TPR Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 It's gratifying to see the realization within the community that an old logo and anything currently connected to it is essentially irrelevant for new products. Yes, exactly. Here are some examples of games from the 1980s that sold an ass-ton of copies but did not include any Coleco or ColecoVision logos. I say the homebrewers just follow this example and completely ignore "Coleco" all together. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Running out of popcorn over here. There is no such thing as not enough popcorn. And yes, the Internet is eternal. Once something is posted, there is no taking it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Omega-TI Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Here are some examples of games from the 1980s that sold an ass-ton of copies but did not include any Coleco or ColecoVision logos. Excellent examples and further proof that giving away rights, control or even money to others simply to use an old logo is foolish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardo1 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I'm assuming that with all this, and us retracting the complaints, this involves you removing all of the associated threads on Atari age as well as your fan page, and us also removing our statement on our page? And any other associated post that either of us have control over? Is that your understanding? Our most sacred point is your first point concerning the questionable material. Your stance is that you have no investment in these games and "as a journalist" you should enjoy freedom of press. In the sprit of compromise if we concede that point then you agree that should you become involved in any business relationship with a developer then u may not promote THAT developers games unless of course they are licensed. As you stated you are not involved with these developers so this should really not be much concern. Does this seem logical? 2-4 and even 5 I agree with. So those are not an issue. You agree to cause (ikranaka ) to restore our wiki to its former state and then don't mess with it. You agree that the legal description I have provide regarding action figures is sufficient to show that no "black major or red laser figures " to your knowledge are "bootlegs" or "illicit." We invite you, but not obligate you to assist in a style guide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuggerVideoGames Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I'm assuming that with all this, and us retracting the complaints, this involves you removing all of the associated threads on Atari age as well as your fan page, and us also removing our statement on our page? And any other associated post that either of us have control over? Is that your understanding? Our most sacred point is your first point concerning the questionable material. Your stance is that you have no investment in these games and "as a journalist" you should enjoy freedom of press. In the sprit of compromise if we concede that point then you agree that should you become involved in any business relationship with a developer then u may not promote THAT developers games unless of course they are licensed. As you stated you are not involved with these developers so this should really not be much concern. Does this seem logical? 2-4 and even 5 I agree with. So those are not an issue. You agree to cause (ikranaka ) to restore our wiki to its former state and then don't mess with it. You agree that the legal description I have provide regarding action figures is sufficient to show that no "black major or red laser figures " to your knowledge are "bootlegs" or "illicit." We invite you, but not obligate you to assist in a style guide. NO. NO. NO. A THOUSAND TIMES, NO. How come the ONLY way to reach any so-called "agreement" is to erase any trace of you ever being an ass and your own wrongdoings? You're the clueless one here. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPR Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 I'm assuming that with all this, and us retracting the complaints, this involves you removing all of the associated threads on Atari age as well as your fan page, and us also removing our statement on our page? And any other associated post that either of us have control over? Is that your understanding? I am not one for silencing or squashing what has been said. If you want something removed because you don't like the way the conversation has turned out, you should have thought about that before you posted whatever you're hoping will be deleted. I'm perfectly ok with what has been said in this thread and I feel it should stay. Removing threads and deleting posts was never on the table. That being said, if Albert feels differently about this, it is his forum. Our most sacred point is your first point concerning the questionable material. Your stance is that you have no investment in these games and "as a journalist" you should enjoy freedom of press. In the sprit of compromise if we concede that point then you agree that should you become involved in any business relationship with a developer then u may not promote THAT developers games unless of course they are licensed. As you stated you are not involved with these developers so this should really not be much concern. Does this seem logical? To define "involved with these developers" - I am not "involved" with any development of any games from a production standpoint or even a financial standpoint. My only "involvement" is that I am friends with them and I will offer my advice from time to time. But I do not have any "business relationships" with anyone in this community. I do not agree that Coleco should have any say in what the ColecoVision Fan page posts. Even if one day I decided that I wanted to be personally responsible for a game, homebrew publishers and ColecoVision Fan are separate entities and should be treated as such. You agree to cause (ikranaka ) to restore our wiki to its former state and then don't mess with it. I had no involvement with this at all. You agree that the legal description I have provide regarding action figures is sufficient to show that no "black major or red laser figures " to your knowledge are "bootlegs" or "illicit." This really has nothing to do with the action figures discussion and I honestly don't even care about any of this at all. So sure, whatever makes you happy in this regard. We invite you, but not obligate you to assist in a style guide. This is something else I feel is unnecessary but if Coleco feels obligated to create a style guide that homebrewers could choose to either use or ignore, then sure, go for it. Again, I do not speak for anyone other than just offering some rational suggestions so we can stop this stupidity and get back to making games and having fun again. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardo1 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Day 1 you voiced your opinion. Days 2-whenever you bullied anyone associated with me or the company. Um yeah. It would be nice if you retracted all of these attacks at everyone. I would hope so. Especially considering that they are unfounded. Especially since I have shown you that the information presented was incorrect and slanderous. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I'm assuming that with all this, and us retracting the complaints, this involves you removing all of the associated threads on Atari age as well as your fan page, and us also removing our statement on our page? And any other associated post that either of us have control over? Is that your understanding? Our most sacred point is your first point concerning the questionable material. Your stance is that you have no investment in these games and "as a journalist" you should enjoy freedom of press. In the sprit of compromise if we concede that point then you agree that should you become involved in any business relationship with a developer then u may not promote THAT developers games unless of course they are licensed. As you stated you are not involved with these developers so this should really not be much concern. Does this seem logical? You agree to cause (ikranaka ) to restore our wiki to its former state and then don't mess with it. Basically, the terms here are that he will not unrightfully censor the free press if we agree to censor everything that he disagrees with. I'm getting the way this guy thinks and it is not reasonable at all. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPR Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 Day 1 you voiced your opinion. Days 2-whenever you bullied anyone associated with me or the company. . 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPR Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 Dear homebrew publishers - Please make whatever games you want to. Don't use the Coleco logos. Pretend they don't exist, because really, the Coleco we know and love doesn't exist. Make lots of games. Make AWESOME games. And let's start having fun and just ignore the troll in the room and hope it goes away... What do you all say? 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuggerVideoGames Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Dear homebrew publishers - Please make whatever games you want to. Don't use the Coleco logos. Pretend they don't exist, because really, the Coleco we know and love doesn't exist. Make lots of games. Make AWESOME games. And let's start having fun and just ignore the troll in the room and hope it goes away... What do you all say? Now THAT is being reasonable. I can't speak for the Homebrewers, but I feel confident those are terms they can agree to! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) Dear homebrew publishers - Please make whatever games you want to. Don't use the Coleco logos. Pretend they don't exist, because really, the Coleco we know and love doesn't exist. Make lots of games. Make AWESOME games. And let's start having fun and just ignore the troll in the room and hope it goes away... What do you all say? It seems that since the only way he will agree to anything is to abridge our expression in some unreasonable way, I would agree with TPR and just say that if he unrightfully censors something in the community again, he can expect more of the same. Edited June 4, 2017 by Swami 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulBlazer Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Wait, what? Coleco wants to license games? They hardly have the rights to the logo (even that is questionable based on what I've seen). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swami Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) Wait, what? Coleco wants to license games? They hardly have the rights to the logo (even that is questionable based on what I've seen). From what I understand, this involves homebrewers making games. Then, in exchange for obtaining a coleco license, the homebrewer can use the coleco logo and then Coleco takes basically full control of the game, including the rights to produce it and change it and maybe pays a royalty to the homebrewer that Coleco thinks is fair. However, I think all are concerned with Coleco's perception of fair. Edited June 4, 2017 by Swami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClassyGamer Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 I'm just going to throw this out there. I collect a lot of figures, I've got my share of little plastic men to be sure, more so than I'm into video games. I'm actually very interested in finding out about the agreement with Hasbro. I've always understood a custom figure to be one that a person customized on their own, rather than recast parts from different molds assembled into a figure. For example, I know one guy who has a cool GI Joe type figure he calls Hobo Man, made from a toy wizard, a Star Wars figure cloth jacket that was damaged, and then a repaint job on the figure. Or another figure of a Gi Joe guy with a robot arm put on from another figure and some two part epoxy putty sculpting, plus a new paint job. Recasting parts for personal use is also something that I've normally seen as perfectly acceptable. Figures made from recast parts or from molds from official figures that don't have any customization other than just a color or part swap, have to the best of my knowledge always been bootlegs and recasts. Again, this could be fine for personal use, but not for resale. I've done some of my own IP leaching in the past, and ended up working with the company and releasing an official product. I understand how being a fan how awesome it is to contribute something to a hobby you love, so if those figures were done with the blessing of Hasbro, then I'm totally in the wrong about being against them and would happily offer an apology. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 (edited) You agree that the legal description I have provide regarding action figures is sufficient to show that no "black major or red laser figures " to your knowledge are "bootlegs" or "illicit." Didn't Chris tells us in his page 34 rant that they were bootleg since Hasbro refused to licence them to him and that they were basically repaint Hasbro clones presentation to them to acquire a license to package them. The request was denied "Bootleg 1. An unofficial remix that incorporates the complete, finalized original song. 2. Fake-ass imitations of something authentic." http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bootleg Edited June 4, 2017 by enoofu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 you removing all of the associated threads on Atari age. Nobody is removing anything. That is Albert's call. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jblenkle Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Oh, I get it now...you think you're Kathy Griffin...you've done something heinous, but you've decided you're the victim and are being bullied. Apparently you think if you throw the "B" word around enough, people will start believing you. Nope, didn't work for her, won't work for you. Just my 2 cents... Day 1 you voiced your opinion. Days 2-whenever you bullied anyone associated with me or the company. Um yeah. It would be nice if you retracted all of these attacks at everyone. I would hope so. Especially considering that they are unfounded.Especially since I have shown you that the information presented was incorrect and slanderous.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Do not help them make a style guide for free. Might turn around and try to license the style guide (for a fee). Don't build Coleco brand for them. Let them do that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Feel sorry for the Robotech fans since the big joke on their forums was that Harmony Gold would only give the toyline to the cheapest Chinese toy dealer, which is probably true for another year with Chris's line While the Macross fans in Asia could access cool toys such as this from Arcadia http://hlj.com/product/aca82131 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NicholasPrime Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Ban seems to be a good idea. Same for MK. Fraud is not right. I disagree. Allowing everyone a voice ensures that no persons can claim that they weren't given a fair opportunity to represent themselves and defend themselves. What they choose to do with that voice and how the choose to represent and defend themselves allows us to judge their character and determine what involvement (if any) we choose to have with them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Well, this has been fun. Hey COLECOtm, you don't get to control what people say about you. What makes you think deleting message board threads would stop that? Hey COLECOtm, what makes you think we are all thinking the same thing here, or that this is a coordinated attack? TPR has been patient and reasonable with you, and a moderating force in more ways than one. I don't have a stake in this other than enjoying the old game console, and I think your behavior has been an embarrassment to whatever it is you think you're building. I'm willing and able to say whatever I want in all kinds of media. It's your behavior that lit this fire, and you've done nothing but fan the flames. Bullying is not the same thing as criticism. Hey Cardillo, if your GI Joe toys are legit, why do you seem so determined to expunge any discussion of them? They're tangential to discussion of Coleco, but "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" One more thing -- the whole world can edit Wikipedia. It cares more about truth than what makes a brand or business look good. I saw that you posted "please contact me before making changes." That's not how it works. You don't own Wikipedia, AtariAge, homebrewers. I'm reminded of the Serenity Prayer, where you ask for the serenity to accept things you cannot change, the courage to change what you can, and THE WISDOM TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Lots of drama. Glad I was able to experience Colecovision back in the 1980's - as a child who lived and breathed videogames. Glad I was innocent to all this petty bickering. As original veteran enthusiasts of the platform my buddies and I know the original company is long gone. So whatever is going on today doesn't have a whole heckuva lotta meaning to us. Feels like a sideshow. Like I said.. Drama. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Almost forgot -- ColecoTM, if you want a "style guide," you'll have to write it yourself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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