massiverobot Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I've worked up the first part of an instruction manual for the original ESP-01 with original firmware. That's part one. The second part will cover actual connection to the Atari through various means. Hopefully will have that done later tonight or tomorrow. One comment - if you buy this for $9 bucks you don't need an arduino. $8.39 https://www.amazon.c...duct/B010O1G1ES- HiLetgo New Version ESP8266 NodeMCU LUA CP2102 ESP-12E Internet WIFI Development Board Open source Serial Wireless Module Works Great with Arduino IDE/Micropython Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 One comment - if you buy this for $9 bucks you don't need an arduino. $8.39 https://www.amazon.c...duct/B010O1G1ES- HiLetgo New Version ESP8266 NodeMCU LUA CP2102 ESP-12E Internet WIFI Development Board Open source Serial Wireless Module Works Great with Arduino IDE/Micropython or on ebay in FLA eBay Auction -- Item Number: 113160240127 for $5.99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massiverobot Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) @massiverobot: can you try loading the latest test build of PLATOTerm, to see if it works? There is an r-verter handler on the disk. https://github.com/tschak909/platoterm64/releases/tag/TEST_20180911 If all goes well, you should be able to type ATDTIRATA.ONLINE:8005 and log on. -Thom I can connect ok but the charset is messed up soon as I connect. I can almost make out things. This is a XEL w/ RAM. Edited September 13, 2018 by massiverobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massiverobot Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 @massiverobot: can you try loading the latest test build of PLATOTerm, to see if it works? There is an r-verter handler on the disk. https://github.com/tschak909/platoterm64/releases/tag/TEST_20180911 If all goes well, you should be able to type ATDTIRATA.ONLINE:8005 and log on. -Thom Here is a video of what happens: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 What baud rate are you set to? by default it sets to 1200bps, but it looks like your firmware is spitting back much faster than that. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massiverobot Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 What baud rate are you set to? by default it sets to 1200bps, but it looks like your firmware is spitting back much faster than that. -Thom yes i set it to 9600. 1200 is too slow for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 And you haven't been following the discussion. Currently, because these devices have no flow control, PLATOTerm does not have time to process the internal data. You will need to set to 1200bps for now. Once these devices you guys are building have proper flow control, the data rate can be lifted. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) ugh. blaming it on something other than their own code. Edited September 13, 2018 by AtariGeezer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) I have a question regarding Plato latest version: I guess you need to load the handler thru DOS menú first, then after that (L)oad the Plato binary...right? I tried to load the Rverter handler and it loaded but it got stuck there, it never returned to the DOS menu. Then I turned off the computer and I tried loading Plato first, but I couldn't find a way to load the handler later from inside Plato program. Latest version, Plato alpha, worked perfectly, btw. Edited September 13, 2018 by manterola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Try renaming RHNDRVER.COM to AUTORUN.SYS and reboot. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 ugh. blaming it on something other than their own code. PLATOTerm does significant processing of incoming data. Flow control of some sort is required. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) ugh. blaming it on something other than their own code. I have been BUSTING MY ARSE delivering more than 12 simultaneous targets from the same codebase. It is being done good enough to be improved when it can be. If you can do better, then do so. If you can contribute a better I/O handler to the code, then please, do so. Othersise. -Thom Edited September 13, 2018 by tschak909 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I have been BUSTING MY ARSE delivering more than 12 simultaneous targets from the same codebase. It is being done good enough to be improved when it can be. If you can do better, then do so. If you can contribute a better I/O handler to the code, then please, do so. Othersise. -Thom Still waiting for you to disassemble RVerter yourself with your own labels without line numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 meh, that was just me griping. Again, I have been studying this problem for months, and you're not seeming to realize how marginal this setup you guys have developed, really is. There needs to be proper flow control on this interface. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 It is MUCH simpler to do simple text output on the resulting serial data, than it is to render a PLATO display. Take a look at this if you want to understand the processing involved: It might be above your head, though. https://github.com/tschak909/platoterm64/blob/master/src/protocol.c -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 It is MUCH simpler to do simple text output on the resulting serial data, than it is to render a PLATO display. Take a look at this if you want to understand the processing involved: It might be above your head, though. https://github.com/tschak909/platoterm64/blob/master/src/protocol.c -Thom Thomas, you are the biggest complainer on this board and your comments are not liked by many. If you think you are smart, then frick'n fix your code yourself dumba$$... And by your responses, some growing up couldn't hurt either 'nuff said... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 Going back to the point: * There needs to be flow control, in order for PLATOTerm to work. There is much more processing happening than a typical terminal program. * I am working with the CC65 maintainer for the Atari side, to try and add flow control support for devices that can properly support it, for now this means MIO and BlackBox, as they have an ACIA with flow control registers that are directly accessible to the processor bus. SIO devices by themselves can not have flow control, because all of the available control lines on the SIO port itself are being used to turn the R-Verter on and off. So this means, that you would need, for example, to use a joystick port (for its PIA lines) and attach those to GPIO pins that can be asserted and checked by the modem firmware. If you don't do this, anything using this interface will be prone to some form of error, as the amount of processing time for incoming data is barely enough to grab and display. The modem firmware being used here, has no provision for local XON/XOFF, so if that were to be an option, it would need to be added. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dropcheck Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 One comment - if you buy this for $9 bucks you don't need an arduino. $8.39 https://www.amazon.c...duct/B010O1G1ES- HiLetgo New Version ESP8266 NodeMCU LUA CP2102 ESP-12E Internet WIFI Development Board Open source Serial Wireless Module Works Great with Arduino IDE/Micropython or on ebay in FLA eBay Auction -- Item Number: 113160240127 for $5.99 Those are just another version of the ESP8266 series. You don't need the arduino for use of the ESP-01 board, just to do the initial setup. As I state in the pdf there are other USB programmers that allow you to change settings, but I don't presently have one of them to test with, so I used what I did have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr-atari Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) This is my current setup, costs just under 3$ on ebay (came from china). Driver is up and running. Xon/Xoff is send out when 112 bytes in the buffer and reset when empty again. Plato does not stop on Xoff, the server keeps pumping data, same results as pictures above. Still trying to get connection within plato. Somehow CONTROL-J (or equivalent) does not send out the needed LF ($0A) to control the ESP.... Nice little project though. :-) Edited September 13, 2018 by mr-atari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manterola Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) I guess Ctrl j have some special purpose in Plato, that's why Ctrl j doesn't reach the esp-01. Try to get rid of the original firmware, install something else that recognize "Return". Edited September 13, 2018 by manterola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 13, 2018 Share Posted September 13, 2018 I am adding support for the linefeed, in the next build. -Thom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dropcheck Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 As promised, a little late but..... Sorry. Getting the Atari 8bit BBSing on the Internet.pdf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 I bought 2 of these ESP8266 CP2102 NodeMcu Development Boards yesterday from a local seller in CA to try.. The NodeMcu flash program loads the ZiModem firmware at address 0x00000 which doesn't work on the ESP-01 boards the same way. I've updated the Arduino IDE to 1.6.13 and installed the Esp8266 Board Types to try another way of compiling / flashing the ZiModem firmware. We'll see how this goes after I get them early next week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 _The Doctor_ and I have been extensively tweaking and testing XON and XOFF support, and I've released a new public build of PLATOTerm: https://github.com/tschak909/platoterm64/releases/tag/ATARI_20180914 Let me know how this fares. -Thom 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 geezer your board has other pins exposed on the reset side of pin rows that might allow for hardware flow control possibly to exist or be added, can you float that idea around in some of it's hobby support experimentation sites and see if a hack and firmware exists already or could be created? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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