Buy a real nintendo instead...

[Andromeda Stardust]

The AVS looks great, but I think it could be made cheaper. I'm happy with my MiST and now Zx-Uno, but neither takes carts.

Funny you mention this, but AVS is the cheapest "real" cart based solution that does not rely on software emulation or ghetto NOACs which are inherently flawed and cannot be updated. The upcoming NT Mini costs 2.5 times as much as the AVS and no other off-the-shelf FPGA solutions currently available which are less expensive. Adjusted for inflation, the AVS is definitely cheaper than an original NES console was bitd.

 

 

http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/statistics

 

The fastest known human reaction time is .101 seconds, so while it's within the realm of possibility that your fastest reaction time is .110 seconds, that would be something I'd have to see to believe. The average reaction time on that site is .277 seconds, with a sample size of nearly 39 million.

 

This note on their website is funny:

 

With all due respect, humanbenchmark.com could have many sources of lag in the chain. The display device connected to your PC, the input device connected to your PC, software drivers that control the input and output devices, the javascript that runs the app from within the web-browser, the web browser itself, any background apps that happen to be running on the PC or mobile device in question. A multipurpose device like PC or mobile in an uncontrolled setting is hardly scientifically accurate. BTW, here are my results:

 

 

Measurement of human based reaction time should be done in a controlled testing environment free of distractions.

 

The simplest means to measure human reaction speed would be a microcontroller paired with a highly accurate oscillator. A bright lime green LED is illuminated (lime green color because this is the light frequency the cones in your eye are most sensitive to), then the user hits a button (preferably a plunger style arcade button with a soft micro switch) as soon as they see the LED. The button and the LED are connected directly to the input/output of the microcontroller which counts the precise amount of time between lighting the LED and closing the switch. Alternately, a beep could be used for auditory feedback instead of an LED. I would be interested to see whether the brain can respond faster to visual or auditory stimulus. I'm guessing visual would be slightly faster because auditory requires oscillations detected for the ear drum to pick up on tones.

[Andromeda Stardust]

Weird, despite being left handed, my left thumb is faster than my right forefinger. I just did a trial of 10 and got 267ms average using my left thumb. Also here's my best single score so far, 153ms:

 

For the record, I am using the touchpad on my fiance's Win7 laptop, which are known to be slower than USB mice. If the app supported keyboard presses instead, the result would likely be lower.

 

Also I bet running the app on Mac or Linux would likely be faster due to all the MS bloat.

[Andromeda Stardust]

Agreed, the problem is in some cases they didn't bother fitting the new plane with seats and there's a wooden chair bolted down in the cockpit.

 

The AVS looks great, but I think it could be made cheaper. I'm happy with my MiST and now Zx-Uno, but neither takes carts.

More like an unmanned drone, hahaha!

 

Seriously, I wonder how much lag there is on a remote controllled drone like the military uses?

[icemanxp300]

wait a second the lower is better LOL.

 

There you go LOL

 

 

 

[MaximRecoil]

With all due respect, humanbenchmark.com could have many sources of lag in the chain. The display device connected to your PC, the input device connected to your PC, software drivers that control the input and output devices, the javascript that runs the app from within the web-browser, the web browser itself, any background apps that happen to be running on the PC or mobile device in question. A multipurpose device like PC or mobile in an uncontrolled setting is hardly scientifically accurate. BTW, here are my results:

 

The average on that site (277 ms) is pretty close to averages reported elsewhere, for example:

 

The average reaction time for humans is 0.25 seconds to a visual stimulus, 0.17 for an audio stimulus, and 0.15 seconds for a touch stimulus.

 

https://backyardbrains.com/experiments/reactiontime

 

And:

 

The average reaction time of a human is approximately between 0.2 s to 0.25 s.

 

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/reactiontime.shtml

 

And they also say it has increased on that website over the years, so the averages from when most everyone was using a CRT monitor were probably right around 250 ms.

 

Weird, despite being left handed, my left thumb is faster than my right forefinger. I just did a trial of 10 and got 267ms average using my left thumb. Also here's my best single score so far, 153ms:

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For the record, I am using the touchpad on my fiance's Win7 laptop, which are known to be slower than USB mice. If the app supported keyboard presses instead, the result would likely be lower.

 

Also I bet running the app on Mac or Linux would likely be faster due to all the MS bloat.

 

I would say that 153 ms is a fluke, considering how much lower it is than your averages. In all likelihood you predicted on that one. A good prediction could get you as low as 1 ms if you're lucky.

 

I tried it a few times. My best times are 210 ms (twice), 211 ms, 212 ms, and 213 ms. My best 5-try average was 218 ms:

 

 

Which, when I clicked "save score", they said was in the top 89 percentile:

 

Edited November 22, 2016 by MaximRecoil

[icemanxp300]

Theres a score for you guys to beat

[Andromeda Stardust]

^^Probably the most scientific approach would be for a doctor to do the rubber hammer on the knee thing under a high speed camera and measure the response time. It's an invouluntary reaction, so I doubt a conscious effort (which requires actual mental processing) would be much faster. Of course, neural impulses do not travel at the speed of light so there is considerably less delay between the brain to forefinger and brain to knee. Perhaps biting on a billet, puffing into a straw, twitching an eye, or moving some other facial muscle (like how they do with systems designed to allow paraplegic people to communicate with people and computers) would result in marginally faster reaction times due to shorter neuron paths.

 

Theres a score for you guys to beat

I'm gonna try it on my desktop PC later, in a darkened room, with no audio distractions. My fiance was also watching TV while I was testing, and due to my severe ADHD, I cannot tune out background noise well.

[icemanxp300]

I'm gonna try it on my desktop PC later, in a darkened room, with no audio distractions. My fiance was also watching TV while I was testing, and due to my severe ADHD, I cannot tune out background noise well.

 

In all honest I pre-clicked about 4 times before I got that score. My real scores are more like 240's.

 

 

i'll try when I'm not tired and see if I can get faster.

[MaximRecoil]

wait a second the lower is better LOL.

 

There you go LOL

 

 

reaction lowest.jpg

 

 

 

Theres a score for you guys to beat

 

[Andromeda Stardust]

 

In all honest I pre-clicked about 4 times before I got that score. My real scores are more like 240's.

I got a 50ms time during my 50 score average, but did not take a screenshot!

 

37ms, bitches!

 

I figured out a dirty little secret by playing with the app alongside the system clock:

 

The amount of time that transpires between the first click and the green screen is always an exact multiple of one second. The minimum time lapse is 3 seconds; not sure what the maximum time lapse is. So by rythmically clicking start and stop in rythm with the tick of the system clock, it is possible to click stop three seconds after clicking start. Since the amount of 'fouls" allotted is unlimited, it would be possible to click while anticipating the third tick of the system clock. Whatever input lag associated with the initial zero second click will also be applied to the next three second click, so with careful excecution, and extremely short 5 attempt average could be achievable and pushed to the website, and that is human effort without the use of bots.

 

[MaximRecoil]

I got a 50ms time during my 50 score average, but did not take a screenshot!

 

[Andromeda Stardust]

Damn, freaking damnit dude, you beat my best "cheat" score by 1ms, and I was using the system clock!!!

[Andromeda Stardust]

Top 99% percentile, finally, using 3 seconds between taps, and a metric ton of fouls. I suck at rythm games btw...

 

 

BTW, shouldn't that read "top 1% percentile" ???

 

Sadly, my 5th score was the worst attempt, and the only one above 200ms. My average was 126ms after 4/5 attempts with a best of 60ms...

[MaximRecoil]

BTW, shouldn't that read "top 1% percentile" ???

 

Yes.

[+phoenixdownita]

Wrt lag we went over it a little in the Z3K topic:

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/242970-fpga-based-videogame-system/page-34?do=findComment&comment=3582743

 

I took Street Fighter as an example and in the move list there are cases where it's literally 2/3 frames startup, so lagging even just 30ms (that is ~2 frames btw) is something you'd notice. One of Ryu punches has 3 frames startup, 3 frame active and a grand total of 6 frames before one can start another move, 6 frames at 60Hz is 1/10 of a sec = 100msec .... so yeah in some games it does make a difference. [Note those are SF IV timings, not sure if SF II was more relaxed or even more tight, I'm too old for it anyway ]

 

Also:

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/242970-fpga-based-videogame-system/page-34?do=findComment&comment=3584485

 

Now a lot fo games do not react that fast to begin with so no issue there.

Unbuffered CRT (no 120Hz crap) is king when it comes to lag free rendering due to the nature of the pipeline.

 

Wrt the XRGB mini:

http://junkerhq.net/xrgb/index.php/XRGB-mini_FRAMEMEISTER#Does_XRGB_Mini_add_input_lag_.3F

so 20ms is a little more than 1 frame, how much a digital TV adds internally I do not know but I wouldn't be surprised if it is at least another frame.

 

I am still staying away from CRTs these days but I reckon that lag is present and actually modern games do compensate for that already.

[keepdreamin]

I would be interested to see whether the brain can respond faster to visual or auditory stimulus. I'm guessing visual would be slightly faster because auditory requires oscillations detected for the ear drum to pick up on tones.

 

You actually react faster to sound.

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4456887/

[+GoldenWheels]

How are you playing that, exactly? Competitively, or cooperatively?

Doesn't the latter always turn into the former?

[icemanxp300]

You all aint got shit on me!

 

 

 

 

 

My REAL high score is 175.

[+phoenixdownita]

You all aint got shit on me!

 

Reaction lowest 1.jpg

 

 

 

 

My REAL high score is 175.

 

Not too bad for MSPaint!!!

[MaximRecoil]

You all aint got shit on me!

 

Reaction lowest 1.jpg

 

 

 

 

My REAL high score is 175.

 

[+phoenixdownita]

 

I've got credit this time (slow day):

 

[icemanxp300]

faster.jpg

 

Not too bad for MSPaint!!!

 

was not paint, just pre-clicking.

[MaximRecoil]

 

was not paint, just pre-clicking.

 

The one he posted was an MS Paint edit of the one you posted, i.e., he flipped the 9 to make a 6. He also did an edit of the one I posted; he added a dash to make it look like a negative number.

Edited November 23, 2016 by MaximRecoil

[+phoenixdownita]

 

was not paint, just pre-clicking.

not you

 

 

The one he posted was an MS Paint edit of the one you posted, i.e., he flipped the 9 to make a 6. He also did an edit of the one I posted; he added a dash to make it look like a negative number.

^^^^ what he said ^^^^

[icemanxp300]

 

^^^^ what he said ^^^^

 

I no longer read what he says. It is a waste of time to communicate with a person who lacks the ability to not be incorrect and argues against 20 different people that he is right and everyone else is wrong.