New Atari Console that Ataribox?

[Flojomojo]

The Tempest 4000 screen has nothing to do with what Atari has now. But I guess you'd rather just call me incompetent instead of looking into what I'm saying.

WTF dude. It has everything to do with the project. It's literally on the page they're using to sell this thing. What's there to look into?

 

[PlaysWithWolves]

 

I like how you're saying I'm insulting. I'm actually trying my best to be reasonable and have a conversation here, but then people here are making fun of my responses, calling me "incompetent", "illogical", etc. I'm not calling anyone names here, just trying to have a civil conversation. Granted not everyone is doing it, but I feel like I'm getting butchered with sarcasm and snark just because I see an inkling of hope in this project. That's insulting to me.

 

Several of us pointed out in an earnest way that some of your arguments were, in fact, illogical. You chose to continue with them anyway. There's nothing wrong with making illogical arguments--we've all done it--but sticking with them leaves one open to mocking. It also gives the sense that we're just wasting words with you.

[JBerel]

[Lodmot]

 

Several of us pointed out in an earnest way that some of your arguments were, in fact, illogical. You chose to continue with them anyway. There's nothing wrong with making illogical arguments--we've all done it--but sticking with them leaves one open to mocking. It also gives the sense that we're just wasting words with you.

 

Alright, which of my arguments were illogical exactly?

[Hannacek]

It is not the most powerful smartwatch. It was never on the market. It may not even have been a smartwatch, but a microSD card holder. But I will have to give them credit for the "the". You can't say it wasn't "the".

 

[Flojomojo]

Consider the asterisk. It's often used when making footnotes.

 

• The asterisk is used to call out a footnote, especially when there is only one on the page. Less commonly, multiple asterisks are used to denote different footnotes on a page (i.e., *, **, ***). Typically, an asterisk is positioned after a word or phrase and preceding its accompanying footnote. Other characters are also used for this purpose, including †, ‡, superscript numbers (as in Wikipedia), etc. In marketing and advertising, asterisks or other symbols are used to refer readers discreetly to terms or conditions for a certain statement, the "small print".

 

Alternatively, it can be used in lieu of "cuss words."

 

When toning down expletives, asterisks are often used to replace letters. For example, the word 'fuck' might become 'f**k', 'f*ck' or even '****'.^[8] Vowels tend to be censored with an asterisk more than consonants, but the intelligibility of censored profanities with multiple syllables such as b*ll*cks (bollocks) or uncommon ones is higher if put in context with surrounding text.^[9]

 

In the case of the planned 2019 "Atari VCS," it's typically the former, at least for now. There are at least 10 asterisks in the sales pitch for the "Atari VCS."

 

There's the one under the demo of Tempest 4000's house of lies

 

There's one by the software interface

 

The sexy, sexy joystick has one all for itself

 

But the modern controller shouldn't feel left out, it gets one too

 

What is in the box? One thing for sure: an asterisk!

 

Can't have system specs without an asterisk

 

The sexy, sexy joystick has another asterisk for its specs!

 

So of course the modern controller needs one as well

 

and last but certainly not least, the polite fiction known as the delivery timeline.

 

I wasn't kidding when I said the asterisk should be the project mascot. Especially when Fred talks bullshit, Feargal gets fired, and Rob's self-destructive behavior lands him in the hospital.

Look at this little beauty. It goes with the Atari name so well.

It reminds me of a classic book, written around the same time that Atari was originally founded.

Can you think of another simple graphic that so succinctly describes this thing?

[ColecoJoe]

 

 

Oh, and tacos. You must have an addiction to tacos.

Now you're talking my language!!!

[Hannacek]

Another huge red flag is when they focus all the time and attention on what the outside case and controller will look like, and spend no time on the circuit board. This is not evidence of a scam, but a big red flag.

Retro VGS had a dozen different colored shells, and limited editions, and special colors only available at certain pledge levels. The entire point of Retro VGS was to find a use for the Jaguar molds that Mike Kennedy bought. He spent all his focus on the outside of the case, and never spend 5 minutes on the most important part, the circuit board. And look at the Collectorvision Phoenix, they spent all the time on the board and making the system work, and just made a crappy 3D printed case. They will work on a better case after they get funding, but they spent all the time and money on making the console actually work.

 

It is not evidence of a scam, but its a big red flag if all the focus and attention is on the case, and not the board. You have to admit Atari spent a lot of time and effort on the case, and the name change to VCS, and we are waiting to see anything about the board.

[digdugnate]

 

The Tempest 4000 screen has nothing to do with what Atari has now. But I guess you'd rather just call me incompetent instead of looking into what I'm saying.

 

That's why I set this topic to "ignore". If you're a user posting in this thread, you're required to hate on the VCS campaign blindly and religiously and point out absolutely all the flaws and no positives (again, not saying there AREN'T flaws in it), otherwise you get picked on in here.

 

Oh, and tacos. You must have an addiction to tacos.

lol- i give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but man, come off the cross!

 

since you have read this thread at some length, you will undoubtedly notice that there are MANY reasonable viewpoints for and against this device.

 

Based on their own timeline they posted on IGG, what reason does anyone have to believe that anything will surface on the timeline that they propose?

 

Someone told me once in my professional IT life 'reality is irrelevant, perception is everything' (This is by Terry Goodkind, I think). Atari SA has at every turn of the Atari VCS' development cycle put up pictures and updates that skew the perception of how things are going, regardless of what is actually going on.

 

The skydiver dude showing pictures of him hurting himself is not helping this in any way, shape, or form. Their last update, regardless of what you guys have talked about on IGG doesn't *say* a darn thing. it's all technical whargarbl just to appease you poor schmoes that invested in this project. you put your money into their coffers, now you get to sit and wait for whatever garbage they push out and you'll like it!

[Flojomojo]

Yeah, and now im really regretting it.... I keep flip flopping back and forth because im hearing people say "Its a scam, get your money back!" So i did, and now you have people like Smash GT coming out and saying "Weeeelllllll......."

 

I should never participate in any forums for advice because i keep getting all these mixed viewpoints and its confusing the fuck out of me. Everyones throwing around meatless arguments, "It's a scam!", "No! It's real!" And neither side backs their claims up with any proof. Now i feel like ive been gypped for pulling out of the Day 1 pledge. Thanks a lot internet... Lol

 

 

Alright, then ill get the woodgrain model with the two controllers. Face it, im going to be trolled no matter what i do xD

 

 

7 MIINUTEZ LEFT!

 

 

Alright, which of my arguments were illogical exactly?

 

 

I still like you, though.

[Lodmot]

Now you're talking my language!!!

 

LOL XD

 

lol- i give everyone the benefit of the doubt, but man, come off the cross!

 

since you have read this thread at some length, you will undoubtedly notice that there are MANY reasonable viewpoints for and against this device.

 

Based on their own timeline they posted on IGG, what reason does anyone have to believe that anything will surface on the timeline that they propose?

 

Someone told me once in my professional IT life 'reality is irrelevant, perception is everything' (This is by Terry Goodkind, I think). Atari SA has at every turn of the Atari VCS' development cycle put up pictures and updates that skew the perception of how things are going, regardless of what is actually going on.

 

The skydiver dude showing pictures of him hurting himself is not helping this in any way, shape, or form. Their last update, regardless of what you guys have talked about on IGG doesn't *say* a darn thing. it's all technical whargarbl just to appease you poor schmoes that invested in this project. you put your money into their coffers, now you get to sit and wait for whatever garbage they push out and you'll like it!

 

Actually I agree with everything you said here. o:

 

I also highly doubt Atari will make the posted timeline, and that's totally fine. I also don't feel like they said anything interesting in the 8th update. They sort of went into how far along they are in making Atari OS, but it was all internal notes and stuff. Atari are extremely bad communicators. LOL.

 

I'm just trying to get a sense of exactly which arguments I made that were illogical, and what made them illogical, and without like all the sarcasm and GIF's, etc.

[Lodmot]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still like you, though.

 

I still like you too. :3

[Inky]

Cheese goes good on tacos.

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

 

 

 

 

 

[godslabrat]

LOL XD

 

 

 

Actually I agree with everything you said here. o:

 

I also highly doubt Atari will make the posted timeline, and that's totally fine. I also don't feel like they said anything interesting in the 8th update. They sort of went into how far along they are in making Atari OS, but it was all internal notes and stuff. Atari are extremely bad communicators. LOL.

 

I'm just trying to get a sense of exactly which arguments I made that were illogical, and what made them illogical, and without like all the sarcasm and GIF's, etc.

In an attempt to take you at your word and answer your question, it is not (IMO) logical to simply argue that Atari's primary failing is "bad communication". They don't have a product. It's that simple. You're arguing that they do have a product, but have chosen not to show it AFTER a giant marketing push promoting the aesthetics and AFTER taking 3 million dollars of customers money. In other words, AFTER they were financially obligated to make good on the VCS.

 

To argue that they have a product they aren't showing isn't just "poor communication", it's an argument that Atari is stupid. Stupid on a "I wrote six checks to Mister Lee" level. If they really were that stupid, they would be guilty of corporate malpractice. That level of bad management is legally actionable, if it existed.

 

But it doesn't. Atari is stupid, but they aren't that stupid. If they had a product, it would be on t-shirts from here to Poughkeepsie. It's ILLOGICAL to make the argument that Atari is only stupid, when being merely stupid does not adequately explain the scenario.

[Hannacek]

They don't have a product. It's that simple. You're arguing that they do have a product, but have chosen not to show it AFTER a giant marketing push promoting the aesthetics and AFTER taking 3 million dollars of customers money. In other words, AFTER they were financially obligated to make good on the VCS.

 

 

 

The reason Atari choose crowdfunding is because with crowdfunding they have no legal obligation to deliver any product. If Atari took preorders, then they would be obligated to deliver the product or refund the money.

[Lodmot]

In an attempt to take you at your word and answer your question, it is not (IMO) logical to simply argue that Atari's primary failing is "bad communication". They don't have a product. It's that simple. You're arguing that they do have a product, but have chosen not to show it AFTER a giant marketing push promoting the aesthetics and AFTER taking 3 million dollars of customers money. In other words, AFTER they were financially obligated to make good on the VCS.

 

To argue that they have a product they aren't showing isn't just "poor communication", it's an argument that Atari is stupid. Stupid on a "I wrote six checks to Mister Lee" level. If they really were that stupid, they would be guilty of corporate malpractice. That level of bad management is legally actionable, if it existed.

 

But it doesn't. Atari is stupid, but they aren't that stupid. If they had a product, it would be on t-shirts from here to Poughkeepsie. It's ILLOGICAL to make the argument that Atari is only stupid, when being merely stupid does not adequately explain the scenario.

 

Okay, so you're saying that if Atari has a product that they refuse to show, that's considered corporate malpractice?

[CPUWIZ]

[Matt_B]

I like the "Dates and schedules are subject to change due to unforeseen circumstances" line.

 

Does that mean anything not picked up by their clairvoyant?

[Hannacek]

 

Okay, so you're saying that if Atari has a product that they refuse to show, that's considered corporate malpractice?

 

You would have to be a shareholder or member of the board to sue Atari for corporate decisions they make. Crowdfunding backers have no legal recourse for anything.

[ColecoJoe]

 

You would have to be a shareholder or member of the board to sue Atari for corporate decisions they make. Crowdfunding backers have no legal recourse for anything.

Especially if you pledged. When you pledged you agreed to their terms of service where they say it's pretty much non-refundable ... was it 6 days or 30 days or was it once the campaign is over you're locked in?

 

One of the reasons I decided not to support the Pheonix was because I'm worried they won't be able to fulfill the orders and I don't feel like taking that risk ... still pledging on IGG after reading their terms is rather silly to me.

[thetick1]

 

Okay, so you're saying that if Atari has a product that they refuse to show, that's considered corporate malpractice?

 

Yes. I don't know why people accept giving money to corporations or an individual as acceptable without receiving a product or service. I have never done such nor will I ever under any circumstance. Personally I just consider anyone who does such is just not that bright.

 

A sucker is born every minute... and well I also believe the lottery is a stupid tax.. ie a tax on people who are just plain stupid or naive with basic math.

 

Sorry I realize I offended many people but those are my thoughts.

Edited November 29, 2018 by thetick1

[Lodmot]

 

You would have to be a shareholder or member of the board to sue Atari for corporate decisions they make. Crowdfunding backers have no legal recourse for anything.

 

Okay, I'm confused. .-.;;

[Lodmot]

 

Yes. I don't know why people accept giving money to corporations as acceptable without receiving a product or service. I have never done such nor will I ever under any circumstance. Personally I just consider anyone who does such is just not that bright.

 

A sucker is born every minute... and well I also believe the lottery is stupid tax.. ie a tax on people who are just plain stupid or naive with basic math.

 

Sorry I realize I offended many people here but those are my thoughts.

 

Well, I donated because I always get a product from crowdfunding campaigns. That's not the only reason of course, but it's one of them. Actually just last night, I got Tanglewood for the Genesis. Really nice package. Can't wait to get the time to play it > u <

But yeah, I never buy lottery tickets, that's definitely a waste of money there xD

Edited November 29, 2018 by Lodmot

[Hannacek]

Especially if you pledged. When you pledged you agreed to their terms of service where they say it's pretty much non-refundable ... was it 6 days or 30 days or was it once the campaign is over you're locked in?

 

One of the reasons I decided not to support the Pheonix was because I'm worried they won't be able to fulfill the orders and I don't feel like taking that risk ... still pledging on IGG after reading their terms is rather silly to me.

 

I have nothing but respect for CollectorVision. But, they don't have any connections in China. So they could spend a hundred thousand dollars easy on the injection molding, and the other hundred thousand on manufacturing the pcbs in China. If they get screwed by the factories they do business with in China, they have lost all the money, and there is nothing they can do to deliver the product they promised. Big corporations like Sony, Microsoft, Samsung, etc have lawyers and can get their money back and produce the product in a different Chinese factory. Smaller companies like AtGames have legal resources and connections in China. Tiny companies like Collectorvision have no connections in China, and no money to hire lawyers, if things go wrong.

 

The prototype of the Phoenix looked real, but who knows if there would be other problems translating a one off prototype into a production unit.

Edited November 29, 2018 by Hannacek