zbyti Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Mistake Edited October 3, 2020 by zbyti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, zbyti said: Mistake Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 I thought I discovered something but it was only my ordinary mistake :] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 4, 2020 Author Share Posted October 4, 2020 23 hours ago, zbyti said: I thought I discovered something but it was only my ordinary mistake :] Both of your links really sound different. One is sounding much more stable in the "bass" sounds. I wonder about the sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted October 4, 2020 Share Posted October 4, 2020 (edited) Rzóg (probably, MADS sources) Vs. Jaskier/Marok CMC player Edited October 4, 2020 by zbyti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) Why I love SID? One of the reasons is clang bass :] You can hear it for example in this little tune: https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/S/Scortia/Kloroform.sid @miker is it possible to do that on A8? EDIT: another one by Scortia https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/S/Scortia/Horizon.sid Edited October 8, 2020 by zbyti another one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 hours ago, zbyti said: Why I love SID? One of the reasons is clang bass :] It's always interesting how much taste can differ. For me it sounds like digestion problems... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miker Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 @zbytiRaster has done something like this back in the day, just without arpeggios. Can be done more or less similar. The program has to allow changing both channel when synth is enabled. horror.rmt 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miker Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) And oh, something I've used in Twin Cars. Don't know if it plays there. rmt_talk.rmt rmt_talk.xex Edited October 9, 2020 by miker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share Posted October 9, 2020 6 hours ago, zbyti said: Why I love SID? One of the reasons is clang bass :] You can hear it for example in this little tune: https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/S/Scortia/Kloroform.sid @miker is it possible to do that on A8? EDIT: another one by Scortia https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/S/Scortia/Horizon.sid Everything has it's goods and bads SID has the triangle, and the analog low pass filter. This is something unique in those old sound devices. While it is great for synthesizing instruments, SID has too less channels to benefit for "all" music. The "muffled blubber" doesn't really work as an "acoustic bass" . That's why many tunes sound "grown up" when they do remakes of SID tunes on the NES chip. Every channel there has it's limits, but the count of channels is the salvation . POKEY could do this type of music, if you keep in mind, how low the CPU usage in my edits actually is! So, playing a digitized bass channel is no problem. The "Reharden" demo shows that there is also enough time to play several notes. But the demo doesn't really use the stable modulation method. Hardsynth+Hardbass=perfect music on the Atari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 48 minutes ago, emkay said: Hardsynth+Hardbass=perfect music on the Atari = non-existent tracker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) THX @miker @Irgendwer where your ears grown up if you can hear digestion problems in Scortia music? Maybe you ate something stale? Edited October 9, 2020 by zbyti digestion problems 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 hours ago, emkay said: The "muffled blubber" doesn't really work as an "acoustic bass" . acoustic maybe not but electric bass is great https://deepsid.chordian.net/?file=/MUSICIANS/S/Shogoon/Ritual_II_tune_2.sid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share Posted October 10, 2020 zbyti asked about special "bass FX" . So I was thinking of "how to explain in a demonstration?" Here is a Silk Road Remix, using some "bass slides" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Sounds like drunk spaceman music. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share Posted October 10, 2020 27 minutes ago, MrFish said: Sounds like drunk spaceman music. It sounds like something POKEY cannot do at all ;). The basses are some "impression". RMT divides the bass and clean generator like all POKEY software is doing. The missing notes below the clean tones could have been placed in a row for just as it has to be used: The bass range of the audible part, where the clean notes won't work. So doing bass slides more properly is also a "missing feature. But, at the end of the day YouTube again made me happy. It still recognizes the original content 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 All useful and interesting sounds. I just got the impression of an unstable spaceman walking around. A tracker with the needed features to exploit POKEY to the best possible advantages is long overdue. Maybe opening a thread and discussing how such a tracker could be designed would be a good way to get someone interested in developing it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 That would be amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 11, 2020 Author Share Posted October 11, 2020 OK. This time no drunken astronauts. Sometimes I really don't get it, why people like a tune and why not. It's "typically chip tune sounding" . Back to clean trumpets Also some different playing with the basses. And some "phaser" added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 14, 2020 Author Share Posted October 14, 2020 Last version of this tune. YT is always recognizing the original music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 Here something different (again) There is a tune, I'd really like to hear played on the Atari. Here is the start. Just a loop to explain something It plays "one instrument" from a#2 to D#5 . The problem of a "not so good" control here is the need of getting some reverb into it. So there is actually one correction done in the pattern. What it shows? 1) Even the 16 bit "sawtooth" isn't sufficient enough 2) Using gen a at 16 bit gives a lot volume problems. Not to do every needed adjustment in RMT shows some unwanted cancelling. But the result is good enough. The rest of the tune has longer synth sweeps and doesn't move in the range of octaves that much, so the were not a real problem Let's see if I could find the time to "hack" another yotube video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 hmm... 100% stable "3 operator" sound. The rest of the tune could be easy peasy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 That's Atariscene . 42 seconds of "absolutely impossible stuff" but no response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted October 18, 2020 Author Share Posted October 18, 2020 Reminder: POKEY can only play 2 octaves "clear" . But this small loop plays "4 octaves" clearly. There are also no "volume" problems. Not to mention that octave 5 has not been used in other tunes yet. And a notation range from octave 2 to 5 is far beyond all written Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, emkay said: 42 seconds of "absolutely impossible stuff" but no response. Maybe not everyone can handle this sounds? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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