Matt_B Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 That's cute ... the same thing is already available on AliExpress, except as a direct sale, no waiting for the crowdfunding. Screen Shot 2018-06-27 at 7.47.11 AM.png Maybe Atari should just pick some existing tech, and rebrand it as their own? Oh wait, that's exactly what they're already doing. Yeah, it's the same hardware but at a massively lower spec. You thought you were getting a super powerful mini-PC, well here's a cheap Atom tablet instead; hope you don't notice the difference. I wonder if Atari are considering fobbing backers off with a late switch to the Cherry Trail Atom too? It's about the only CPU that they could fit in that case without needing a major redesign for cooling and it'd probably have the performance to run Vault too. I think the biggest problem of these projects would be the software. Without software it's worth nothing. Yeah, and Atari haven't exactly given us a load of quality software in the past four years, have they? If you're expecting anything more than the same Linux version of Vault that's been out for a while, a bunch of bundled free apps and some shonky launcher on top of it, you're most likely going to be disappointed. And that's assuming that they can sort out the hardware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The product on Ali Express promises a 1.84 GHz Intel Atom X5-Z8350 Quad-Core, 4 GB RAM, 64 GB ROM (SSD?) running Android 5.1 or Windows 10, yadda yadda. Passmark CPU score of 1281 at 1.44 GHz.The product on Indiegogo promises a 2.56 GHz Intel Atom X7-Z8750 Quad-Core, 8 GB RAM, 128 GB SSD running Android 5.1 or Windows 10, foldable keyboard, yadda yadda. Passmark CPU score of 1948 at 1.60 GHz. I'll agree there is a significant difference between the specs, but I'm not qualified enough when it comes to modern PC hardware to say if it is massive or not. Also I didn't check Ali Express if there are more powerful specs on sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Yeah, it's the same hardware but at a massively lower spec. You thought you were getting a super powerful mini-PC, well here's a cheap Atom tablet instead; hope you don't notice the difference. I wonder if Atari are considering fobbing backers off with a late switch to the Cherry Trail Atom too? It's about the only CPU that they could fit in that case without needing a major redesign for cooling and it'd probably have the performance to run Vault too. Yeah, and Atari haven't exactly given us a load of quality software in the past four years, have they? If you're expecting anything more than the same Linux version of Vault that's been out for a while, a bunch of bundled free apps and some shonky launcher on top of it, you're most likely going to be disappointed. And that's assuming that they can sort out the hardware. There's no shortage of mini PCs out there. Apart from the AMD "partnership," I don't see why they couldn't. There are also tons of existing frontends for the enterprising geek to make his or her own "AtariBox." Nothing missing but the brand. Obviously, there's a difference of opinion as to what that's worth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 In my experience: Intel Atom = Weak as shit. Plus a 5" screen on Windows 10 desktop. Oy, my eyes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodmot Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) There's no shortage of mini PCs out there. Apart from the AMD "partnership," I don't see why they couldn't. There are also tons of existing frontends for the enterprising geek to make his or her own "AtariBox." Nothing missing but the brand. Obviously, there's a difference of opinion as to what that's worth. You're most definitely going to facepalm when I tell you this-- I actually have my own "Sega console" gaming rig that I built with a white Dr. Zaber Sentry case. It has a desktop mode and a "gaming" mode much like the Atari VCS is sort of touting. xD https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/183-show-off-your-setup/?page=936&tab=comments#comment-11116165 Go ahead and say it-- "Why in the holy mother of fuck did this guy need an Atari VCS?" LOL Edited June 27, 2018 by Lodmot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 You're like Charlie Brown and the yellow shirt, you know what you like. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 I just wish all the haters would stop bashing the box design as never being able to keep the board cool. It's just that simple! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Thanks to the AtacoBollocksVeeSeeEss, I'm going to revisit my Raspberry Pi tonight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_B Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 The product on Ali Express promises a 1.84 GHz Intel Atom X5-Z8350 Quad-Core, 4 GB RAM, 64 GB ROM (SSD?) running Android 5.1 or Windows 10, yadda yadda. Passmark CPU score of 1281 at 1.44 GHz. The product on Indiegogo promises a 2.56 GHz Intel Atom X7-Z8750 Quad-Core, 8 GB RAM, 128 GB SSD running Android 5.1 or Windows 10, foldable keyboard, yadda yadda. Passmark CPU score of 1948 at 1.60 GHz. I'll agree there is a significant difference between the specs, but I'm not qualified enough when it comes to modern PC hardware to say if it is massive or not. Also I didn't check Ali Express if there are more powerful specs on sale. In case you are in any doubt, check out the update where everyone gets a free upgrade to an M3 CPU and 16GB RAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Hm, ok. I forget that a crowdfunding campaign may not update the basic info once it has been started, only through updates so anyone late to the crowdfunding needs to read through all the updates before knowing what is offered. Intel m3-7Y30 : 3557 on Passmark CPU AMD A10-9630P: 4492 (the one supposedly inside the Atari VCS unless they also upgrade) So yes, if Atari would cheap out and put a CPU which performs at below half of what they promised, that would disappoint many customers. Of course if they cheap out even more and don't put in a CPU at all, it will disappoint nearly all customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodmot Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 (edited) You're like Charlie Brown and the yellow shirt, you know what you like. LOL! yesh I do. Edited June 27, 2018 by Lodmot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBLIVION23 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 This was just announced in the comments on Indiegogo https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/06/27/1530353/0/en/Atari-VCS-Team-Officially-Welcomes-Rob-Wyatt-System-Architect-of-Original-Xbox-Console-and-Innovator-of-Notable-Game-Hardware-and-Graphics-Projects.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodmot Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 This was just announced in the comments on Indiegogo https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/06/27/1530353/0/en/Atari-VCS-Team-Officially-Welcomes-Rob-Wyatt-System-Architect-of-Original-Xbox-Console-and-Innovator-of-Notable-Game-Hardware-and-Graphics-Projects.html Oh wow! That's pretty cool Hopefully we get some more good news soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 This was just announced in the comments on Indiegogo https://globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/06/27/1530353/0/en/Atari-VCS-Team-Officially-Welcomes-Rob-Wyatt-System-Architect-of-Original-Xbox-Console-and-Innovator-of-Notable-Game-Hardware-and-Graphics-Projects.html "Atari VCS™ Team Officially Welcomes Rob Wyatt, System Architect of Original Xbox® Console and Innovator of Notable Game Hardware and Graphics Projects"If true that's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8Bitjunkie Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 ah, they have absolutely nothing and NOW they have called someone who can do something about that... 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 "Atari VCS™ Team Officially Welcomes Rob Wyatt, System Architect of Original Xbox® Console and Innovator of Notable Game Hardware and Graphics Projects" If true that's cool. Sounds impressive, but then I remember that John Carlsen was chosen for the RetroVGS project because "he was hired to design a PlayStation because he reverse-engineered a PlayStation" or something like that, and his most enduring "contribution" to that project turned out to be this ludicrous video. Don't bother me with the team's credentials; call me when and if they've actually produced something. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodmot Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Sounds impressive, but then I remember that John Carlsen was chosen for the RetroVGS project because "he was hired to design a PlayStation because he reverse-engineered a PlayStation" or something like that, and his most enduring "contribution" to that project turned out to be . Don't bother me with the team's credentials; call me when and if they've actually produced something. Agreed. I didn't ask for an announcement of a new team member-- I wanted to see a legitimate update of what they have for a console right now. Sticking to my plan from last night: If they don't produce any real updates by the end of the campaign on Friday, I'm changing my pledge to just the controllers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 If they're the cheapskates as described just a few pages earlier when cooling was mentioned, the question is which kind of budget Rob will get to work with. Without money, no technology I'm afraid. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW, HATERS? Well, not too bad actually, thanks for asking. None of the things that bothered me - such as the lack of aim, software, silly price, specs, general pointlessness - have changed. It's now slightly more probable that it will see the light of the day, but for me it's still a damp squib. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoJoe Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Seen on Facebook. I wonder if this individual is among us on AA? atarivcs-fb-20180629.png You don't have to blur out their name. Facebook posts are public. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 So are comments on Indiegogo, but most people to this point have blurred names in screenshots for the courtesy of they never wanted short-lived messages on social platforms to be recorded forever on a long-term forum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 Was that their big announcement? That they were able to attract another credential? He seems qualified, but I agree they should probably be farther along than they appear to be. Their continued emphasis on hardware is puzzling. When they say "joined the team," I wonder what that means in terms of effort hours. Will he be involved in engineering, or is this more of a boardroom position? Again, we will watch what they do, not what they say. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 So are comments on Indiegogo, but most people to this point have blurred names in screenshots for the courtesy of they never wanted short-lived messages on social platforms to be recorded forever on a long-term forum. If you don't want it to live forever, don't post it online. Internet 101. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoJoe Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 So they hired an X-Box guy to figure out how the hell to fit the xbox guts inside the VCS??? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted June 27, 2018 Share Posted June 27, 2018 They are simply trying to make this whole thing go on, a bit longer. This whole mess will stop when either:(a) somebody acquires Atari (b) they run out of other people's money and given that we live in an age of enabling crowdfunding sites? (b) is not fucking likely. -Thom 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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