New Atari Console that Ataribox?

[Lodmot]

There is no evidence they aren't doing anything. However, there are huge red flags that they are hiding things, and being deceptive. There are huge red flags that they will just say they ran out of money, my bad we can't do it anymore.

 

It is bad when grifters like Mike Kennedy try to scam people, but it is inexcusable when so called corporations like Atari actually take money, and actually run. Why didn't they return the Gameband money? They never even provided proof in how they spend the Gameband money. If they actually spent the gamband money, they should provide evidence of the development and prototypes.

 

I can fly with this. Red flags are definitely evident here. I'm just trying to keep a positive mind because I don't want to think that they're using us.

On the other hand though, the world is a pretty shitty place, so maybe my positivity is just a waste of time, I dunno. xD

The best thing I could do is probably just expect the worst outcome. That way, if it in fact happens I'll be like, "Ah yeah... I'm not surprised... >.>"

But then if something GOOD turns out from it, then I'll be pleasantly surprised and more excited about the result than if I decided to just expect a positive outcome.

[JBerel]

If it pleases the court, I'd like to enter the following into evidence....

 

"As many of you know and appreciate, Atari is lucky to have Rob Wyatt working with us as the System Architect for the Atari VCS. We won’t rehash Rob’s esteemed credentials here, but has had a hand in creating some amazing and beloved gaming and entertainment products. Rob has some very interesting and colorful back-stories for many of those products, and the Atari VCS is no different."

 

 

 

"The Atari OS is alive! Its booting on the reference board but its still very crude. Don’t even ask about graphics and audio support, its a long way off."

 

 

 

“We’re Atari. We’d like to do this. Would you like to have a meeting?” Most people will say, “Wow, you guys are still alive?"

 

[Flojomojo]

So what if someone claims Atari isn't doing anything, and they have no evidence to show either?

 

How's your medium-term memory?

 

Yeah, and now im really regretting it.... I keep flip flopping back and forth because im hearing people say "Its a scam, get your money back!" So i did, and now you have people like Smash GT coming out and saying "Weeeelllllll......."

 

I should never participate in any forums for advice because i keep getting all these mixed viewpoints and its confusing the fuck out of me. Everyones throwing around meatless arguments, "It's a scam!", "No! It's real!" And neither side backs their claims up with any proof. Now i feel like ive been gypped for pulling out of the Day 1 pledge. Thanks a lot internet... Lol

 

Remember saying that?

 

There's evidence that they currently don't have anything.

There ISN'T evidence that they're not doing anything.

Seems to me like we're mixing those two things up here.

 

 

OK, so you're saying "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." Would you care to make a little bet?

I think we covered this a while back.

 

[Lodmot]

If it pleases the court, I'd like to enter the following into evidence....

 

"As many of you know and appreciate, Atari is lucky to have Rob Wyatt working with us as the System Architect for the Atari VCS. We won’t rehash Rob’s esteemed credentials here, but has had a hand in creating some amazing and beloved gaming and entertainment products. Rob has some very interesting and colorful back-stories for many of those products, and the Atari VCS is no different."

 

 

 

"The Atari OS is alive! Its booting on the reference board but its still very crude. Don’t even ask about graphics and audio support, its a long way off."

 

 

 

“We’re Atari. We’d like to do this. Would you like to have a meeting?” Most people will say, “Wow, you guys are still alive?"

 

 

I had a feeling you'd refer to those screens as "evidence". Those are pretty much anecdotal evidence and don't prove anything outright.

I'd say it's likely that the initial footage of him playing Tempest 4000 there is fake.

 

But as the other person pointed out-- maybe they're working on the emulators and the OS concurrently, and the emulators are just far enough along to demonstrate but the Atari OS itself isn't. Because one can come up with that basis, we need other evidence to disprove it, otherwise that's a perfectly valid possibility.

[JBerel]

Let me put it to you this way, (not in the carnal assault way Atari is putting it to you);

 

We can't prove Atari is not doing anything to fulfill the promises they've made in exchange for $3M. Therefore, one must presume they are making good faith efforts at due diligence and have developed a well crafted product that will be ready for manufacturing this quarter based on everything they have shown and what fans say about them.

 

Likewise,

 

We can't prove that Santa Claus is not real. Therefore, one must assume he commits breaking and entering, sleeps with your wife and eats your cookies, but didn't leave you any presents because you're a jerk based on everything we have been shown and what his fans say about him.

 

 

[Lodmot]

Let me put it to you this way, (not in the carnal assault way Atari is putting it to you);

 

We can't prove Atari is not doing anything to fulfill the promises they've made in exchange for $3M. Therefore, one must presume they are making good faith efforts at due diligence and have developed a well crafted product that will be ready for manufacturing this quarter based on everything they have shown and what fans say about them.

 

Likewise,

 

We can't prove that Santa Claus is not real. Therefore, one must assume he commits breaking and entering, sleeps with your wife and eats your cookies, but didn't leave you any presents because you're a jerk based on everything we have been shown and what his fans say about him.

 

 

 

Lol. The Santa Claus thing isn't really a good example to compare this with, but yeah, otherwise I agree with you. We do have to presume that Atari is fulfilling their promises. It's really a waiting game right now until either their next update (which, given their track record, will probably be useless rambling), or when they ultimately release the system.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Lodmot

[ColecoJoe]

 

Lol. The Santa Claus thing isn't really a good example to compare this with, but yeah, otherwise I agree with you. We do have to presume that Atari is fulfilling their promises. It's really a waiting game right now until either their next update (which, given their track record, will probably be useless rambling), or when they ultimately release the system.

The Santa Clause thing has everything to do with this

[Lodmot]

The Santa Clause thing has everything to do with this

 

Lol, I can't tell if you're actually serious or just messing with me.

[dj_convoy]

 

I can fly with this. Red flags are definitely evident here. I'm just trying to keep a positive mind because I don't want to think that they're using us.

On the other hand though, the world is a pretty shitty place, so maybe my positivity is just a waste of time, I dunno. xD

The best thing I could do is probably just expect the worst outcome. That way, if it in fact happens I'll be like, "Ah yeah... I'm not surprised... >.>"

But then if something GOOD turns out from it, then I'll be pleasantly surprised and more excited about the result than if I decided to just expect a positive outcome.

Your ability to continually give them the benefit of a doubt is frankly astonishing at this point.

[ColecoJoe]

 

Lol, I can't tell if you're actually serious or just messing with me.

A little of both but i'm serious.

[Inky]

This is not our atari. Not even close. This is a group of profiteering scambots who would take their grandmother's grocery money, and blow it all at the "What number am I thinking of" table in Vegas.They took people's money, and the only thing this atari has made is promises. As was noted, the development of this platform - if it's actually happening - is going backwards. There is 100% absolutely , without a doubt, indubitably, NO REASON to trust fred and fergal's dog and pony show. ZERO.

It's up to you to decide which one of the "f"ers is the dog, and which is the pony.

[OCAT]

 

Your ability to continually give them the benefit of a doubt is frankly astonishing at this point.

 

 

it is like watching Classic SHAZAM (Captain Marvel) debate with Superman.

 

I want to hope that this is going to be made but when I walk under the bridge going to the store, I know to keep my face down because as much as I want to think the pigeons are saying nice things about me I know they are just waiting for me to pass under so they can poop on my head, best be safe than sorry @: (

 

You learn by experience, Mike Kennedy did it, people got lucky.

[+AtariNerd]

7 months to go before launch. 5 months in and they've gotten it to wake up and say "Hello World!" , so far and ask why it can't feel some of its limbs. Can't wait until game/app development starts. Plenty of time.

[Flojomojo]

If it pleases the court, I'd like to enter the following into evidence....

 

[Lodmot]

Your ability to continually give them the benefit of a doubt is frankly astonishing at this point.

 

Lol, thank you. > u <

[Inky]

 

Remember when Atari SA sued Minter...

 

 

Remember when Atari SA went after the Jaguar Game by Game Podcast? This is a litigious happy trademark squatter. They're patent / trademark trolls. nothing more!

 

#NotMyAtari

[JBerel]

I had a feeling you'd refer to those screens as "evidence". Those are pretty much anecdotal evidence and don't prove anything outright.

 

Oh lord....who cut science out of the school curriculum?

 

Anecdotal evidence is evidence relying heavily or entirely on personal testimony.

Empirical evidence is information that verifies the truth (which accurately corresponds to reality) or falsity (inaccuracy) of a claim.

 

Case in point....

 

A. Behold: A picture of a guy playing Tempest 4000 on an Ataribox. (Anecdotal evidence suggesting that the system exists)

 

B. The developer of Tempest 4000 never made the game for Ataribox nor has he authorized it to be made. (Empirical evidence refuting false claims)

 

 

 

"Consumers have a tendency to expose themselves to information that strengthens their pre-existing beliefs and justifies their consumption decisions. This is done to avoid or alleviate psychological discomfort caused by cognitive dissonance arising from negative evidence associated with an already made decision. As such, existing backers of a crowdfunding project are likely to seek out and believe positive information about a project and its creators, and may be more likely to repeat this information to others."

 

Henrik Arlander

Finding your crowd: the determinants of successful reward-based crowdfunding

 

See: Selective Exposure Theory

Edited November 29, 2018 by JBerel

[Flojomojo]

Oh lord....who cut science out of the school curriculum?

 

It's OK, it's unfalsifiable. No point beating him over the head with logic, let alone common sense.

 

From the link in your signature, this was posted recently. Perhaps that can serve as a warning to easily distracted pigeons.

 

• There is no “Gameband community” because there is no Gameband. There never was. No one is going to step up and buy this project and resurrect it because there is nothing to resurrect. The class action lawsuit is a pointless idea. I’ve said it a thousand times. We won’t get shit. However reporting this as fraud doesn’t cost anything. The money is gone, whatever. That’s not my problem. My problem is and always has been the lies. Their pitch video made it look like they were much further along. Hell, that shit for brains Feargal ends the video with “we just need your help to get Gameband to production” when it should have said “we need your help to do full R&D, engineering, software development, tooling, testing, and production.” Because then it would have been extremely obvious this was never going to happen. And that was before all the other red flags that went up as this bullshit project ran its course. The lies, the silences, the doubletalk. Hell, last year they said they were ready to “cut steel” and head into DVT then a month later they were “working on plans” then “we need to start over.” So they went from ready to start production to having nothing? Please. They never had anything. The money paid for his apartments and his meetings with Atari for the project he “worked full time on.” We were just the suckers who supported him while he tried to get rich there. Until they prove without a shadow of a doubt that all the money went to this stupid fucking watch, which they are required to do, then I will still call this whole thing a scam and a fraudulent campaign. And I will still hope that either Kickstarter or the FTC actually looks into it. Dramatics or not, I don’t care. It’s not about the money. It’s about this “company” getting away with fraud and having literally no repocussions. They’re just going to “keep moving forward and explore other ideas.”

 

In other news, the Tooth Fairy is pretty awesome.

 

[Lodmot]

 

It's OK, it's unfalsifiable. No point beating him over the head with logic, let alone common sense.

 

From the link in your signature, this was posted recently. Perhaps that can serve as a warning to easily distracted pigeons.

 

 

In other news, the Tooth Fairy is pretty awesome.

 

 

The Tempest 4000 screen has nothing to do with what Atari has now. But I guess you'd rather just call me incompetent instead of looking into what I'm saying.

 

That's why I set this topic to "ignore". If you're a user posting in this thread, you're required to hate on the VCS campaign blindly and religiously and point out absolutely all the flaws and no positives (again, not saying there AREN'T flaws in it), otherwise you get picked on in here.

 

Oh, and tacos. You must have an addiction to tacos.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Lodmot

[PlaysWithWolves]

These recent Tempest-related posts gave me an epiphany; AtariVCS is the Benjamin Button of the console world:

 

 

[The Curious Case of Benjamin Button] tells the story of Benjamin Button, a man who starts aging backwards with bizarre consequences.

 

Though Ataribox was clearly in a development phase, the newly-named AtariVCS started mature and able to play Tempest 4000 and mom-friendly Netflix. Then it was reduced to a prototype status and "illustration purposes" videos for the IGG campaign. Then during the summit we find they're using a development board that's far too big for their shell, but it plays Atari Vault games. With the latest update, we find its OS can only boot to a cube.

Now I really can't wait for the next update, where we the Underwear Gnomes explain their business plan.

[PlaysWithWolves]

Pretty sure we've addressed this with you before. If not you, then Biff or others claiming the same. There's no hate requirement, and frankly for as much as we've tried discussing it with you over the months it's rather insulting you would accuse us of this.

 

That's why I set this topic to "ignore". If you're a user posting in this thread, you're required to hate on the VCS campaign blindly and religiously and point out absolutely all the flaws and no positives (again, not saying there AREN'T flaws in it), otherwise you get picked on in here.

 

 

Anyway,

 

 

 

[PlaysWithWolves]

 

I can fly with this. Red flags are definitely evident here. I'm just trying to keep a positive mind because I don't want to think that they're using us.

On the other hand though, the world is a pretty shitty place, so maybe my positivity is just a waste of time, I dunno. xD

The best thing I could do is probably just expect the worst outcome. That way, if it in fact happens I'll be like, "Ah yeah... I'm not surprised... >.>"

But then if something GOOD turns out from it, then I'll be pleasantly surprised and more excited about the result than if I decided to just expect a positive outcome.

 

 

[Lodmot]

Pretty sure we've addressed this with you before. If not you, then Biff or others claiming the same. There's no hate requirement, and frankly for as much as we've tried discussing it with you over the months it's rather insulting you would accuse us of this.

 

 

Anyway,

 

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I like how you're saying I'm insulting. I'm actually trying my best to be reasonable and have a conversation here, but then people here are making fun of my responses, calling me "incompetent", "illogical", etc. I'm not calling anyone names here, just trying to have a civil conversation. Granted not everyone is doing it, but I feel like I'm getting butchered with sarcasm and snark just because I see an inkling of hope in this project. That's insulting to me.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Lodmot

[Hannacek]

 

We do have to presume that Atari is fulfilling their promises. It's really a waiting game right now until either their next update (which, given their track record, will probably be useless rambling), or when they ultimately release the system.

 

After Gameband how can you give them the benefit of the doubt? The benefit of the doubt is now on the side that it is a scam and they have no intentions of releasing a product.

[Lodmot]

 

After Gameband how can you give them the benefit of the doubt? The benefit of the doubt is now on the side that it is a scam and they have no intentions of releasing a product.

 

Gameband wasn't made by Atari. The original creators just licensed the name for it.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Lodmot