Flojomojo Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Your point about the crowdfunding fiasco is, of course, extremely relevant. Assuming Atari recovers and they get it into the backer's hands, then I believe mass market / big box retail buyer would take orders. Given the AtGames sales history (as a baseline comparison) and Atari name recognition I think it would be low risk for retailers, again, assuming the backers get theirs. As a retail buyer, I'd definitely be doing my homework and with such a visible IGG campaign out there and Google, it's pretty easy homework! As Bill Logiduice has stated many times in the "Dedicated Systems" part of this forum, part of why AtGames mini-consoles are so inexpensive is because of retailer demands to keep things cheap. The mini-consoles from Nintendo and Sony were helpful in raising the pricing ceiling, but even with the PlayStation Classic marked at $99, they're still much more like toy pricing than "Atari VCS" which starts at $239. The Atari name got them 4 million 3 million dollars from those who failed to think, but I doubt that would happen at retail. I agree that it's pretty easy homework. Look at how PlayStation Classic, a system with a lot of genuine anticipation, tanked at retail. The internet has been absolutely savage in its criticism of AtGames toys. I can only imagine how rough the critics will be with "Atari VCS." Their best hope is to be ignored, a "cult classic" enjoyed by those who already sunk money into it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lodmot Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 As Bill Logiduice has stated many times in the "Dedicated Systems" part of this forum, part of why AtGames mini-consoles are so inexpensive is because of retailer demands to keep things cheap. The mini-consoles from Nintendo and Sony were helpful in raising the pricing ceiling, but even with the PlayStation Classic marked at $99, they're still much more like toy pricing than "Atari VCS" which starts at $239. The Atari name got them 4 million 3 million dollars from those who failed to think, but I doubt that would happen at retail. I agree that it's pretty easy homework. Look at how PlayStation Classic, a system with a lot of genuine anticipation, tanked at retail. The internet has been absolutely savage in its criticism of AtGames toys. I can only imagine how rough the critics will be with "Atari VCS." Their best hope is to be ignored, a "cult classic" enjoyed by those who already sunk money into it. If anything, the VCS will be a curious piece of Atari's history, and probably forgotten. Not sure how desirable it will be by collectors. The casing is probably going to be the most incentive one has to collect it. Now on the flipside, Sega is making their own mini console, and that is actually getting released! I'm freaking excited. X3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) The Ataribox is a footnote, like CommdoreUSA's C64x or the small airlines which adopted the Pan Am name. It'll be forgotten; if it's even released no one'll remember it. Eventually some one'll buy one used & have to come here to find out what it was. And we'll all laugh. https://www.itproportal.com/2011/04/06/iconic-commodore-64-all-set-comeback/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_Airways_(19982004) Edited March 31, 2019 by pacman000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderGrimm Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 So, are we certain that it WILL be made? Or is there still some speculation in the air on whether or not it will be "delayed" indefinitely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColecoJoe Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 The Ataribox is a footnote, like CommdoreUSA's C64x or the small airlines which adopted the Pan Am name. It'll be forgotten; if it's even released no one'll remember it. Eventually some one'll buy one used & have to come here to find out what it was. And we'll all laugh. https://www.itproportal.com/2011/04/06/iconic-commodore-64-all-set-comeback/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_American_Airways_(19982004) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 In order to sell at retail, Atari would need to commit to producing far more units than their pre-orders. I'm thinking a minimum of another 10,000. It'd need to be way more then 10,000. Walmart has over 4000 stores in the US Target around 1800 Best Buy around 1000 GameStop over 4000 Add in Amazon, and the websites for those 4 brick and mortar retail chains, and 10000 isnt even close to enough for those 5 stores alone. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCAT Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) Atari can open an Ebay store and sell 10,000 units direct and see if there is a big market, as for warranty... they better hold back a few. Now, what is this about a "Ribbed" ||||||||| design? I think studded ::::::: might be more pleasurable, or just do both to please the crowd | : | : | : | : | I'm talking about the console people get your minds out of the gutter. On the campaign page, under "why do I have to wait longer than usual?" Nothing about this has ever added up. The "ribbed" design was obviously a nonstarter from day 1. Why would they tool 16 pieces instead of 2, for zero practical benefit? It's also plain to see that there's no room for anything inside with that design. It only made sense for the presentations of the empty box prior to the arrival of their hardware savior, Rob "hands down pants"... Edited March 31, 2019 by OCAT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBJ1973 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I bet this thing never comes out.I like my modded 2600 hooked up to my crt with s video 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 It'd need to be way more then 10,000. Walmart has over 4000 stores in the US Target around 1800 Best Buy around 1000 GameStop over 4000 Add in Amazon, and the websites for those 4 brick and mortar retail chains, and 10000 isnt even close to enough for those 5 stores alone. Part of my thought process was that there was no way all four of those chains would be stupid enough to stock Atariboxen. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 When these goobers went to the first fabricator, they choked back laughter and told them how to actually build a plastic project box. Their first idiotic 3D render and associated sketches of their delusion of grandeur was never going to be built. The fabricator told them how much it costs per piece and per mold. They also told them how making multiple versions of anything like different colored lights adds cost. Like every update before it, this one just reconfirmed they have made zero progress. If the plastic box is ever made, it will be the equivalent of another plastic enclosure for a standard board like any of a hundred RPi boxes. The funny thing is, if the plastic case gets made, those collector editions will end up with a wood laminate sticker on the regular version for their special edition. The only thing they have going for them is the fact that the thing is a basic geometric shape that can have a mold cut from CNC router. I'm still surprised some handyman hasn't already produced it themselves just for S&Gs. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 The original case was produced by an industrial designer at Sonos, as a favor. -Thom 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldLeader Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 The only reason I'm sort of being quiet about this is that I want to make sure my plan works since they do have time to dispute this. The thing is it would be nice to find a way to get this information out there without trying to post it to the IGG page. Rainfactory will just delete it or IGG would get wise to what happened. ^THIS! I'm not trying to be a bearer of bad news. This might have gone swimmingly! I hope so. And time will tell. I'd also honestly like to think better of nutari and IGG; But I, Myself, have had a BAD experience lately with buying something online. (I hate to admit I was so stupid, but this may help others sooooo...) I think mine was mostly a bait and switch type tactic, where you appear to be buying into a trial offer, (It's FREE! Just pay shipping. If you like the product, buy more at regular prices!) with terms of service hidden or nonexistent,...But after they have your info, they charge a ton, and then sign you up for a subscription, claiming (falsely) that you've signed up for it. Suddenly they have a Terms of Service that you can read! Then they send you more stuff you don't want (In this case vitamin supplements)...Still charging you even more! At this point, you have to simply send back anything (unused) they've sent you, and send emails cancelling their bogus "subscriptions"...But they will never tell you that's how it works. I ended up sending back what I thought was mine for the price of shipping...But I had to document it all, Including pictures of the tracking numbers, the RAs, even the shipping labels etc., Then 2-3 Hours worth of phone calls to my credit card company, plus the "merchant", and emails to the merchant (keep them all as proof too)....And this despicable scam company tried to charge me for things I'd sent back...6 times! Thanks to being tenacious, I am finally victorious over these Assholes! But it took a long fight; One that used to be a simple phone call to the credit card company...Remember the old days when they were on your side? Even though they eventually did the right thing, after I "proved" my case with lots of visual evidence...I'm likely cancelling that card (let's just say it begins with a D)... My advice is to never buy anything online unless it's a trusted retailer like ebay or Amazon, where you have some recourse, or someone you've done business with in the past... As far as your specific case, I hope all goes well. But you are right to be cautious. Don't do your victory dance until you know for sure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlecRob Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) I think ataribox is a little bigger than a footnote. Maybe a bullet point Edited March 31, 2019 by AlecRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round ... The original case was produced by an industrial designer at Sonos, as a favor. -Thom Nice reminder! I see by a quick search of this thread that Curt Vendel also said as much. I'm glad you remembered. It reminded me I spotted something odd, ages ago, in the AtariVCS introduction video: Dana Krieger ("Industrial Design") and Brandon Lynne ("User Experience Design") currently work at SONOS, while Joe Moak's beard ("Mechanical Engineering") worked there until 2015. For fun, pay attention to Joe Moak speaking at 2:10 about the thought put into design and manufacturability of the AVCS. Then remember the latest Medium update basically negates everything he claimed. Transcribed for your reading pleasure: "We feel strongly that a product like this deserves a little more thought; a little more effort; a little more heart. By solving for design intent, manufacturability, thermals; designed for assembly. All at the same time." 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 I think ataribox is a little bigger than a footnote. Maybe a bullet point More like jock itch. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 The original plastic slug was almost certainly a photopolymer 3D print. They would have printed it in layers to keep the smooth clean edges, and that's why it was always an empty slug to show off and nothing more. If they actually show a new design model, I wonder if it will be plastic filament printed. I bet the so-called classic controller is layered the same way to have a finished looking print out. So it's similarly non-functional. No matter what they do next, getting to the point of actually being able to mold a custom plastic shell will be the make or break point. That's where countless dreamers have failed miserably. They really should be working with AtGames who are actually experienced at making cases. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inky Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 (edited) Now, what is this about a "Ribbed" ||||||||| design? I think studded ::::::: might be more pleasurable, or just do both to please the crowd | : | : | : | : | I'm talking about the console people get your minds out of the gutter. Edited March 31, 2019 by Inky 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 The Ataribox is a footnote, like CommdoreUSA's C64x One of the differences might be that Commodore USA kinda-sorta functioned as a company until the CEO unfortunately died and nobody else in the company seemed to know, care or be skilled in keeping the company running so it all collapsed. Within Ataribox LLC, it is hard to tell who is still alive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+frankodragon Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 Ataribollocks and its never-ending quest to dupe millions out of others with a rendered product with useless updates and giveaways. It's like they're playing with victims customers' windmills of their minds.' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atariboy2600 Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 HUMMMMM. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 https://www.variscite.com/product/system-on-module-som/cortex-a53-krait/dart-mx8m-nxp-imx-8m/ You could make a pretty decent little console, out of one of those. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digdugnate Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 you guys/gals ready for your eye-roll of the morning? get your peepers on this! https://www.scribd.com/document/403915272/Atari-Age-Magazine-Jan-Feb-2019 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 And I thought this thread was the height of repurposed graphics masturbation. That kid is a savant. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBeefy Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 you guys/gals ready for your eye-roll of the morning? get your peepers on this! https://www.scribd.com/document/403915272/Atari-Age-Magazine-Jan-Feb-2019 So it is a magazine about anything gaming minus the Ataribox. Except that ONE page. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 The gun among the "dossier" pictures is a classy touch. What a dipshit. Perfect for April Fool's Day. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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