Orionis5 Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) Jaguar from Europe can use RGB (csynch) cable on TV's(LCD's older then 2 year) that have Scart (RGB analog support) and Picture is excellent but newer TV's are mostly without scart. As for US best is framemesiter(you Will also need scart cable) but it costs like new Jaguar but you have a problem...framemeister does not support audio output, so you would need scart with breakout cable to output audio before framemeister input (in case you use computer monitor without internal sepakers). Perhaps you can use svhs in US if any of current TV still supports it. As for cheapest RGB to HDMI I can not tell you. Edited November 25, 2017 by Orionis5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Jaguar from Europe can use RGB (csynch) cable on TV's(LCD's older then 2 year) that have Scart (RGB analog support) and Picture is excellent Not always, in fact it's pretty variable depending on the TV model (it ranges from excellent to poor). And the way the official RGB SCART cable is wired makes it incompatible with some LCD TVs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 Mine is a US model. But I always wondered how much better SCART was, and now I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) Jaguar from Europe can use RGB (csynch) cable on TV's(LCD's older then 2 year) that have Scart (RGB analog support) and Picture is excellent but newer TV's are mostly without scart. As for US best is framemesiter(you Will also need scart cable) but it costs like new Jaguar but you have a problem...framemeister does not support audio output, so you would need scart with breakout cable to output audio before framemeister input (in case you use computer monitor without internal sepakers). Perhaps you can use svhs in US if any of current TV still supports it. As for cheapest RGB to HDMI I can not tell you. Get the OSSC it is about half the price of the Framemeister, works with the SCART cable and has excellent HDMI output. Edit: if you order one with a remote control, make sure you put in fresh batteries, a bunch if people reported having a remote that didn't work, but someone put in new batteries and it was fine, so I tried it and it worked! Edited November 25, 2017 by leech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagosaurus Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 (edited) framemeister does not support audio output, so you would need scart with breakout cable to output audio before framemeister input (in case you use computer monitor without internal sepakers). Can you clarify here pls. The Framemeister doesn't handle audio coming into the device over scart? Odd I hadn't ran into this on any reviews. Can you guys confirm this isn't just a settings issue? Seems I would've heard this come up by now. Maybe not. Assuming this is correct, you need video over SCART, audio over red/white RCA for inputs into Framemeister, then it is all HDMI out. Correct? ---- Add: Are you thinking of the XRGB can only output audio out of the device HDMI. As mentioned here: https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=54434 https://assemblergames.com/threads/strange-xrgb-mini-sound-issue-help.64981/ Looks like you'll only need that audio strip for certain TVs as mentioned in that second thread. Many will accept sound over HDMI. Check your settings if you get no sound over HDMI before determining your TV won't accept it. If you do use that option though you need to remember to change the audio setting within the Framemeister menu system to do audio over Video out, not HDMI. Edited November 25, 2017 by Jagosaurus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 The Framemeister handles audio just fine over SCART or JP21, both audio and video are output via the HDMI cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagosaurus Posted November 25, 2017 Share Posted November 25, 2017 The Framemeister handles audio just fine over SCART or JP21, both audio and video are output via the HDMI cable. Thanks. I spent quite a bit watching reviews about a year ago was wondering how I would've missed that! If you read that 2nd link, as a disclaimer it does seem a few newer 4K sets don't like audio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 I played a tiny bit of Space Ace on my 1080p 55" TV eaelier theough the OSSC, and it looked like playing an old VHS on a 55" TV, so I guess it was pretty accurate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karyyk Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 The Kitty Box might be an option if they're available. http://0711spiele.de/zubehoer/atari-jaguar-kitty-box-hdmi-adapter/ I have one, but actually haven't tried it out yet, so I can't really speak to how well it works (yet), but I'm pretty sure it's what K3V is using for his Jag streaming, so I know it looks quite good there. I might give it a spin tonight if I get some free time (that's a BIG if at this point in my life...). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted November 27, 2017 Share Posted November 27, 2017 The Kitty Box might be an option if they're available. http://0711spiele.de/zubehoer/atari-jaguar-kitty-box-hdmi-adapter/ I have one, but actually haven't tried it out yet, so I can't really speak to how well it works (yet), but I'm pretty sure it's what K3V is using for his Jag streaming, so I know it looks quite good there. I might give it a spin tonight if I get some free time (that's a BIG if at this point in my life...). Yep, good suggestion. I am surprised it hasn't been talked about more around this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagosaurus Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Any body have experience with it or the creator? Would be interested to know of it's a solid investment. Looks like it upscaled to 1080p vs the cheap PS2/Wii HDMI module that output in 480 (which many TVs don't accept over HDMI). Only new device I've seen other than the catbox copy on ebay occasionally. Unfortunately the VGA/9 pin on those is intended for older 15Hz monitors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 At this point in time it annoys me that anything that is made as a mod, or whatever is using 15khz. Eventually all our monitors that support that frequency will die. That is my biggest complaint with the VBXE, and is why my Falcon and TT030 get the most use of my Atari computers. Sadly the OSSC only supports component, VGA (15/30), Component and SCART. No S-Video or Composite. So my other 8bits won't work on it unless I order another SCART cable for them, ang I think it is the XEGS that doesn't have the monitor port... Anyhow, I had never heard of the Kittybox until now, looks cool, and if I hadn't already bought the OSSC and if I weren't currently throwing all my money into moving... I would order one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagosaurus Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 Didn't know the OSSC supported 15Hz. That's nice. It's 15 pin though IIRC. Can you just use a 9 pin to 15 pin adapter there? I do like how the XRGB allpws you to use your existing composite and S video. Nice for a console you may not have modded (NES, CDi, those that accept it naturally) and allows you to slowly get into RGB versus buying new cables for all your systems. That alone can be a few hundred for us in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orionis5 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 (edited) Frameister supports audio and "transforms it to digital HDMI output" but RandyFemrite mentioned his monitor does not have speakers. Problem here is that you need to intercept audio before frameister (analog mode) because framemaister does not have analog pass through output for external speakers. As for OSSC. Yes it is cheaper but you have to get...it is harder then framemeister. Edited November 29, 2017 by Orionis5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 I thought it would be too, but I got it quicker than I thought I would. There is a DIY kit, but I didn't have the time to build my own. You would need a DB9 to DB15 adapter. Guess it depends on what you are coming from. But yeah, I spent 40 on a SCART cable for my Jaguar and ST. Very high quality cables too. Still disappointed the same cable didn't work on the VBXE output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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