emkay Posted February 25, 2021 Author Share Posted February 25, 2021 Some thread pushing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted February 25, 2021 Share Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) My all time fav sid track, I'll kill you if you mix dying cat in it :] EDIT: I listened... Edited February 25, 2021 by zbyti Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 so what's the original like ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, rensoup said: so what's the original like ? If my ears aren't deceiving me, this is the tune. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 9 hours ago, zbyti said: My all time fav sid track, I'll kill you if you mix dying cat in it :] EDIT: I listened... If you found dying cats in it you're definetly deaf. On the other Hand, If you know all about chords and music. Why don't you do a conversion, to showwhat you prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 In fact , due to some weird bass incorrectness the SID isn't running fully in tune. It doesn't sound like dying cats, but there are cats in the SID tune. Listen to the master of SID: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzspeed Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Hmmm... All bias aside, the POKEY version sounds like an arcade machine playing the tune, while the SID version sounds like proper synthesis. Sorry. I even got my Wife to listen (who doesn't care what platform it's on and I didn't tell her) and even she stated beyond all doubt the SID version sounded better. I hear no inaccuracies in the bass of the SID version (the SID version actually has bass) and I hear no dying Cats in either version. People are entitled to their personal opinions, that's mine. However, a nice cover using POKEY nonetheless. Edited February 26, 2021 by Mazzspeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, emkay said: If you found dying cats in it you're definetly deaf. On the other Hand, If you know all about chords and music. Why don't you do a conversion, to showwhat you prefer? I thought that "dying cats" it's shortcut to yours false notes and detuned instruments I love SID version, I listed this music form time to time since '90. POKEY it's too difficult sound chip for me but in other hand I'll never release something destroying so good music ? Why you must chose so iconic music for yours experiments? Edited February 26, 2021 by zbyti typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Mazzspeed said: Hmmm... All bias aside, the POKEY version sounds like an arcade machine playing the tune, while the SID version sounds like proper synthesis. Sorry. I even got my Wife to listen (who doesn't care what platform it's on and I didn't tell her) and even she stated beyond all doubt the SID version sounded better. The "Pokey" tune is a 4 channel version taken from a MOD file . 8 hours ago, Mazzspeed said: I hear no inaccuracies in the bass of the SID version (the SID version actually has bass) Yes. The "bass" is the SID's real benefit. There is no chance to play such bass with POKEY. But way round, SID sounds too muffled, and the musician uses a lot Vibrato and Arpeggios to make it sound in tune. 8 hours ago, Mazzspeed said: and I hear no dying Cats in either version. People are entitled to their personal opinions, that's mine. However, a nice cover using POKEY nonetheless. Nice to read. Thanks for your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 hours ago, zbyti said: Why you must chose so iconic music for yours experiments? Why do you think it's iconic? It's nothing special on the C64. And I'd everytime prefer the NES remake for it's clear sound and more fluent music flow. You know, there are still software issues making full POKEY development. But the result shows more than people might expect. Giving inspirations, whatever. Also there is no other "Supremacy" tune. There are several answers for that: -People don't really like the C64 tune -People think, it's not possible at all - People do other stuff I did some additional test yesterday and found that this way no yelling happens. That's why I posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zbyti Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, emkay said: Why do you think it's iconic? It's nothing special on the C64. And I'd everytime prefer the NES remake for it's clear sound and more fluent music flow. If you had a Commodore in the nineties like me, you would know why this is iconic music :] Edited February 26, 2021 by zbyti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 33 minutes ago, zbyti said: If you had a Commodore in the nineties like me, you would know why this is iconic music Yeah, it was iconic BITD. Perhaps I should try an atarisid6 conversion tonight. Wonder why I never did that yet ? You gotta love the VIC-20, and the C16 in there Plus two Gameboys, and a bunch of analog effects. I doubt they really play it live though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, emkay said: Yes. The "bass" is the SID's real benefit. There is no chance to play such bass with POKEY. 15kh mode, or 16bit tuning combined to high pass filter can work for creating convincing SID bass on POKEY 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 1 hour ago, zbyti said: If you had a Commodore in the nineties like me, you would know why this is iconic music :] I still have a Commodore since 1989 , but it doesn't sound iconic. OK . It's an Amiga 2000 :] 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, VinsCool said: 15kh mode, or 16bit tuning combined to high pass filter can work for creating convincing SID bass on POKEY My goal for good bass sounds always was to have all available channels producing a resulting wave like this one. It clearly shows a triangle based wave plus harmonics. https://atariage.com/forums/topic/258292-nothing-special/?do=findComment&comment=4297302 Edited February 26, 2021 by emkay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinsCool Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 Ah I see now, unison and octave resulting sound, that's indeed very pleasant, and a bit too easy to get weird because of the tuning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) Try Hard Bass for the Atari... make sure to plug into a stereo, most monitors don't let you hear Atari's lower bass floor... sorry but sid is still a muffled mess of angry bumble bees for me... they did a good job of using samplers, processors and mixers to clean things up for the video, having a machine for left and right wasn't a bad choice either. I've heard a handful of good sid stuff over the years that play on a standard machine and the results actually had decent timbre though. It is possible. But most sid stuff is simply flat, muffled bzzzzzz Edited February 26, 2021 by _The Doctor__ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 26, 2021 Author Share Posted February 26, 2021 Btw. There are more options to do a great Supremacy tune. I once posted some additional phaser mod tunes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivop Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 17 minutes ago, _The Doctor__ said: having a machine for left and right wasn't a bad choice either. That's just for the video. Neither the VIC-20, nor the C16 has a SID chip. The VIC-20 had its VIC chip, and the C16 had the TED sound chip. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 (edited) too busy looking at the foreground, and to be honest didn't look to close to the mock ups, since they really aren't playing c64's anyway anyway.. it's akin to movies where all the cords aren't connected or the video graphics don't match the computer used. you can use anything you want to act triggers for stuff though, in a midi world at least. Edited February 26, 2021 by _The Doctor__ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzspeed Posted February 26, 2021 Share Posted February 26, 2021 5 hours ago, emkay said: Nice to read. Thanks for your statement. No problem. I can appreciate the effort you put into the tune and the difficulties you would have faced in doing so. Recreating such a tune using POKEY wouldn't have been easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 On 2/19/2021 at 4:39 PM, Stephen said: This is what I will now call the "angry squirrel" response to almost every new post in the forum yeah because that squirrel is nuts! trying to follow it as is wigs out is impossible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted February 27, 2021 Author Share Posted February 27, 2021 52 minutes ago, _The Doctor__ said: yeah because that squirrel is nuts! trying to follow it as is wigs out is impossible! If you cannot follow, why just trying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 6, 2021 Author Share Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) Another 15kHz tune... Edited March 6, 2021 by emkay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 7, 2021 Author Share Posted March 7, 2021 Update + some 1.79MHz instruments. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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