HeadClot Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Looks like you still order through kickstarter Do you have any info on this to back it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Yeah, their image links you to their Indiegogo page. I take offense to the fraudulent use of "Pre-Order" when they are crowd funding it. Those site specifically state it is not a store and transactions are not orders. Even if it were on Kickstarter, they'd be held to a higher standard of posting a demonstration of a prototype, complete fiction though it could be. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddtmw Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Were supposed to preorder something that we have no idea what it even is? Is this thing run by Tom Sawyer? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It's Indiegogo, but Inky's otherwise right. Here's the link I got from clicking on the email header graphic (technically, it's a redirect from the actual URL in the email): https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ataribox-all-in-one-retro-video-game-console-entertainment/coming_soon?utm_source=Subscribers&utm_campaign=aa800c1885-AB_ANNOUNCEMENT_2017_12_08&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_7859bb25ac-aa800c1885-16971249 (So, the same landing page we already were aware of.) Do you have any info on this to back it up? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I suggest tweeting this to @tacobox now that @ataribox is toast. Does anyone know anything about how @ataribox got suspended? Was it just a troll squatting on the name, or what? I see they're using @atariboxproject, which isn't as neat, but at least it's not quite as pants-on-head as @colecovision_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Historian Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I take offense to the fraudulent use of "Pre-Order" when they are crowd funding it. I think the use of the phrase "crowd funded" is a misnomer in that it makes the assumption that the burden of funding is entirely on "the crowd". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Historian Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Does anyone know anything about how @ataribox got suspended? Was it just a troll squatting on the name, or what? I see they're using @atariboxproject, which isn't as neat, but at least it's not quite as pants-on-head as @colecovision_ If they were squatting then AtariBox might have gained control of the account. Twitter is a funny animal, the only time I was able to successfully gain control of an account for a brand was when the account was abandoned and had been tweeting at and retweeting porn stars. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtdave Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Were supposed to preorder something that we have no idea what it even is? Is this thing run by Tom Sawyer? It's a bummer that this has turned into another sham. Ataribox = Coleco Chameleon = Ouya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I think the use of the phrase "crowd funded" is a misnomer in that it makes the assumption that the burden of funding is entirely on "the crowd". The burden of funding development pre-sales should not be on the crowd at all in my view, but we must agree that Atari has not chosen to crowd fund this thing out of a sense of philanthropy. They want potential customers to fund the endeavor at their own risk, and as a reward, the best they can hope for is delivery of a working product of some sort with no guaranteed design features, capabilities, performance or quality standards. They presumably also get no retail protections against defective products or failure to deliver as promised. I content that it's only a matter of time before the legal hammer drops on these crowdfunding sites, and regulatory authorities or lawsuits force greater fraud and consumer protections. From IndieGogo Trust and Safety Page Transparency and communication FOR BACKERS Do the research Learn more about the project and the people behind it. Review the story (look for the “Risks and Challenges” section), team profiles, updates, and comments to get a good sense of what you’re backing and to feel confident in your decision. Find out what stage a product is in—from Concept to Shipping—to help assess risk for Tech & Innovation campaigns. Read our tips for how to evaluate a campaign. Ask questions Stay up-to-date with campaigns that you’ve backed by asking questions. You can contact the campaigner at any time through a direct message or comment on the campaign page. Comments are a great way to follow feedback and Q&As between the campaign owner and other backers throughout the campaign’s progress. Learn how to contact a campaigner. Report concerns If something looks wrong to you, tell us! We encourage our community to report suspicious activity and voice concerns via the Contact Us page or the “Let us know” link on every campaign. Our Trust & Safety team monitors feedback and takes action if needed to protect our community. FOR ENTREPRENEURS Paint the full picture Give backers peace of mind and confidence in backing your project by including detailed information about your team, qualifications, and track record. Be open about the risks and challenges. The more information you provide upfront, the more potential backers will understand that you’re trustworthy and committed to seeing your project through. Fill out your profile. Engage backers Keep everyone informed of your progress or setbacks through commenting, direct communication and frequent updates. Substantive updates are required at least once per month by our Terms of Use. Engaging backers will help establish trust, while a lack of communication may result in backers losing faith, leaving bad feedback, requesting a refund, or even making a credit card chargeback. Learn best practices for customer support. From Indiegogo terms of service Indiegogo is a Venue Indiegogo is an online crowdfunding venue for people and entities seeking to raise funds for their own Campaigns and to contribute to the Campaigns of others. Campaign Owners can offer gifts or rewards in the form of tangible items or intangible services (collectively, "Perks") to Contributors. Perks are not offered for sale. Indiegogo makes no representations about the quality, safety, morality or legality of any Campaign, Perk or Contribution or the truth or accuracy of User Content posted on the Services. Indiegogo does not represent that Campaign Owners will deliver Perks or that Contributions will be used as described in the Campaign. Users use the Services at their own risk. ... Contributors are solely responsible for asking questions and investigating Campaign Owners and Campaigns to the extent they feel is necessary before making a Contribution. All Contributions are made voluntarily and at the sole discretion and risk of the Contributor. Indiegogo does not guarantee that Contributions will be used as promised, that Campaign Owners will deliver Perks, or that the Campaign will achieve its goals. Indiegogo does not endorse, guarantee, make representations, or provide warranties for or about the quality, safety, morality or legality of any Campaign, Perk or Contribution, or the truth or accuracy of User Content posted on the Services. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I think the use of the phrase "crowd funded" is a misnomer in that it makes the assumption that the burden of funding is entirely on "the crowd". Also, I don't think buying the bottles for the snake oil counts as a burden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+KaeruYojimbo Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It's a bummer that this has turned into another sham. Ataribox = Coleco Chameleon = Ouya. At least the Ouya actually made it into production. Pre-ordering is the oldest form of crowd funding. Take money now, use it to develop the product, maybe send it to the people who paid for it. There are some recent cases in the pinball world of people paying thousands of dollars pre-ordering machines that never shipped (Magic Girl, Predator). Frankly, I need to get this whole thing out of my system. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Atari seems intent on wanting to perfect the NothingTaco. -Thom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It's a bummer that this has turned into another sham. Ataribox = Coleco Chameleon = Ouya. Except Ouya actually released a product. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazball Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Besides the fact that Ataribox is now asking us to "pre-order" a console when they themselves have no idea what it will be, what do we even know about the Indiegogo campaign itself? When Mike Kennedy went to Indiegogo with no prototype, he at least had the decency to make the campaign "all or nothing" - meaning, if he didn't meet his goal, he got nothing and backers got their money returned. Will Ataribox do the same, or will they keep all the money if/when they don't meet their goal? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Historian Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 When Mike Kennedy went to Indiegogo with no prototype, he at least had the decency to make the campaign "all or nothing" - meaning, if he didn't meet his goal, he got nothing and backers got their money returned. Will Ataribox do the same, or will they keep all the money if/when they don't meet their goal? My guess is that the the goal amount will be very low as compared to the actual cost and effort involved in getting the device made. if it doesn't meet goal I'd be surprised. In fact if it doesn’t ship, I'll formally apologize and never return to AtariAge ever again. Besides the fact that Ataribox is now asking us to "pre-order" a console when they themselves have no idea what it will be, what do we even know about the Indiegogo campaign itself? Why do you think they don't know what it will be? Just because they haven't released the info yet doesn't mean they don't know. I understand that the lack of information at this point is tough to swallow and it is easy to assume nothing is going on when you can't see anything going on. For those of you that might want to "crowd-fund" I'd ask that you stick it out a few more days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwlngmad Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) My guess is that the the goal amount will be very low as compared to the actual cost and effort involved in getting the device made. if it doesn't meet goal I'd be surprised. In fact if it doesn’t ship, I'll formally apologize and never return to AtariAge ever again. I understand that the lack of information at this point is tough to swallow and it is easy to assume nothing is going on when you can't see anything going on. For those of you that might want to "crowd-fund" I'd ask that you stick it out a few more days. I, personally, wouldn't state something like promising you won't return to AtariAge ever again if the Ataribox doesn't ship. Too many celebrities and/or politicians threaten actions like that, but few actually follow it up. Definitely I will be waiting to see exactly what (new) Atari is going to offer. However, it would have to be pretty mind-blowing for people to jump onto the campaign en masse, including myself. IMO, this community has been bitten hard by the flop that was the Ouya and the disaster that was the Retro VGS / Coleco Chameleon. I just don't see (new) Atari succeeding that well, and I am pretty sure Vega$ would agree with me on this if bets were taking place. Edited December 11, 2017 by Hwlngmad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 My guess is that the the goal amount will be very low as compared to the actual cost and effort involved in getting the device made. if it doesn't meet goal I'd be surprised. In fact if it doesn’t ship, I'll formally apologize and never return to AtariAge ever again. Why do you think they don't know what it will be? Just because they haven't released the info yet doesn't mean they don't know. Marketing these days seems to "drip drip" information rather than releasing it all at once. I suppose the idea is to keep it in the news and keep people interested. A lot of people don't seem to understand this, and assume a project is DOA if they don't get all the info they want at once. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 My guess is that the the goal amount will be very low as compared to the actual cost and effort involved in getting the device made. if it doesn't meet goal I'd be surprised. In fact if it doesn’t ship, I'll formally apologize and never return to AtariAge ever again. Why do you think they don't know what it will be? Just because they haven't released the info yet doesn't mean they don't know. I understand that the lack of information at this point is tough to swallow and it is easy to assume nothing is going on when you can't see anything going on. For those of you that might want to "crowd-fund" I'd ask that you stick it out a few more days. You can come back even if it doesn't ship. Really, you're nice, and you can hold a good, respectful, intelligent conversation. Not your fault if a project you volunteered to help with doesn't work out. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Historian Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I, personally, wouldn't state something like promising you won't return to AtariAge ever again if the Ataribox doesn't ship. Too many celebrities and/or politicians threaten actions like that, but few actually follow it up. I'm cool with leaving should it come to that, but I honestly don't think it will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommodoreCEO Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Folks, don't be fooled by the upcoming 'Ataribox'. Instead, you should invest your money more wisely in a technically competent and beautiful looking machine by Commodore!Let me introduce to you the Commodore Plus/4... This wizard of a machine is far better than the Ataribox... it actually exists for a start! It has 4 productivity software programs built-in to the ROM out of the box. And what has the Ataribox got? Nothing. It also is a fully backwards-compatible machine with Commodore 16 software, meaning that if you like your games colourful yet jerky and blocky then you will be spoiled for choice due to the slew of titles available from the outset. You can also benefit from the revolutionary MOS Technologies 6551 UART chip which will enable hi-speed internet access at 19,200 bit/s! Your internet service provider will struggle to keep up! In addition, this little minx sports better aesthetic qualities than the proposed Ataribox. You like the aerated ridges of Atari's new concept? Well, we have those in spades with the Commodore Plus/4! It also models some truly gorgeous angular lines that will be the envy of all your friends. Trust me when I say this: when your friends walk in to your living room in a few years time, and see this beauty sitting beneath your TV, it will be a real conversation piece. Who couldn't resist the chiclet-styled keyboard and forward-thinking cursor keys?So, don't wait until 14th December to crowdfund a concept wrapped in a render that will evaporate into the aether... order a Commodore Plus/4 from us today! We have limited stock left of thousands in a warehouse in the Phillipines and we can't guarantee availability leading up to Christmas! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 "These deals will be extremely limited. We'll tell you everything you need to know to get the best deal soon." I totally read that as "These details will be extremely limited. We'll tell you everything you need to know to get the best deal soon." Yeah, I got the email this morning. Figured there had to be an update, since the emails telling me there has been a new post flooded my email this morning Had to dig through the ones from AtariAge to find the one that was from Atari. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 we'll see what happens Thursday, hopefully most of the questions will be answered then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojay1997 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 My guess is that the the goal amount will be very low as compared to the actual cost and effort involved in getting the device made. if it doesn't meet goal I'd be surprised. In fact if it doesn’t ship, I'll formally apologize and never return to AtariAge ever again. Why do you think they don't know what it will be? Just because they haven't released the info yet doesn't mean they don't know. I understand that the lack of information at this point is tough to swallow and it is easy to assume nothing is going on when you can't see anything going on. For those of you that might want to "crowd-fund" I'd ask that you stick it out a few more days. Will you personally provide refunds if what is promised is not what is delivered? I mean I have no doubt that they will deliver something if they actually take people's money, but there is a vast difference between delivering the promised product and some useless piece of technology robed in a 2600-esque shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldSchoolRetroGamer Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 OH COME ON! Quiet for so long and now this ? Expensive Pre-Order on IndiGOGO? And NO other info or specs? Sorry this seems fishy as hell imho. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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