SpartaDOS with H: drive?

[Steve Mynott]

Is there anyway of using SpartaDOS with the H: drive? I can get BwDOS to work under Altirra!

Edited October 24, 2016 by Steve Mynott

[flashjazzcat]

You can't access CIO device names from the SDX CP. In Altirra, set up a PC folder as an emulated SDFS volume, or best of all emulate the PCLink device for easy R/W access to the host file system via the PCL: device name.

[russg]

Is there anyway of using SpartaDOS with the H: drive? I can get BwDOS to work under Altirra!

SpartaDOS can recognize up to D9: The letters A: to I: are treated the same

as D1: to D9: Configuring a drive to D9: I don't believe any drive has that dip switch setting.

Altirra recognizes up to D8: which is the same as up to H: .

This comes from SpartaDOS manual. I've never actually tried 'H:'.

OK, I tried D8: in Altirra. It doesn't work with the drive letters.

I can't test with real hardware as I have no way to set a drive as 8.

Actually I could test to see if 'A:' is treated the same as 'D1:'. on real hardware.

edit: I think I was reading the SpartaX book. So maybe won't work with 3.2g.

Edited October 25, 2016 by russg

[russg]

SpartaDOS can recognize up to D9: The letters A: to I: are treated the same

as D1: to D9: Configuring a drive to D9: I don't believe any drive has that dip switch setting.

Altirra recognizes up to D8: which is the same as up to H: .

This comes from SpartaDOS manual. I've never actually tried 'H:'.

OK, I tried D8: in Altirra. It doesn't work with the drive letters.

I can't test with real hardware as I have no way to set a drive as 8.

Actually I could test to see if 'A:' is treated the same as 'D1:'. on real hardware.

edit: I think I was reading the SpartaX book. So maybe won't work with 3.2g.

 

I checked. You need SpX to address a drive with letters. 3.2d shows a letter if you type it, but it doesn't work to read a directory.

Actually, no SpX doesn't do letters either. So I'm not sure of anything.

Edited October 25, 2016 by russg

[flashjazzcat]

I thought the OP was talking about SpartaDOS X... but probably not. Or maybe he is.

 

In any case: SD 3.x will handle "H:" perfectly well from the command line. SDX won't, for the reasons I described above. In SDX, "H:" effectively means D8:. In SD 3.x, "H:" means the host device.

[576XE]

Any version of Disk based Sparta x33*.

 

There are some utilities for access H: from SDX.

I've renamed them in unix manner as ls - for listing Directory and cp - for files exchange...

 

Not so hard deal to type ls or cp instead of dir or copy for making the same work in SDX environment.

[Steve Mynott]

Yes I was talking about SDX. PClink is what I was looking for!

[+Roydea6]

http://sdx.atari8.info/index.php?show=en_download_special

 

 

You need the toolkit.atr to find PCLINK.SYS

[_The Doctor__]

so the emulator to be compliant with all dos should pick higher letter and patch that in...

[flashjazzcat]

so the emulator to be compliant with all dos should pick higher letter and patch that in...

 

No it shouldn't. Any DOS CP or menu which provides direct access to CIO drive identifiers and doesn't prohibit other device names (like "E:", "S:", etc) will work just fine with "H:" (there was an issue with MYDOS not wanting to copy files to anything but "Dn:", but that's another matter). As already noted, SDX is an unusual case since it doesn't allow access to devices from the CP via CIO device IDs at all. Instead, it uses its own kernel device names: DSK:, CON:, PRN:, etc. This was done partly to allow MS-DOS style drive letters (A:, B:, C:, etc), and partly because it's ultimately much more flexible (i.e. the PCLINK device might otherwise be called "P:", which clashes with the printer: using the SDX scheme, it's called PCL: from the CP and DPCL: from the CIO).

 

PCLINK completely solves the issue of host filesystem access under SDX, and since Altirra emulates PCLINK, there is no problem.

Edited October 26, 2016 by flashjazzcat

[_The Doctor__]

didn't realize pclink was supported and would suffice so the original poster could have just been told about pclink and then all this would not have been discussed... so what was the solution for mydos?

[flashjazzcat]

Yes: he was told about PCLink in post #2 and appears happy with the solution. I guess the rest is bonus info.

 

Reaching into my memory, I think MYDOS had a check for D: and choked on anything else. Patching out the check fixed it.

[_The Doctor__]

oh noes another MyDOS variant! nice information as always FJC. I always enjoy the pieces of information, just wish some sort a wiki existed to organize and make it so all the tidbit are at our beck and call!

[Kyle22]

oh noes another MyDOS variant! nice information as always FJC. I always enjoy the pieces of information, just wish some sort a wiki existed to organize and make it so all the tidbit are at our beck and call!

What's a "beck"... No, seriously, what is it? I don't know.

 

I assume you meant "beckoned call"

 

Sorry, that has always been a pet peeve of mine.

 

Hope you are well

[BillC]

I believe _The Doctor__ had the correct phrase, beck appearing to be an old abbreviation of beckon. Of course with it being an old phrase many people may not have heard of it, especially those to whom english is not their first language.

 

The correct phrase is “beck and call.” If you are at someone's beck and call, you respond immediately whether he or she beckons or calls; it implies complete subservience.

It's an old phrase, originating in the late 1800s, during a time when “beck” was used to mean “beckon.”

 

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/beckon-call-or-beck-and-call

Edited October 27, 2016 by BillC

[flashjazzcat]

Yep. "Beckon call" is the eggcorn... "Beckoned call" doesn't pull any results at all.

Edited October 27, 2016 by flashjazzcat

[greblus]

Damn. I'm trying to lose some weight and... Nevermind .

 

W.

[_The Doctor__]

I just wanted to let everyone know about some things I have found interesting in the past.

 

While my writings continue to become replete with errors and awkward structures as I deteriorate...

 

 

The first recorded use of 'beck and call' in print was in Aemilia Lanyer's set of poems Salve Deus Rex Judaeorum, 1611

The Muses doe attend vpon your Throne,

With all the Artists at your becke and call;

Who exactly messed up the phrase? Why the main stream media of course.... NEWSPAPERS! ...

a quick search of the quote reveals:

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/beck-and-call.html

This is the kind of thing that I find interesting and amuse myself with from time to time.

_The Road Warrior__

[_The Doctor__]

To beck or not to beck, that is the question.....

 

Just feeling a bit silly and thinking about our word beck.

 

Trust me I'm never winning a grammar award!

[+Stephen]

This is why it's not always a good thing to try to be pedantic

[flashjazzcat]

Yes: Far be it for me to sound like a rebel rouser, but I'm in full agreeance that the media doesn't pass mustard here and it's time we nipped it in the butt. Grammarists get a bad wrap in this day in age but to all intensive purposes we just have a deep-seeded desire to tow the line. It's an abject lesson in how journalism has gone to hell in a handbag.

[Kyle22]

Sorry for the off-topic. I guess I had never looked it up. It just sounds funny to me.

I have no problem admitting when I'm mistaken.

[fujidude]

Yes: Far be it for me to sound like a rebel rouser, but I'm in full agreeance that the media doesn't pass mustard here and it's time we nipped it in the butt. Grammarists get a bad wrap in this day in age but to all intensive purposes we just have a deep-seeded desire to tow the line. It's an abject lesson in how journalism has gone to hell in a handbag.

 

And it's not just on your side of "the pond" either. So called journalists around here often seem to have trouble even with basic grammar. You can pretty much guess that proper fact checking sources and silly stuff like that almost never happens. They just reword & regurgitate reports they get elsewhere, or just don't bother to fact check primary sources.

 

It's truly gotten to the point that not only is getting news from "the internet" not really inferior to "proper" news outlets, but I dare say it can actually be better.

Edited October 28, 2016 by fujidude

[_The Doctor__]

says it all