emkay Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 And some update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 If I don't have an xex, I can't hear or play these.... watching wave forms in a window is no fun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 3, 2020 Author Share Posted August 3, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 7, 2020 Author Share Posted August 7, 2020 Seems, particular stuff will never change. After all this years, MIDI Import to RMT is horrible. Using any dedicated tool, with prepared data, seems to have an own will Hey Converter, I want to have you pattern " A A# B C C " imported to RMT. why do you give me "B A H C# D" ? Answer: "It's the same" . OK. So I leave some parts of your calculated "chords", and several patterns run with real notes. Let's see the result... ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 8, 2020 Author Share Posted August 8, 2020 A working Midi to RMT converter would solve a lot problems. Particularly it would save a lot time, as POKEY finetuning is time consuming enough. What to expect over 40 years after the release of the 800? What could be too hard, to save patterns , notes and instruments from midi to rmt? Just set the real notes, then do the technical stuff manually, to keep the right frequency for the note ? Sooooo hard. An impossible treat... . It's also toooooooooooooo hard to set instruments to the range of what POKEY can do, and give the instrument the name "1 2 3 octaves lower or higher " ... As no one is interested in having good music played on the Atari, such a tool would help to solve things, rather than to beg for know-it-alls for some cooperation that never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 16, 2020 Author Share Posted August 16, 2020 Enough for today.... Btw. The part from 1:45 is playing the full octaves incl. 1-4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 For the records... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 (edited) Nice YouTube video ba emkay! Edit: I like this sound a lot more than your pulse width modulation experiments where the pulse width goes outside 30%-70% duty cycle range. It makes me cringe, like a lot of SID tunes that utilize the same effect, although a bit muffled by their filters, but still. Brrhrhrhrhr shiver ? This is one of your best efforts ? Edited August 17, 2020 by ivop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 13 minutes ago, ivop said: Nice YouTube video ba emkay! Edit: I like this sound a lot more than your pulse width modulation experiments where the pulse width goes outside 30%-70% duty cycle range. It makes me cringe, like a lot of SID tunes that utilize the same effect, although a bit muffled by their filters, but still. Brrhrhrhrhr shiver ? This is one of your best efforts ? Let's see, when it's finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 18, 2020 Author Share Posted August 18, 2020 OK. Some test of more fluent note changes. Also the 4 octaves instrument sound clearer/less noisy now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 I wonder , If I should add some of the low pass fx to the melodic part, before adding more content. It's a very hard task, when the Tracker isn't supporting it directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 19, 2020 Author Share Posted August 19, 2020 Any suggestions? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 20, 2020 Author Share Posted August 20, 2020 OK. For some private reason I had to release this version... All notes are in there now. I wonder , if things can be optimized here and there in the emulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 Remember the tune some pages above? And how advanced it is going using 4 channels by simulating a real MOD Tracker? The limits are not reached in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 Don't know about it. seeing the response about this tune, makes me think it is still too bad. This one is now building a progression from a little lower to just some part at two octaves higher. Altirra gets picky with the timing there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) With the background of the notation that works for POKEY, the instruments still can be optimized for better results. This time I added different PWM intruments for the "high" notes to have less timing problems with emulations, particular Altirra. Also, a lot volume changes done to have it a little sweeter at all. Edited August 25, 2020 by emkay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 26, 2020 Author Share Posted August 26, 2020 Addotional "fiddling" with the high notes part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 It keeps improving. Still quite some ticks in the beginning. Is that because of "altirra timing problems"? Why don't you capture from real hardware? 2:46-2:52, 4:03-4:09, really needs some work. That's brainpiercing out of tune. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, emkay said: Addotional "fiddling" with the high notes part. Some of the stuff sounds cool - almost an "electric violin" type sound. The slides are nice. But as mentioned, when the strong sawtooth waves come in, the bad tuning is so jarring it kills everything good about the song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, ivop said: It keeps improving. Still quite some ticks in the beginning. Is that because of "altirra timing problems"? Why don't you capture from real hardware? 2:46-2:52, 4:03-4:09, really needs some work. That's brainpiercing out of tune. That's the type of useful posts. Well, that part is an example of super high notes. The lack of Altirra wouldn't be a problem, if it was possible to create faster corrections in the tracker. You might know that every correction plays a false tone till the next update. It is no problem with low notes, but it gets more problematic the higher the notes get. While it is a slight change of a temperature at low notes, it is like jumping through the universe by just changing the pitch one step. Inbetween the changes sound like some chord ... I'm still on it. Edited August 27, 2020 by emkay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted August 27, 2020 Author Share Posted August 27, 2020 another step... Not sure, if there will be a 100% version to fit to everyone's taste. But , one thing is pretty sure: If someone of the 70 was listening to this tune the first time, he wouldn't realize listening to POKEY. Particular , if taking care of the programming of POKEY itself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 I agree, another step up. Here's an idea. Not sure if it's doable, but... What if you change the channel configuration for the whistle part? Right now, you have 1 and 3 for chords, bass and drums. 2+4 for the melody. For the whistle part(s) you could change to 1 and 2 for chords, bass and drums, and use 3+4 as a 16-bit channel for the melody. Glissandos could be problematic, but they are so high, I doubt you would hear it. Otherwise I suppose some sliding notes could be done with a frequency envelope in the instrument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 19 hours ago, emkay said: Not sure, if there will be a 100% version to fit to everyone's taste. But , one thing is pretty sure: If someone of the 70 was listening to this tune the first time, he wouldn't realize listening to POKEY. Particular , if taking care of the programming of POKEY itself. That is very true - Atari user since 1982 and there are definitely some unique sounds here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 @emkay, can you do a GOOD Talking Heads "Burning Down the House" PoKey version using NO IllOps so it will run on my 65c802? Some really nice synthy effects in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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