EnderDude Posted September 13, 2021 Share Posted September 13, 2021 If any of you also want to take a look at the module, here's the .rmt and visualizer .obx (thanks, VinsCool!): Agent_X_II_-_Level_1.obx Agent X II Level 1.rmt 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 6 hours ago, VinsCool said: That sounds fucking GREAT! Feels good to hear my patch in action right there, tuning is excellent in this tune with all these settings combined together. Except the tooth pulling here and there, it's fine. After 0:59 to 1:40 things get interesting, because there is that touch of a "low pass filter" , this had to be forced 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, emkay said: Except the tooth pulling here and there, it's fine. After 0:59 to 1:40 things get interesting, because there is that touch of a "low pass filter" , this had to be forced I'm glad you like some of the parts my cover had to offer. I appreciate that! If you feel so inclined to make changes to the lead instrument, I have uploaded the relevant files for your convenience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 Just now, EnderDude said: I'm glad you like some of the parts my cover had to offer. I appreciate that! If you feel so inclined to make changes to the lead instrument, I have uploaded the relevant files for your convenience. Thanks for releasing the RMT. I'll check it later 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 Again a version to get a feeling for it. Seems gen. E isn't correct supported in the gen. 2 patch? So I used my "crap banjo" there It's also (still) the problem with the timing, and actually a little hard in this tune to determine where to put the corrections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Markowitz Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) Ninjaed Edited September 14, 2021 by Maury Markowitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 To stealthily edit published online content after the fact, correcting a mistake - either factual or grammatical in nature - after a commentator has called out said mistake (usually in the comments section) without the original author acknowledging that an error has occurred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, emkay said: Again a version to get a feeling for it. Seems gen. E isn't correct supported in the gen. 2 patch? So I used my "crap banjo" there It's also (still) the problem with the timing, and actually a little hard in this tune to determine where to put the corrections. THAT PESKY WOBBLING!!!!!! Edited September 14, 2021 by EnderDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 hour ago, emkay said: Again a version to get a feeling for it. Seems gen. E isn't correct supported in the gen. 2 patch? So I used my "crap banjo" there It's also (still) the problem with the timing, and actually a little hard in this tune to determine where to put the corrections. Also, sorry I didn't upload the appropriate patch to edit it with, but here ya go: RMT Patch 16 Beta6.zip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 It's not unsolvable It just takes more time to edit, save and play it in Altirra, till it fits. It's also to get the feeling about it, where to change things and where to "let the goodies going on". It also seems, I'd have to play the martyr and to listen to the SID , to optimize things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 1 minute ago, emkay said: It's not unsolvable It just takes more time to edit, save and play it in Altirra, till it fits. It's also to get the feeling about it, where to change things and where to "let the goodies going on". It also seems, I'd have to play the martyr and to listen to the SID , to optimize things If you want to make sure that all the notation is as good as it can possibly be, I can provide you with the SID to MIDI file I used as a reference (vibratos are messy!): Agent_X_II_The_Mad_Profs_Back_subtune1.mid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 14, 2021 Author Share Posted September 14, 2021 (edited) Here a quick update. Some (more) parts sound outstanding now imho Edited September 14, 2021 by emkay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 14, 2021 Share Posted September 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, emkay said: Here a quick update. Some (more) parts sound outstanding now imho Nice progress I hear! I can tell that it's just a game of whack-a-mole when it comes to making everything sound as clear as possible. Also, I highly recommend you use that patch to make use of all the distortions to their fullest extents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 16, 2021 Author Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) Btw: Which version is the latest version that includes the gen. 2 patch? But I have to say that I like the lower start more, so I still kept it. Some parts, particular the fast note changes were still horrible to get fully clean. 1) The timing differences 2) The missing active control It's the more fun, if the reached sweep of the synth enhances the tune... Edited September 16, 2021 by emkay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 Honestly, I prefer the last version Enderdude has made. This take is not bad at all, many of the Distortion 2 and A combinations are pretty nice in channel 1, but several things just don't work very well together. The intro notes using the PWM is on the wrong octave. Several instrument envelopes don't fit very well in the lead, mainly the volume ramping ones in some parts that demanded a sustained volume level instead. The part around 1:21 when the bass switched back 15khz to 64khz is out of tune, no idea why 2 incompatible notes were used between channel 2 and 4, there was no point to. Around 2:20 the entire ending is... totally off, before reverting to the intro section, which was equally odd to hear. These 2 part do technically fit together, but not in the tune as a whole. I'm a little perplexed by the motivation behind these changes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) See below. Edited September 16, 2021 by EnderDude Duplicate post. Oops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, VinsCool said: Honestly, I prefer the last version Enderdude has made. This take is not bad at all, many of the Distortion 2 and A combinations are pretty nice in channel 1, but several things just don't work very well together. The intro notes using the PWM is on the wrong octave. Several instrument envelopes don't fit very well in the lead, mainly the volume ramping ones in some parts that demanded a sustained volume level instead. The part around 1:21 when the bass switched back 15khz to 64khz is out of tune, no idea why 2 incompatible notes were used between channel 2 and 4, there was no point to. Around 2:20 the entire ending is... totally off, before reverting to the intro section, which was equally odd to hear. These 2 part do technically fit together, but not in the tune as a whole. I'm a little perplexed by the motivation behind these changes. I don't particularly understand why either. 6 hours ago, emkay said: Btw: Which version is the latest version that includes the gen. 2 patch? But I have to say that I like the lower start more, so I still kept it. Some parts, particular the fast note changes were still horrible to get fully clean. 1) The timing differences 2) The missing active control It's the more fun, if the reached sweep of the synth enhances the tune... The only issue that we're trying to get rid of at this point is the phase silence, which is a real pain considering the phase can be different between RMT, Altirra, and maybe even real hardware. Don't get me wrong, I see where you're coming from Emkay, but due to the nature of the hardware it's kinda pointless. I spent a lot of time also trying to fix the phasing, but that'd just move thin or even silent parts somewhere else. Imo, thin is better than nothing! But I'd definitely appreciate it, Emkay, if we'd start to work with each other, instead of being bitter and critiquing each and every single detail. We can get much farther along if we do that, and that starts with you in turn sharing your edited modules with us to learn techniques and improve songs and covers as a whole. Edited September 16, 2021 by EnderDude 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) Alright so tonight I was testing some stuff with my Visualizer and I just couldn't resist the urge, I made my own edit of Enderdude's cover, this time I applied my own "Absolute" Filter manipulation method into it. The result so far makes me pretty happy, there is little to no phase cancellation happening now, so every playback should be almost identical, even in RMT it sounds most of the same there Also unrelated but I got some of the Visualizer tighter with the timing, and that most definitely help a lot for the stability. Enjoy If we're making it a team of 3, that definitely will be a really great example of what the POKEY can do! [Edit] now there's some stuff I really need to get done for once and for all, speaking of POKEY music, it's really time to get done with that one too lol Agent X II Level 1 VinEDIT1.obx Agent X II Level 1 VinEDIT1.rmt Edited September 17, 2021 by VinsCool Addendum 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, VinsCool said: Alright so tonight I was testing some stuff with my Visualizer and I just couldn't resist the urge, I made my own edit of Enderdude's cover, this time I applied my own "Absolute" Filter manipulation method into it. The result so far makes me pretty happy, there is little to no phase cancellation happening now, so every playback should be almost identical, even in RMT it sounds most of the same there Also unrelated but I got some of the Visualizer tighter with the timing, and that most definitely help a lot for the stability. Enjoy If we're making it a team of 3, that definitely will be a really great example of what the POKEY can do! [Edit] now there's some stuff I really need to get done for once and for all, speaking of POKEY music, it's really time to get done with that one too lol Agent X II Level 1 VinEDIT1.obx 16.95 kB · 3 downloads Agent X II Level 1 VinEDIT1.rmt 9.37 kB · 3 downloads Aw sweet! So I learned that all these tricks really come with experience. I really wanted to get a lot of phasing in the song, but I learned it's not worth making some notes go thin. So keep phasing to a minimum in the song, and it should be good. Thank you! Edited September 17, 2021 by EnderDude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 17, 2021 Author Share Posted September 17, 2021 Actually, I always asked about cooperation. And I promised to share every single step, if a tune of MY request is used. Armageddon Man (the SID style) was one of those requests. "Vixen" or "Golden Axe" because they are very special. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 On 9/12/2021 at 11:09 AM, emkay said: btw... tbedp.xex 4.33 kB · 34 downloads So I've learned that there are 5 basic kinds of pwm instruments. For the output, there's one which resets the phase, and another which keeps the phase from the last note. It should be noted that for the phase reset instrument, it has to go silent for a bit to reset the phase. For the carrier, there's one which goes below the base frequency and one which goes above. These two change the phase in opposite directions. Lastly, there's one which stays on the base frequency, which doesn't change the phase at all. The phase reset instrument was the huge secret I wanted to figure out this whole time. I appreciate it that you let me see that file to take a look at the instruments. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 It is really recommended to find the correct tuning, before doing stuff like "phasing" . This means to put the resulting waves to the correct frequency. Then, when everything is stable, the FX should be added... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, EnderDude said: The phase reset instrument was the huge secret I wanted to figure out this whole time. I appreciate it that you let me see that file to take a look at the instruments. Thanks. There are several videos in the thread showing that. It would be all so easy, if the whole software was stable, to rebuild everything directly in the editor of the tracker. There has been done a lot and particular the latest RMT patches by VinsCool were a real relief, as the results and demonstration just became more clear. Edited September 18, 2021 by emkay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderDude Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, emkay said: It is really recommended to find the correct tuning, before doing stuff like "phasing" . This means to put the resulting waves to the correct frequency. Then, when everything is stable, the FX should be added... You mean determining whether the instruments being used are tuned with the notes they are supposed to play? Yes, that's priority. I've mentioned a while back it would be advisable to use RMT patch 16 beta 6 to be able to use 1.79 mhz dist E in the intro, since it's more in-tune than 15khz pwm, but since a lot of changes were made, it might be a lot of work to change it back to that. Edited September 18, 2021 by EnderDude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 Btw. 1) The Intro Instrument fits very well. 2) Gen. E sounds interesting at 1.79MHz. But it should be usable similar to the gen 2 patch , also gen. 4 3) The discussion seems to drop aside that the whole tune sounds f'''ng cool in my latest edit. Now imagine a POKEY tracker that allows everything "active" not just "passive". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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