FlorianD Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 Arrived today via mail. didn't do anything else after coming home from work, but repairing my 1010. And now it works again! Thank you very much, Magic Knight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACML Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Good information for those with the original 410 made in Japan by Sanyo. These have the aluminum carry handle (see photo). Unlike the more common Hong Kong 410 that has three belts, this version (with carry handle) only has two belts. One main drive belt for PLAY/FF/RWD and a counter belt. So there is bad news and good news. The bad news is that the 410 belt kit is for the Hong Kong 410s. The good news is that the play belt in Magic Knight's 410 kit (3 belts) is an adequate substitute and will work on this Japanese 410. None of the three belts in the kit will work as a replacement for the counter belt in this original 410 (Japan) if that one is broke or stretched out. Before I ordered these, I pretty much assumed they'd be different as what are the odds that a Japanese Sanyo player would use the exact same belt as one from Hong Kong. Luckily one of them is close enough to serve as the PLAY/FF/RW belt. So, I just said that I'd "take one for the team" and give it a try. Unfortunately for me, once I fixed the belt, I discovered that one of the rubber friction wheels no longer makes sufficient contact on the other wheel for FF to work. There has been some information in other 410 belt threads that claims that the two 410s share the same belts and that is just not the case. I wanted to thank Magic Knight for having these kits available as I ordered this with eyes wide open knowing there was a chance it wouldn't work. If there is anyone CONUS that needs a 410 belt kit, PM me and I'll send it to you. ACML 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 Good information for those with the original 410 made in Japan by Sanyo. These have the aluminum carry handle (see photo). Unlike the more common Hong Kong 410 that has three belts, this version (with carry handle) only has two belts. One main drive belt for PLAY/FF/RWD and a counter belt. So there is bad news and good news. The bad news is that the 410 belt kit is for the Hong Kong 410s. The good news is that the play belt in Magic Knight's 410 kit (3 belts) is an adequate substitute and will work on this Japanese 410. None of the three belts in the kit will work as a replacement for the counter belt in this original 410 (Japan) if that one is broke or stretched out. Before I ordered these, I pretty much assumed they'd be different as what are the odds that a Japanese Sanyo player would use the exact same belt as one from Hong Kong. Luckily one of them is close enough to serve as the PLAY/FF/RW belt. So, I just said that I'd "take one for the team" and give it a try. Unfortunately for me, once I fixed the belt, I discovered that one of the rubber friction wheels no longer makes sufficient contact on the other wheel for FF to work. There has been some information in other 410 belt threads that claims that the two 410s share the same belts and that is just not the case. I wanted to thank Magic Knight for having these kits available as I ordered this with eyes wide open knowing there was a chance it wouldn't work. If there is anyone CONUS that needs a 410 belt kit, PM me and I'll send it to you. ACML Thanks ACML for updating on the particulars on the oldest recorder for the Atari! I think until now it's kinda been an urban myth about the mechanism in the Japan 410 and I'm thinking that unless it's a fairly unused, then the variable movements of the spindle/cogs etc make this a bit or miss on this particular model. Would be interesting in the legends if Atari changed tape player plant as these were not reliable or something, but I expect it was a cost thing (like the 1010). Looking forward, I will look to do tests on this model at some point when I can. In the same spirit as you have shown and to say thanks, I've refunded your payment on this as I think you've added a good piece of information that has been unclear until now. I may source more suitable belts for the 410 Japan models for future but it will take a bit of time for research and of course checking. Look forward to continuing this to its satisfactory conclusion! Cheers, Magic knight 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurtm Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 In the same spirit as you have shown and to say thanks, I've refunded your payment on this as I think you've added a good piece of information that has been unclear until now. I may source more suitable belts for the 410 Japan models for future but it will take a bit of time for research and of course checking. Class act right there. If/when I come across my old 410 or get another tape player for my Atari, I'll be coming to you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erichenneke Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Installed the belt kit to fix my 410 today and it is working great. Also had to clean the read head, but now it loads every time. Very cool. Although it makes me appreciate my floppy drives even more again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 Installed the belt kit to fix my 410 today and it is working great. Also had to clean the read head, but now it loads every time. Very cool. Although it makes me appreciate my floppy drives even more again. Nice one, The read head needing cleaned is probably best done for every unit just comming back to life for soem years (in many cases). Doing a Fast forward and rewind of a long loading tape is also helpful to bed in the belts and mechanisms again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
erichenneke Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Nice one, The read head needing cleaned is probably best done for every unit just comming back to life for soem years (in many cases). Doing a Fast forward and rewind of a long loading tape is also helpful to bed in the belts and mechanisms again. Yes, that did seem to be the behavior. At first the right-side cassette wheel wasn't turning properly (like it was going in spurts) and the games would eventually get a boot error. That's when I decided to clean the head as well. But to be honest, I was also doing a lot of fast forwarding and rewinding at that point too. So it may have just needed this bedding process you are referring to, because that's when the right-side wheel starting spinning consistently and after that every single cassette I have (about a dozen) loaded up without any issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultrasteve Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Just fitted both my 1010 and XC12 belts. 1010 is working great, but I'm not sure there isn't a bigger problem with my XC12 than the belt, as Rewind only works if I push down on the button REALLY hard! Very pleased with the 1010 belt though, thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 Just fitted both my 1010 and XC12 belts. 1010 is working great, but I'm not sure there isn't a bigger problem with my XC12 than the belt, as Rewind only works if I push down on the button REALLY hard! Very pleased with the 1010 belt though, thanks! The Rewind and Fast Forward buttons are unique in that they have to small metal plates/contacts that can get bent and be too far apart for the plastic inside to push them together to make contact, also, because of the microscopic arcing on the surface of the contacts, where contact is actually made, can get dirty with corrosion and carbon build-up from the arcing. The contacts themselves are copper, and they have a specific dimple in the metal where they connect, since it is so small, it can get dirty, quickly. I'm putting a complete tear-down, repair, replace, and put-back-together, post together for the standard model 410 drive which should be insightful for you. I'll have it up by later today. I have found a variety of information online concerning these tape drives, and since I needed to do this process with both of my 410's, I decided to make it educational for those who come across this thread looking for some "rubbers". And a fix for those seemingly "broken" drives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultrasteve Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 That would be awesome, thanks! And great tip - I'll wait for your guide before I have a look at mine again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 That would be awesome, thanks! And great tip - I'll wait for your guide before I have a look at mine again. Sorry for the delay, I took over 350 HQ pics, and I'm learning new video editing software. The guide will take 2 formats: a slide show featuring narration, and a text and pictures archive file for easy searching. The archive will be released after the video, as renaming pictures, and applying captions takes more time. But I wanted to give an update, and not leave you with a wink and a promise, since it's taking more time than I expected to compile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ultrasteve Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 No apology needed - no rush on my part - you're doing a huge favour for the community Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoSch Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I installed two belts two weeks ago, one in a 1010, and one in an XC12. Both are in perfect working shape again. Thanks for the great product. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xdslx Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 I tried to install the belts which I bought a while ago , but I think the rubber disk which contacts the metal mile has a deterioration in shape.And also I could not plug the parts appropriately which I disassembled . Is there any one who can fix my 410 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Here you go: http://atariage.com/forums/topic/266536-atari-410-program-recorder-guide/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 The original eBay links don't seem to point to the items anymore - does anyone have 410 kits for sale these days? Just yesterday I picked up my fourth example along with an 800 I bought locally. Of course the motor seems to work fine but no motion of the spindles. I figure with four of these things now, I really ought to try to get one working again for old time's sake, seeing as I used one exclusively from about 1982 through late 1984. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 Here: http://www.ebay.ca/itm/ATARI-410-Tape-Cassette-Drive-Belt-Kit-2-belts-/331692697200?hash=item4d3a6ce670:g:EKQAAOSw~bFWL2IQ They are being sold by recycling_electronics, or you can contact user Magic Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Hi Got some more belts in: http://my.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyEbayBeta&CurrentPage=MyeBayNextAllSelling&ssPageName=STRK%3AME%3ALNLK%3AMESX Apologies if my selling pattern is inconsistant. I get stock every so often and then interest goes after several weeks. When i get enough interest again i put some up for sale. If i could keep this on ebay year round i would, but their listings costs kill this from happening. Let me know if you have any questions or wish to get these direct from me. Richard 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodLightning Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Hi Got some more belts in:... ...Let me know if you have any questions or wish to get these direct from me. Richard PM sent. I'm happy to see this being offered again. My Japan made 1010 is little more than a doorstop due to belt failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 PM sent. I'm happy to see this being offered again. My Japan made 1010 is little more than a doorstop due to belt failure. Hi Rod, PM sent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodLightning Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Bump. Belt set arrived yesterday. Thanks! Japan model 1010 seems tedious to work on. Let the fun begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atari65xenajm Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Hey There, If anyones interested, - Ive got a Stock of belts/kits available for - 1010 models (both Japan and Hong Kong), XC12, and also 410 kits on Ebay, IMG_0201-small.jpgIMG_0204-small.jpgIMG_0202-small.jpgIMG_0203-small.jpg Listings here (UK) - http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/sandimas666/m.html?item=122297041305&hash=item1c7978c199%3Ag%3A6okAAOSwopRYa7n2&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Outside UK - http://www.ebay.com/sch/sandimas666/m.html?item=122297041305&hash=item1c7978c199%3Ag%3A6okAAOSwopRYa7n2&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 Anyone who is interested, but doenst use/like ebay/evilbay , can get these direct from me alternatively. just pm me for details. Those who have asked recently for these to be avialable, i have contacted (as promised) to notify as when these are (now) available, cheers Magic Knight Ordered a spare for my XC12. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Knight Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Ordered a spare for my XC12. Thanks! Sent this out today, should be with you in a week or so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanny Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) I'd like to get one for 1010 HK Edited November 6, 2017 by sanny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KLund1 Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Outside UK - http://www.ebay.com/sch/sandimas666/m.html?item=122297041305&hash=item1c7978c199%3Ag%3A6okAAOSwopRYa7n2&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562 This link dose not show anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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