Casey Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I have a non-QI, non V2.2, beige console + speech + nanoPEB v1. If I don't have the SDHC card in, I get the same behavior. A flashing light, and no option on the menu other than TI BASIC. If I put the SDHC card in, then the light flashes once when the TI is turned on and then the FINALGROM 99 shows up on the menu. The SD card I'm using in my FG99 is 16 GB in size from Verbatim and cost about $10 (it was the cheapest/smallest one they sold at the store.) http://www.microcenter.com/product/446190/16GB_Premium_SDHC_Class_10_Flash_Memory_Card Just offering it up as a known SDHC card that works in the FG99, should you choose to try a different card. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 I use the cheapest 4g cards from frys off name brand they work great Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+helocast Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Thank you Sinphaltimus, Casey, Arcadeshopper - I guess media is what it is narrowed down to ... Rather than get one brand for this card, one for that card (and having to remember which goes with which), could I save up a little more and spend on the Toshiba FlashAir mentioned above? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UOYPZNE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Anybody have good experience with that brand and does it work with both FR99 and FG99? Doug 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinphaltimus Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I have 2 and they both work well in finalGrom99 carts. Needed one for each console. "NEEDED!" I said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphb Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Yes, the FinalGROM 99 currently doesn't work on QI consoles, but it should work on non-QI v2.2 consoles. Casey's behavior is the correct one. I do have a QI console right here, and it's showing no menu at all. I just haven't got around to figuring out what may cause this. But in about one week I have a free day, which is slated for the FinalGROM 99. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted February 11, 2018 Share Posted February 11, 2018 I had issues using the FG99 with the "QI" board. I believe it is a couple of pages back. IIRC, Ralph plans to work on the issue. EDIT: Yup, his answer is on the page after your post about your "QI" woes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Rather than get one brand for this card, one for that card (and having to remember which goes with which), could I save up a little more and spend on the Toshiba FlashAir mentioned above? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00UOYPZNE/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Anybody have good experience with that brand and does it work with both FR99 and FG99? Some guys were able to get it to work, I think mine was defective and I'm no longer in possession it. Some of the guys have also complained about of having to hit the reset button on it too. To me it was a time consuming hassle. Just my biased opinion here, but you might be better off buying an el-cheapo no-name class 4 SD card and using the sneakernet method for transfer. Great idea, but... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphb Posted February 20, 2018 Author Share Posted February 20, 2018 Finally I was able to look at the QI problem. The symptom is that the FINALGROM menu item is missing, although the menu is loaded from the SD card. I used my logic analyzer to see what is going on. I could see right away that the signals seem alright, meaning the GROM emulation is working fine on the QI. Next, I captured all data bytes on the bus whenever GR goes high, i.e., when the GROM data is valid. It would be even better if I could capture GROM addresses, but they generally don't appear on the bus. To get meaning out of my capture, I disassembled the TI 99/QI GROM 0 from MESS, hoping that this would match the GROM 0 of my QI machine. After some searching, I could match the menu generation segment . 01C4 31 MOVE >001E, G@>6000, V@>0400 01C5 00 01C6 1E 01C7 A4 01C8 00 01C9 60 01CA 00 01CB BE ST >04, @>83FB 01CC 80 01CD FB 01CE 04 01CF 31 MOVE >001E, G@>6000, V@>0420 01D0 00 01D1 1E 01D2 A4 01D3 20 01D4 60 01D5 00 01D6 86 CLR @>8358 01D7 58 01D8 86 CLR @>8359 01D9 59 01DA 05 B >01DF 01DB 01 01DC DF 01DD 90 INC @>8359 01DE 59 01DF CE CGT >1D, @>8359 01E0 59 01E1 1D 01E2 61 BS >01F0 01E3 F0 01E4 D4 CEQ V@>0420(@>58), V@>0400(@>58) 01E5 E4 01E6 00 01E7 58 01E8 E4 01E9 20 01EA 58 01EB 41 BR >01F2 01EC F2 01ED 05 B >01DD 01EE 01 01EF DD 01F0 42 BR >0200 01F1 00 01F2 94 INCT @DATSTK 01F3 72 01F4 87 DCLR *DATSTK 01F5 90 01F6 72 01F7 94 INCT @DATSTK 01F8 72 01F9 BF DST >1282, *DATSTK 01FA 90 01FB 72 01FC 12 01FD 82 01FE 90 INC @>836C 01FF 6C 0200 94 INCT @DATSTK 0201 72 . to this capture (look at the byte at the end of each line): . 1.9735,0x0031 MOVE >1E, G@>6000, V@>400 1.9736,0x0000 1.9736,0x001E 1.9736,0x00A4 1.9737,0x0000 1.9738,0x0060 1.9738,0x0000 1.9739,0x0001 ? 1.9739,0x00CC 1.9740,0x0060 #6000 1.9740,0x0000 1.9740,0x00AA AA 1.9741,0x0060 #6001 1.9741,0x0001 1.9741,0x0001 01 1.9742,0x0060 #6002 1.9742,0x0002 1.9742,0x0000 00 1.9743,0x0060 #6003 1.9743,0x0003 1.9743,0x0000 00 1.9744,0x0060 #6004 1.9744,0x0004 1.9744,0x0000 00 1.9745,0x0060 #6005 1.9745,0x0005 1.9745,0x0000 00 1.9746,0x0060 #6006 1.9746,0x0006 1.9746,0x0060 60 1.9747,0x0060 #6007 1.9747,0x0007 1.9747,0x0010 10 1.9748,0x0060 #6008 1.9748,0x0008 1.9749,0x0000 00 1.9749,0x0060 #6009 1.9749,0x0009 1.9750,0x0000 00 1.9750,0x0060 #600a 1.9751,0x000A 1.9751,0x0000 00 1.9751,0x0060 #600b 1.9752,0x000B 1.9752,0x0000 00 1.9752,0x0060 #600c 1.9753,0x000C 1.9753,0x0000 00 1.9754,0x0060 #600d 1.9754,0x000D 1.9754,0x0000 00 1.9755,0x0060 #600e 1.9755,0x000E 1.9755,0x0000 00 1.9756,0x0060 #600f 1.9756,0x000F 1.9756,0x0000 00 1.9757,0x0060 #6010 1.9757,0x0010 1.9757,0x0000 00 1.9758,0x0060 #6011 1.9758,0x0011 1.9758,0x0000 00 1.9759,0x0060 #6012 1.9759,0x0012 1.9759,0x0060 60 1.9760,0x0060 #6013 1.9760,0x0013 1.9760,0x0021 21 1.9761,0x0060 #6014 1.9761,0x0014 1.9761,0x000C 0c 1.9762,0x0060 #6015 1.9762,0x0015 1.9762,0x0046 46 1.9763,0x0060 #6016 1.9763,0x0016 1.9763,0x0049 49 1.9764,0x0060 #6017 1.9764,0x0017 1.9764,0x004E 4e 1.9765,0x0060 #6018 1.9765,0x0018 1.9766,0x0041 41 1.9766,0x0060 #6019 1.9766,0x0019 1.9767,0x004C 4c 1.9767,0x0060 #601a 1.9768,0x001A 1.9768,0x0047 47 1.9768,0x0060 #601b 1.9769,0x001B 1.9769,0x0052 52 1.9769,0x0060 #601c 1.9770,0x001C 1.9770,0x004F 4f 1.9770,0x0060 #601d 1.9771,0x001D 1.9771,0x004D 4d 1.9772,0x0001 1.9772,0x00CB 1.9772,0x00BE ST >04, @>83FB ; r13 lo byte ... . The latter bytes show that the cart is recognized by the system. But when the loop terminates at G>1F0, we get this in the capture . 2.0229,0x00F0 >1E2: BS >1F0 2.0229,0x0001 2.0229,0x0001 (target addr) 2.0229,0x00F0 2.0230,0x0042 >1F0: BR >200 2.0230,0x0000 2.0230,0x0001 2.0231,0x0002 (target addr) 2.0231,0x0000 2.0231,0x00D6 >200?: ?????? expected: 94 72 87 90 ... 2.0232,0x008F 2.0232,0x00DD 2.0232,0x0000 . This byte sequence >d6 >8f >dd is nowhere to be found in the QI GROM. So, how reasonable is it that my MAME QI GROM 0 matches the GROM 0 in my QI machine? Are there any other interpretations on what is happening? Up to this point, the FinalGROM is running flawlessly, so I'm still in the dark why the menu is missing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphb Posted March 22, 2018 Author Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) I've just released bug fix version 1.3 on the homepage, which fixes a bug where programs of images that also have subprograms are not displayed in the FinalGROM 99 menu. One such program is TE II. Again, please refer to the homepage on how to apply updates to your FinalGROM! EDIT: typo Edited March 23, 2018 by ralphb 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Thanks, Ralph! Any luck on the "QI" console problem? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphb Posted March 23, 2018 Author Share Posted March 23, 2018 Thanks, Ralph! Any luck on the "QI" console problem? I must admit that I haven't completed my analysis yet. Me saying "byte sequence nowhere to be found" is total bullshit; it just so happens that my QI console is still the original version. I'll get there eventually, but right now I spend all my time on my new project (still secret). 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gleike Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 (edited) Hello, I just purchase a FinalGrom99, and i have some problems: When i put a folder whith some programs inside the sd card i have no menu and the led blink like this : oooo______oooo_____oooo_____oooo but if i put programs in the root of the sd card, i have the menu with the list of all it's content. my finalGrom was in 1.2 version, so i update it to 1.3 and there is the same problem, and 1.1 version too. my sd card is sandisk sdhc 16Gb, i try an old sd card 256 Mo but always the same problem. what can i do ? Excuse my english, i use google translate Edited March 25, 2018 by gleike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ti99iuc Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 At the splash screen of the TI99 press the fr99 reset Button on the card it should stop to blink and you should have the right menu. Have you tried already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabrice montupet Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 Hi Hervé :-) Are your SD CARDs formatted using FAT32? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gleike Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 @ti99iuc Yes, i pressed the reset button several times, but nothing happened. @fabrice montupet Yes, my sd card is formated using FAT32. I will try with another SD card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 Use a smaller card preferably 2 or 4 gig Sent from my LG-H872 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinphaltimus Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 gleike - You can go even smaller if you like.... See this topic here - http://atariage.com/forums/topic/276097-how-much-crap-can-you-really-put-on-an-fg99-sd-card-anyway/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gleike Posted March 25, 2018 Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) i try sd card 8go class 6, sd card 4go class 4, sd card 256 mo, and no one work no menu when i use folders, only the led blink like this : oooo-----oooo-----oooo-----oooo, four times, nothing, four times, nothing, continuously. pressing the reset key has no effect. But when i put the progams into the root of the sd card it work perfectly. [Edit] SOLVED To display all the folders, I have to put a single program at the root of the sd card in addition to all the folders, so it works. Thanks for your help. Edited March 25, 2018 by gleike 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphb Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 no menu when i use folders, only the led blink like this : oooo-----oooo-----oooo-----oooo, four times, nothing, four times, nothing, continuously. But when i put the progams into the root of the sd card it work perfectly. This is slightly unusual. Four blips imply that you're (auto-)loading an empty image -- which can only happen if you have an image-like file in the root that is invalid or empty. Is there something besides the folders (before you added the image)? Before I send out carts, I always test them with test C, using the "standard" ZIP file from WHTech. That ZIP has only folders at the root, and no files, which means it was working for me and should work for you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DuaneAL Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 (edited) Hi! I just got a FinalGROM from arcadeshopper (Thanks for the great service!) with a pre-loaded SD card. I'm getting no other choices besides Basic. The first two tries , nothing. The third time I started the system, it showed the folders, but when I hit the key, the screen went to a cyan background with 3 black dashes on the right side. I checked the SD card after several more failed attempts and it is readable on my pc. I have a biege console with copyright 1981. I cleaned the contacts and I have no problems with other cartridges. Is this the same QI issue as above? Edited March 27, 2018 by DuaneAL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega-TI Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Do you have a 32K memory expansion? It's possible to get a cyan screen if you are trying to load a file which exceeds memory. Try the file included below and see if it works. bnp_fg99.bin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Is the light blinking on the Finalgrom99? Also have you removed the felt pad in your cart port? Sent from my LG-H872 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DuaneAL Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Do you have a 32K memory expansion? It's possible to get a cyan screen if you are trying to load a file which exceeds memory. Try the file included below and see if it works. I wish I could get to the point to try to load a file. I don't have the 32k, but i was able to read the txt file on the sd card so i can tell which ones need it in the future. Thanks for the tip! Is the light blinking on the Finalgrom99? Also have you removed the felt pad in your cart port? Sent from my LG-H872 using Tapatalk Yes the light blinks. Not constantly, only when I press the FG reset. When I press the TI reset, the unit resets as I guess it should, but no joy on seeing other options on the start menu. Felt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DuaneAL Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Do you have a 32K memory expansion? It's possible to get a cyan screen if you are trying to load a file which exceeds memory. Try the file included below and see if it works. Hey, is that PeteE's game submission? I am looking forward to trying it on my system real soon! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+arcadeshopper Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 http://www.mainbyte.com/ti99/minimem/cart_fix.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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