tcv Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 (edited) Hello, I have a 1702 that has a slight video defect. It's noticable; it bothers me; I don't know how to fix it. (It's been re-capped but the problem persists.) Beyond that, it takes up a lot of space. I'm hoping some folks can chime in here with flat-panel model suggestions, preferably with SVideo. I've seen a couple of suggestions (an RCA model at Walmart for $120) but they're only composite. A friend suggested a particular Samsung, but it's a security monitor and the current going price is $389. Sooo... no? I'm not married to any particular size screen, for whatever that's worth. Any suggestions appreciated!!!!! m Edited February 11, 2017 by tcv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertB Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I'm not at home right now, so I can't look up the model number, but I have a Magnavox LCD tv/monitor that has served me faithfully for many years. It has RF, composite, s-video, and VGA inputs (640 x 480 maximum), and stereo audio inputs (with stereo speakers... but the sound is not good). It is also NTSC and PAL-compatible. It looks its best with s-video from a C64 or a VIC-20 modded for s-video output. Truly, Robert Bernardo Fresno Commodore User Group http://www.dickestel.com/fcug.htm June 10-11 Pacific Commodore Expo NW - http://www.portcommodore.com/pacommex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motrucker Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I bought one of these, a ViewSonic NextVision N6, which lets me use almost any LCD or LED TV with the C-64 (and other stuff): http://www.hk.viewsonic.com/en/products/advancedtv/nextvision_n6.php The last one I saw on ebay sold about $40.00 for a NOS unit. Old technology, but they really work well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpiguy9907 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 The S-Video out of the C64 is "hot" and will produce pronounced banding on most LCDs. The S-Video standard was developed after the C64 so the image will be a lot clearer if you add some resistors. I forget if Lima or Chroma is the culprit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800fan Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Lima is a type of bean and is not on C64. IIRC you want to fix Luma for the voltage level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crtfreak Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) why not just pick up a cheap 14" CRT. I have a Toshiba 14AF44 it produces an image quality that almost rivals my 13" PVM's. I picked it up off craigslist for $5 I use it with my C64 and Atari 130xe Honestly you probably wont be happy with any lcd tv on these older systems. If you must go LCD then I highly recommend picking up a DVDO iscan but they are not cheap these days 50-100 I do have a RCA/Svideo to RF converter that produces a pretty decent image quality on sub 23" lcd tv's. 10x better then directly feed to an LCD Edited February 15, 2017 by crtfreak 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motrucker Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 This idea will sure not save you any money, but your C-64 will connect to most newer "smart" TVs. We have a 40" Phillips that does a great of figuring out the 64's video output. It's interesting to see some games in this rather huge size. Wiz Ball is a good example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertB Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I recently bought two Dell 2001FP monitors for $70. They have DVI, VGA, s-video, and composite inputs. Through the s-video input, the Commodore 64 screen looks pretty good. Truly, Robert Bernardo June 10-11 Pacific Commodore Expo NW - http://www.portcommodore.com/pacommex July 29-30 Commodore Vegas Expo v13 - http://www.portcommodore.com/commvex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) I don't see any reason to go with a monitor instead of a TV. TVs are cheap.I use a 22" VIZIO and it seems to work with all my machines.Mine is a smart TV, but I won't buy any more smart TVs. Apps are too limited, manufacturers spy on you, and you can build a Kodi box for only a few more bucks.19" Sceptre $66.28https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sceptre-19-Class-HD-LED-TV-720p-60Hz-E195BV-SR/5504214820" Scepter $78.66https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sceptre-E205BV-SMQC-20-720p-60Hz-Class-LED-HDTV/4686781524" Sceptre $89.99https://www.walmart.com/ip/Sceptre-E246BV-F-24-1080p-60Hz-Class-LED-HDTV/4686781424" VIZIO $98https://www.walmart.com/ip/VIZIO-D24hn-D1-24-720p-60Hz-LED-HDTV/48194197No SVidio though Edited March 1, 2017 by JamesD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motrucker Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 You didn't say where you're located, but Craigslist is always an option. I found a really good CRT for cheap in our area. It's not flat screen, but will work wonders for your 8 bit stuff! https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/sop/6016797694.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 I recently bought two Dell 2001FP monitors for $70. They have DVI, VGA, s-video, and composite inputs. Through the s-video input, the Commodore 64 screen looks pretty good. These, right here. I will attest to them. I have three of these I bought back around 2006 and they are perfect (although one has squeeled since day-one.) Have my TI, C128 and C64 running through them (composite, S-Video, and S-Video, respectively.) Brilliant and perfect. I am told a 300ohm resistor on the chroma fixes S-Video problems, but the banding does not bother me and seems to be more present in the 128's output than the 64's. At 1600x1200 resolution these still work very well for x86 or MorphOS MacMinis over DVI, my Amiga 4000's Picasso IV VGA (though at 1152x938 or somewhere around that, the highest res I can get without interlacing,) and the above, all inputs can be selected with a button on the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) I looked at a couple tvs on the Walmart site that have SVideo, and that list CVBS also, which is composite.This had the best reviews of the ones actually sold by Walmart.https://www.walmart.com/ip/TV1701-19-19-LED-AC-DC-TV-Full-HD-with-HDMI-and-USB/41171833If you can ditch SVideo, there's this 32" for $120https://www.walmart.com/ip/SCEPTRE-X322BV-M-32-LED-Class-720P-HDTV-with-ultra-slim-metal-brush-bezel-60Hz/25059351 Edited March 3, 2017 by JamesD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertB Posted March 3, 2017 Share Posted March 3, 2017 OLD CS1 wrote: > These, right here. I will attest to them. I have three of these I bought back around 2006 and they are perfect (although one has squeeled since day-one.) Have my TI, > C128 and C64 running through them (composite, S-Video, and S-Video, respectively.) Brilliant and perfect. I am told a 300ohm resistor on the chroma fixes S-Video > problems, but the banding does not bother me and seems to be more present in the 128's output than the 64's. And the monitors are NTSC and PAL-compatible. > At 1600x1200 resolution these still work very well for x86 or MorphOS MacMinis over DVI, my Amiga 4000's Picasso IV VGA (though at 1152x938 or somewhere > around that, the highest res I can get without interlacing,)... And with a RGB-to-VGA adapter, they can scan down to 15 KHz... perfect for ordinary Amiga resolutions. Truly, Robert Bernardo June 10-11 Pacific Commodore Expo NW - http://www.portcommodore.com/pacommex July 29-30 Commodore Vegas Expo v13 - http://www.portcommodore.com/commvex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osgeld Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) I bought one of these for like 45 bucks (from a local overstock store) specifically for retro computers and modded game consoles, its only 13 inches, its only 1024x768 widescreen (suposta be 1366x768 but heck If I can get it to work at that res from my pc), but it has RF Composite Svideo Component (and it supports 240p component, SNES modded for component out looks purdy) VGA (sadly not 15Khz RGB, or some legacy VGA modes like 320x240) HDMI ~and~ its about the only monitor that I have that can display 80 collumn text from an apple II without blurring so if you can find one cheap I recommend it, the bad thing is looking online they average around 100, which I bought my 22 inch tv in my bedroom for 109$ on a laborday sale, like 4 years ago (but it doesnt support 240p component nor does it do all that good with 80 col text with a composite input, so while its a good tv, its not great as a retro monitor) Edited March 4, 2017 by Osgeld Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted March 4, 2017 Share Posted March 4, 2017 > At 1600x1200 resolution these still work very well for x86 or MorphOS MacMinis over DVI, my Amiga 4000's Picasso IV VGA (though at 1152x938 or somewhere> around that, the highest res I can get without interlacing,)... And with a RGB-to-VGA adapter, they can scan down to 15 KHz... perfect for ordinary Amiga resolutions. I have long suspected that monitors with composite inputs could handle 15kHz modes but never got around to testing. I also lack the 23-15 pin adapter as a catalyst for doing so in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertB Posted March 6, 2017 Share Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) OLD CS1 wrote: > I also lack the 23-15 pin adapter as a catalyst for doing so in the first place. I have gotten my adapters from here -- http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?78792-Amiga-VIDEO-VGA-Adapters-amp-Cables-DELUXE-(real-23pin-conns) Truly, Robert Bernardo June 10-11 Pacific Commodore Expo NW - http://www.portcommodore.com/pacommex July 29-30 Commodore Vegas Expo v13 - http://www.portcommodore.com/commvex Edited March 6, 2017 by RobertB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motrucker Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 OLD CS1 wrote: > I also lack the 23-15 pin adapter as a catalyst for doing so in the first place. I have gotten my adapters from here -- http://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?78792-Amiga-VIDEO-VGA-Adapters-amp-Cables-DELUXE-(real-23pin-conns) Truly, Robert Bernardo June 10-11 Pacific Commodore Expo NW - http://www.portcommodore.com/pacommex July 29-30 Commodore Vegas Expo v13 - http://www.portcommodore.com/commvex You can also get these adapters from Amigakit: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=42&products_id=183 But, since SD/FF are so easy to find these days, I go that route. It makes my A2000 look great to an AOC LED monitor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OLD CS1 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Thanks. Been buying a lot from AmigaKit (including some Indivisions.) Two things about AmigaKit's adapter: Stock Expected: T.B.A. Please Note: due to the lack of supply of 23-pin connectors, we are now forced to supply trimmed 25-way modified connectors which have been cut down to 23-way (2x holes removed). These modified connectors will fit the Amiga's video port without any problems. We have now reduced the price of this adapter. Not sure the second bit is such a problem, but that first bit would seem to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motrucker Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Thanks. Been buying a lot from AmigaKit (including some Indivisions.) Two things about AmigaKit's adapter: Not sure the second bit is such a problem, but that first bit would seem to be. Yet another reason to get a SD/FF . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrr19121970 Posted March 8, 2017 Share Posted March 8, 2017 I recently bought two Dell 2001FP monitors for $70. They have DVI, VGA, s-video, and composite inputs. Through the s-video input, the Commodore 64 screen looks pretty good. Truly, Robert Bernardo June 10-11 Pacific Commodore Expo NW - http://www.portcommodore.com/pacommex July 29-30 Commodore Vegas Expo v13 - http://www.portcommodore.com/commvex I also have a pal 2001pf. I can't get a picture on composite or s-video from a c64. After lots of research it seems the ntsc model is fine, but the pal version won't take the signal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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