce their predicted best sellers on physical media. You can see that happening now with DVD and Blu-Ray. There are new movies released on DVD now that never get a Blu-Ray release. It all comes down to costs.

 

When it comes to video game consoles, I think physical media will die much quicker. I'd guess that the majority of gamers interested in newer systems are also pretty tech savvy and have decent broadband. It still won't be happening this year or even next, but it will happen. It won't matter how much consumers fight it either. Once the decision is made by the producers, that's the way it will be. It's like all those EULA that we're all bombarded with when we install new software. Sure you can click "Cancel" to not agree with the EULA but if you actually want to use the program you have to click "OK".

 

One segment where physical media will hang on the longest will be with independent producers (video game, audio and movie). This is also where the niche markets come in, like those mentioned by save2600. While new LPs are being produced, I can guarantee that you won't find the new Overkill album in that stack at the store or online. With costs dropping on everything tech related, independent producers can finally enter a new market or continue to support a legacy system. I'm an independent filmmaker and having the ability to have DVDs or Blu-rays manufactured to either sell or give away is fantastic. Nothing beats handing a physical copy to someone at a convention or sending one to a distributor or reviewer. Not all streaming services will even talk to individual producers so getting your movie in Netflix isn't as easy as getting your android game in the Google Play store.

[skip]

However when it comes to music and TV Shows/Movies there will probably be some form of physical media available at least for the next several decades.

 

Precisely. Currently there's dozens of (paid) online sources for movies, and not everyone will pay to subscribe to each one. And they change what content is available. And, as I alluded to before, not everyone has ubiquitous high speed internet (due to stupid political decisions, the Australian 'NBN' will be hobbled and a mixture of technologies for the next several decades). The global average speed is increasing, but it's still at around ~5 or 6 Mb/s. Many countries barely have have enough 'average' speed per dwelling to view one HD or even 'standard definition' stream on Netflix, never mind 4K. I'm out of the loop on current physical media technologies, but I've recently seen 4K Blu Ray available now. Sure, it's adoption won't be fast, some would say it's not going to pick up any traction...however, if you live in a country with speeds below the ability to stream 4K or even HD, what else will allow you to get the most out of your shiny new 4K TV?

 

Globally, I foresee physical media being around in some form or another for years. Partly because of what I've mentioned above, partly because people are used to the long-lived tradition of owning physical copies of their own media, and partly because those who may (or may not) stream, but don't want to be beholden to the movie / music companies dictating how and when they can consume what they purchase (or pay for).

 

Re: new Atari console - that was an April fools joke. Still, painful looking controllers aside, I'd like to get hold of that rendering, create such a box, and then lump a device (PC?) that can emulate all Atari systems inside of it. I'd definitely put it in front of my TV

[Keatah]

 

I know man... I'm the same way. I don't like streaming, and I certainly don't like the policies that exist now that don't let you really "own" a game. It's part of the reason why I rarely even buy games anymore.

 

That said... you and I are an anomaly. People are moving in droves to streaming services, and few people are actually buying DVDs and music on physical media. It just is what it is... no matter how you feel about it, or how you feel it's wrong.

 

I made a post on Steam forums asking why we have to have DRM, and I was crapped on pretty spectacularly. Today's generation really doesn't seem to have a problem with it. Everyone uses the argument of.. "what if my house burns down." or... "what if I am too lazy to get up and put the DVD in the drive..." etc.

 

 

If arguments were won, I'd win this one, but not because I want to... or because I agree with it.

 

Today's generation doesn't know enough to make an informed choice.

 

Nothing, absolutely nothing beats watching what you want when you want. If the price of that privilege is a little higher then so be it. It's well worth it. Screw streaming and everything that blows with it.

 

Don't cite the "anywhere anytime anything" premise. It doesn't work. Last think I'm gonna be watching is a Star Trek episode at the Air Show. And certainly not on a 4" phone screen.

 

If they're too lazy to get up and change a DVD that's their problem. They're probably fat and lazy anyway.

 

 

 

 

[Keatah]

I get the "hang on to your media" argument, it makes sense for special, one of a kind beloved things, but for everyday commercial dross, I don't need to be storing or backing that stuff up.

 

I try not to watch any of that commercial dross to begin with. Watching TV and movies is still a special event chosen with care.

 

I also don't buy into that anytime/anywhere/anything mentality. If I'm out and about it's usually for a purpose. And them I'm there, fully, in mind and body, doing whatever it is we set out to do. If I'm out photographing an air show, I'm there photographing the airshow! Not fucking around with a 2" phone screen or sexting or whatever it is they do on those things.

Edited September 6, 2016 by Keatah

[Keatah]

Re: new Atari console - that was an April fools joke. Still, painful looking controllers aside, I'd like to get hold of that rendering, create such a box, and then lump a device (PC?) that can emulate all Atari systems inside of it. I'd definitely put it in front of my TV

 

I have a totally kick ass emulation rig, all customized and everything. The hard work is done.

 

Now this fall I'd like to kick back and design a housing with Syd Mead / Chang overtones. Get it out of the square black box it now resides in.

 

Their artwork is simply fantastic and evocative of anything and everything "future". Designs like this clear the mind of all today's garbage and lay forth a palette of optimism and possibilities.

 

http://blog.iso50.com/19111/atari-computer-concepts/

https://www.google.com/search?q=Atari+design+chang&biw=1024&bih=623&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwin4Ira__nOAhUF7yYKHfZEDTIQ_AUIBigB#tbm=isch&q=syd+mead

[Schizophretard]

If people are moving away from physical media then why is there so much more of it now compared to the past?

 

Go to the video section of Walmart and in your mind change all the Blu-rays and DVD's into VHS tapes. Go to each movie, count how many copies are on that shelf, and then increase their dimensions to that of VHS. Look at the box sets of TV shows and imagine instead of being in boxes about the size of a VHS for a whole season them being converted into VHS with maybe one or two episodes on a tape. For an example, take the box sets for just all the Star Trek shows, put them in a small corner of your cart, and then imagine how much of that you could really fit in your cart if they were VHS. Then imagine the space that would be taken up if all the TV shows where VHS. Do that with the entire video section. Don't leave anything out. Count all the movies, all the TV shows, and the quantity of each then convert the volume of those small cases for discs to that of VHS. And don't forget to add extra tapes for the bonus features for each movie and show. After doing that thought experiment you will see that just the video section of Walmart has more videos on physical media than a dedicated video store back in the VHS days. Video sections just look about the same as they always have because the cases are smaller than VHS and them being smaller is exactly why it has become more convenient to own physical media and easier to find more titles because there is more shelf space to provide variety. Then for the titles you can't seem to find instead of calling up video stores you looked up in the yellow pages it is much easier now to find them online.

 

Concerning online streaming, it seems to be more of a replacement for video rentals at Blockbuster, used for cord cutters who are fed up with cable/satellite bills, and more of complementing people's physical video collections instead of entirely replacing them(One of the reasons digital copies are popular now). Granted, there are people who only stream video but back in the VHS days there were those that didn't have video collections and only watched broadcast/cable TV who only used VHS for their DVR. Music may be an exception to the rule but its very nature has always been portable. You would put your tape/CD in your home stereo, boombox, car, Walkman, etc. So, it makes sense that people would move to downloads or streaming music. But out of those people not all of them are paying for it. Many use only the free services like the people that only listened to FM radio. Then out of the people that do pay for it not everyone is having it streamed but downloaded to physically be on their devices because they like to own their music.