CPUWIZ Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 im still not convinced its a scam It isn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 While it's technically not yet a scam or fraud, it's definitely more than halfway there. The pigeons have given up their money and right to complain, "Atari" has yet to deliver anything they paid for, and there's no simple way for the money to be returned. https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=785 fraud n. the intentional use of deceit, a trick or some dishonest means to deprive another of his/her/its money, property or a legal right. A party who has lost something due to fraud is entitled to file a lawsuit for damages against the party acting fraudulently, and the damages may include punitive damages as a punishment or public example due to the malicious nature of the fraud. Quite often there are several persons involved in a scheme to commit fraud and each and all may be liable for the total damages. Inherent in fraud is an unjust advantage over another which injures that person or entity. It includes failing to point out a known mistake in a contract or other writing (such as a deed), or not revealing a fact which he/she has a duty to communicate, such as a survey which shows there are only 10 acres of land being purchased and not 20 as originally understood. Constructive fraud can be proved by a showing of breach of legal duty (like using the trust funds held for another in an investment in one's own business) without direct proof of fraud or fraudulent intent. Extrinsic fraud occurs when deceit is employed to keep someone from exercising a right, such as a fair trial, by hiding evidence or misleading the opposing party in a lawsuit. Since fraud is intended to employ dishonesty to deprive another of money, property or a right, it can also be a crime for which the fraudulent person(s) can be charged, tried and convicted. Borderline overreaching or taking advantage of another's naiveté involving smaller amounts is often overlooked by law enforcement, which suggests the victim seek a "civil remedy" (i.e., sue). However, increasingly fraud, which has victimized a large segment of the public (even in individually small amounts), has become the target of consumer fraud divisions in the offices of district attorneys and attorneys general. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 If you lie on your bank loan you are committing fraud. It doesn't matter if you pay them back early and with interest; you've still committed fraud. They lied about almost everything to get money from people. It is, by definition, a scam. It doesn't matter if they produce. Had they been upfront and not tried to deceive, then it wouldn't be fraud. Of course, this is just academic anyway. Few ever get in trouble even if they create nothing at all. Or is Feargal Mac hiding out in some foreign embassy these days? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+frankodragon Posted May 26, 2019 Share Posted May 26, 2019 im still not convinced its a scam If there's any proof, it's the middleman that's hosting Nutari: Scamdiegogo. Just read through the reviews. And this is also from others from other campaigns where people lost their cash and got nothing. https://www.consumeraffairs.com/business/indiegogo.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woulfe Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 GAH ! that is really hard to read, even enlarging that it's still blurry My eyes hurt now I should of gone with the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I should of gone with the link 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCAT Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Perhaps Atari should have made an Atari branded (re-branded) Gaming cell phone instead? How else are die hard fans going to show their unwavering allegiance to the Fuji logo? with a hat? T-shirt? silly... I mean look at all those cell phones that were popular in the day.. Nokia N-Gage, and the Xperia PLAY... Third time would have been a hit... slap in a pico projector and you got it! just need to put that in a Taco form factor and win! And speaking of Tacos... I see that Samsung has failed to meld cell phone and tacos together... wonder if anyone has invented the Taco Duo? a SOFT-HARD Taco? is that possible? or just put a soft taco in a hard taco shell. the soft taco will keep all the sauce in if the hard shell taco taco structure is compromised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 They had prototypes of tablets & cell phones a few years ago. Nothing special; just private-labeled Chinese goods. But it was better than this fiasco. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I'm sure the people who put money into this mess will eventually get something. Doesn't change the fact that the whole thing has been a shitshow wrapped in lies from top to bottom. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 wonder if anyone has invented the Taco Duo? a SOFT-HARD Taco? is that possible? or just put a soft taco in a hard taco shell. the soft taco will keep all the sauce in if the hard shell taco taco structure is compromised.Isn't that essentially what the Taco Bell double decker taco basically is? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 They had prototypes of tablets & cell phones a few years ago. Nothing special; just private-labeled Chinese goods. But it was better than this fiasco. Yep. And those were quickly and quietly memory holed, prior to the fascination with crowdfunding. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Speaking of Chinese goods reminds me of a video I saw from Musikmesse in Frankfurt held in the beginning of April. A guy who runs this saxophone YT channel walked around to various Chinese resellers asking what was the minimum volume to get his own brand onto saxophones, and which extent of personal adjustments he could order. Starting around 50 pieces, he could order his own brand, which like all other OEM goods would be pretty hard to track down what it really is or compare with the other 100 similar brands all over eBay and Amazon. It got me thinking, what if ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monzamess Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 A sax from the new Atari would probably play in tune as much as the TIA does... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 But it wouldn't be from Atari; it would be from China's dedicated sax factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monzamess Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 So it would likely come that way anyway, without extensive setup by a professional (BTDT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 But it wouldn't be from Atari; it would be from China's dedicated sax factory. ["Yakity Sax" from Benny Hill plays as Joe Moak chases Rob Wyatt and Michael Arzt around the plywood garage workshop at 2.5x speed] 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 BTW, did you know that nearly all noname saxophones from China are delivered with a pair of white cotton gloves? Nobody knows exactly why, and no other major brands ship their instruments with a free pair of one-fits-most cotton gloves. Perhaps the Atari VCS, if it ever is shipped, should come with a pair of gloves as well? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldLeader Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 BTW, did you know that nearly all noname saxophones from China are delivered with a pair of white cotton gloves? Nobody knows exactly why, and no other major brands ship their instruments with a free pair of one-fits-most cotton gloves. Perhaps the Atari VCS, if it ever is shipped, should come with a pair of gloves as well? Ummm...I'm pretty sure I know why. When you sell a New sax, you want it as clean as possible, including avoiding fingerprints. Once an instrument is Used or a band rental, fingerprints and scratches, etc., are inevitable...(I used to work in a music store 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 And now I know that GoldLeader is a commercial sax worker. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldLeader Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 And I always charge extra to polish your instrument... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldLeader Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Where's NE146? He'd like this ...NE146 = Any One For Sax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+D Train Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 sax factory? I thought they closed that place down! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlecRob Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Just because other people that used crowdfunding didnt follow through doesnt mean atari SA wont. Im remaining neutral until the end of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 What happens at the end of the year? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Calendar year, Dec 31 2019? Or "Atari" fiscal year, ending Mar 31 2020? Perhaps an April Fool's Day launch in 2020 would be most fitting. "With 20/20 hindsight, a fool and his money are soon parted" - Derf Siansehc 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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