New Atari Console that Ataribox?

[Schizophretard]

OMG, there is so much negativity here I thought I was on Fox News for a bit.

 

I think this thread has been fair and balanced.

[Bill Loguidice]

We need change, the PS/Xbox scene is stale to say the least <snip>

 

Stale perhaps to the person who feels they got burned by purchasing a PS3, but likely not stale to most everyone else.

 

We all internalize these things and provide deeply personal perspectives in our discussions here, but we also have to sometimes step outside of that and consider the bigger picture. When looked at from a purely objective standpoint, the "PS/Xbox scene" is incredibly healthy, moving plenty of consoles on a monthly basis, getting a near daily influx of new games, and growing their subscription bases. There's nothing there broken that needs fixing by a scrappy, low resource semi-outsider that's not already being served by other devices.

[PlaysWithWolves]

I'm just not sure what present day Atari could incentivize small-fry developers with to be exclusive to their platform. Do you want to be a small fish in a small pond? Develop for Ataribox. Do you want to be a small fish in many large ponds? Develop for everything else. From a business standpoint, the latter - being everywhere - makes the most sense. And, in keeping with the idea of making the most sense, why not just develop for everything, including Ataribox? That seems like the best of everything (except for a reason to specifically own an Ataribox).

 

Atari doesn't even want to develop exclusive games for Ataribox. As mentioned before, Tempest 4000 could be just like any console exclusive and would surely drive more crowdfunding donations. They know better.

Edited November 10, 2017 by PlaysWithWolves

[BiffsGamingVideos]

Bill said

"Are there lots of people who really want (or need) another mini-golf game or another update of Pitfall!? Are the reasons these games are ignored on the saturated platforms really just because they get lost in the shuffle or is it that they're not necessarily all that interesting (and I'm speaking in generalities here, since I don't know the titles in question). I don't know?"

 

 

Do we need another Mario Game or Zelda or Pokemon or Grand theft auto? Do we need another Star Wars film or Indiana Jones or James Bond??????????? Did you know one of the GTA games on day 1 makes more money in sales than any film has even in it's first week? The fact is people like familiarity. They want sequels. They want more. So yes, if you like mini-golf you'd get one on your Android phone or PlayStation. There's a reason why there are 50 different checkers games or 20 different Spades games on Android. And you know what, the Spades game I play on my Android phone (SPades Plus I think it is) makes a heck of a lot of money than any of you reading this makes.

Edited November 10, 2017 by BiffsGamingVideos

[TwentySixHundred]

 

Stale perhaps to the person who feels they got burned by purchasing a PS3, but likely not stale to most everyone else.

 

We all internalize these things and provide deeply personal perspectives in our discussions here, but we also have to sometimes step outside of that and consider the bigger picture. When looked at from a purely objective standpoint, the "PS/Xbox scene" is incredibly healthy, moving plenty of consoles on a monthly basis, getting a near daily influx of new games, and growing their subscription bases. There's nothing there broken that needs fixing by a scrappy, low resource semi-outsider that's not already being served by other devices.

Well i have to ask the question ? why so much hate on Atari yet you're long time Atari Age member? I understand it's not the same suits but what's the deference from the change of hands before when Atari was in it's heyday?(It changed hands three times in it's prime). Did you really care back then when Nolan sold the company? Did it effect your passion for the 2600? Like seriously mate im finding it hard to find a middle ground as to your beliefs. Or is the Ataribox doomed from the start in your eyes before it even gets up and running? Im confused because you seem to contradict what you say every second post...

 

Edit: Sorry mate but i have tried to find some common ground but you're so negative towards anything put forward if not suiting your purpose. I really don't give two squats if the Ataribox is successful but trying to be optimistic because it seams many would rather slam dunk a system based off a couple of write ups. Almost like you work for Sony or something.. Sorry to come across harsh, but that's the impression im getting

Edited November 10, 2017 by Tony The 2600

[Osgeld]

people in the old day's actually had something to sell and didn't ask its potential customers to pay to develop it

Edited November 10, 2017 by Osgeld

[toiletunes]

Indigogo, check.

Lack of info, check.

You're a bunch of haters, check.

All we need now is a Drunken Commentary, and the circle will be complete.

[JBerel]

LOL.....T-Tunes is right. This is becoming all so familiar. Bill is one of the more balanced people on this board, and if someone doesn't see that, they have an agenda to push. I'll gladly take the negativity moniker because I've worked in advertising, marketing, IT and project management for enough decades to see a complete scam brewing from a million miles away. If some people want to be doe eyed and cling to some nostalgic notion that the forthcoming Atari product will be everything you hope for, well that's your right. I maintain my right to be level headed and read all the sign posts along the way including the multiple signs of outright fraud perpetrated by the players involved in the project. We all get to have our own perspectives, sometimes at our peril. Whatever the outcome, no one can claim ignorance if it doesn't make all your dreams come true. Living in reality can be unforgiving and hard.

Edited November 10, 2017 by JBerel

[Bill Loguidice]

Well i have to ask the question ? why so much hate on Atari yet you're long time Atari Age member? I understand it's not the same suits but what's the deference from the change of hands before when Atari was in it's heyday?(It changed hands three times in it's prime). Did you really care back then when Nolan sold the company? Did it effect your passion for the 2600? Like seriously mate im finding it hard to find a middle ground as to your beliefs. Or is the Ataribox doomed from the start in your eyes before it even gets up and running? Im confused because you seem to contradict what you say every second post...

 

Edit: Sorry mate but i have tried to find some common ground but you're so negative towards anything put forward if not suiting your purpose. I really don't give two squats if the Ataribox is successful but trying to be optimistic because it seams many would rather slam dunk a system based off a couple of write ups. Almost like you work for Sony or something.. Sorry to come across harsh, but that's the impression im getting

 

Why do you interpret realistic analysis as hate? Why do we have to cheerlead rather than discuss something in a comprehensive manner? If you want to cheerlead, there are plenty of opportunities on Atari's social media. This is a discussion forum. We're discussing the product. There are no rules that say we have to be positive at the expense of being realistic.

[Bill Loguidice]

Bill said

"Are there lots of people who really want (or need) another mini-golf game or another update of Pitfall!? Are the reasons these games are ignored on the saturated platforms really just because they get lost in the shuffle or is it that they're not necessarily all that interesting (and I'm speaking in generalities here, since I don't know the titles in question). I don't know?"

 

 

Do we need another Mario Game or Zelda or Pokemon or Grand theft auto? Do we need another Star Wars film or Indiana Jones or James Bond??????????? Did you know one of the GTA games on day 1 makes more money in sales than any film has even in it's first week? The fact is people like familiarity. They want sequels. They want more. So yes, if you like mini-golf you'd get one on your Android phone or PlayStation. There's a reason why there are 50 different checkers games or 20 different Spades games on Android. And you know what, the Spades game I play on my Android phone (SPades Plus I think it is) makes a heck of a lot of money than any of you reading this makes.

 

I think you missed my point. I was asking what makes those games special that they SHOULD stand out from the crowd. As you state, there are 50 different this, and 50 different that. Why is one more worthy to stand out from another?

[TwentySixHundred]

LOL.....T-Tunes is right. This is becoming all so familiar. Bill is one of the more balanced people on this board, and if someone doesn't see that, they have an agenda to push. I'll gladly take the negativity moniker because I've worked in advertising, marketing, IT and project management for enough decades to see a complete scam brewing from a million miles away. If some people want to be doe eyed and cling to some nostalgic notion that the forthcoming Atari product will be everything you hope for, well that's your right. I maintain my right to be level headed and read all the sign posts along the way including the multiple signs of outright fraud perpetrated by the players involved in the project. We all get to have our own perspectives, sometimes at our peril. Whatever the outcome, no one can claim ignorance if it doesn't make all your dreams come true. Living in reality can be unforgiving and hard.

I couldn't care less about the subject at hand but rather trying to find common ground. It's who i am and like i said before i hardly give two squats if it succeeds or not. The point is you all slam dunk a system before it's even released and you're delusional to think otherwise. Just because Bill is on the same wave path as your beliefs means nothing; think about those who opposed and gave up with your little click(only gotta go back a few pages). Some people will just leave and say nothing but im pointing out.

 

Yeah i seen you buddy, watching the whole conversation unfolding then jumping in at the end for your own two cents. You believe what you say is correct but we all the fact is neither could be right. The system isn't even bloody out yet so fair crack of the whip yeah?!

 

Anyway the closed minded type will only think one way rather then being optimistic. Your choice bud as well as mine, the fact is either of us could be eating our words. Difference is who will stick around after the dust settles? Who is trolling, praying on a n long term member to back your accusation? Poor fella will be distraught when you move on..

 

Sorry bud but to sign up when the Box drops is basically a troll move; yeah that's right i will call it as it is... Peace

Edited November 10, 2017 by Tony The 2600

[TwentySixHundred]

 

Why do you interpret realistic analysis as hate? Why do we have to cheerlead rather than discuss something in a comprehensive manner? If you want to cheerlead, there are plenty of opportunities on Atari's social media. This is a discussion forum. We're discussing the product. There are no rules that say we have to be positive at the expense of being realistic.

Edited November 10, 2017 by Tony The 2600

[JBerel]

Not following most of that, but peace.

[tschak909]

Tony the 2600: I've seen more coherent rants from the whacko down the street who chases mushrooms with PCP...

 

-Thom

[TwentySixHundred]

Tony the 2600: I've seen more coherent rants from the whacko down the street who chases mushrooms with PCP...

 

-Thom

Yeah thanks mate if it makes you feel better, we all know that fact is those opposing will say nothing not to step on feat. I sure as hell will stand up for those without a voice. Seriously though just because others have view, doesn't mean they need to be shut down by a crew of those who think otherwise. Problem is, it's many long term Atari Age members that just leave because they can't express their thought's without some 4chan style sarcastic shut down response.

 

Yeah i say it as it is but it's disgusting behavior!

Edited November 10, 2017 by Tony The 2600

[+wongojack]

Tony, here is some common ground for you. "The current, modern and very profitable gaming scene is not the same as it has been in the past." I think you and I would agree on that. I also think we would agree that it would be nice in a nostalgic way to see Atari or Sega come back and become popular using some of the same techniques as they did to grow their original popularity.

 

 

You start to lose credibility however by mis-stating some of the realities of the current (and last) gen consoles. And you are just not being realistic about a company like Atari being able to disrupt the current gaming landscape.

[The Historian]

I think it's safe to say that Jberel and I see things differently, but I respect the thoughts, facts, and opinions he's shared. And I personally do not feel as if anyone here has tried to silence or shut me down in anyway. And I hope that I've been respectful of the community and its traditions in this thread.

 

We are a passionate people, and that passion can run strong and hot. However, we are ultimately on the same side. We want things to be the best they can be; we may disagree on what the "best" is.

Edited November 10, 2017 by The Historian

[JBerel]

I'm not sure it's the first thing you've said I agree with, but I agree completely.

I'm willing to bet one thing everyone in this forum can agree on is we'd all like to see more successful Atari branded gaming projects. I'd like to think everyone visits this site because they are a fan of the brand and at least some of the past products. When people begin to differ it's usually related to disappointment or irritation with what the brand holders are doing with the brand, especially when they use it to exploit some or all of the fan base. Folks are entitled to get steamed (no pun intended) when they see signs of disingenuous appeals to everything this site represents when there is no substance offered to back any of it up. If someone feels intimidated or belittled by any particular discussion, I've seen them speak up plenty while remaining civil. I don't think anyone's ideas or input are being suppressed here unless that input is clearly intended to manipulate the conversation for a specific agenda.

[TwentySixHundred]

Tony, here is some common ground for you. "The current modern and very profitable gaming scene is not the same as it has been in the past." I think you and I would agree on that. I also think we would agree that it would be nice in a nostalgic way to see Atari or Sega come back and become popular using some of the same techniques as they did to grow their original popularity.

 

 

You start to lose credibility however by mis-stating some of the realities of the current (and last) gen consoles. And you are just not being realistic about a company like Atari being able to disrupt the current gaming landscape.

Well i think they have a chance but with negative skirts slam dunking them before the system even gets a light is a joke. So much for "Atari" fans supporting the brand. Anyone would think they would be happy to see Atari fail just to prove their point and its a desecrace. A site that couldn't care two twats yet they are signed up to the brand because of the 2600 or to troll... Anyone that truly knows the 2600 should have faith that maybe they can pull it off.

 

Like i said how many times did Atari change hands back in the day without anyone caring whatsoever. Yeah just like i thought, no one takes notice yet the trolls

 

Atari Age slamming on an Atari brand what a great look, well done fellas...

Edited November 10, 2017 by Tony The 2600

[OldSchoolRetroGamer]

 

[Flojomojo]

Well i think they have a chance but with negative skirts slam dunking them before the system even gets a light is a joke. So much for "Atari" fans supporting the brand. Anyone would think they would be happy to see Atari fail just to prove their point and its a desecrace. A site that couldn't care two twats yet they are signed up to the brand because of the 2600 or to troll... Anyone that truly knows the 2600 should have faith that maybe they can pull it off.

 

Like i said how many times did Atari change hands back in the day without anyone caring whatsoever. Yeah just like i thought, no one takes notice yet the trolls

 

Atari Age slamming on an Atari brand what a great look, well done fellas...

Do you work for them, or for their marketing consultants? If so, it's a shame (or maybe a "desecrace") that you aren't a better writer. If not, I honestly don't understand where you're coming from. Maybe it's the unhinged rant style of your posts, but mostly I think "just give them a chance" is pants-on-head stupid.

 

Do you care about the history of the old games, and cringe every time some grave robber digs up the brand to exploit it? How about when they do it with other people's money? How about when they do it with a proven charlatan as a spokesman, plenty of history in failed crowdfunded efforts, and without any meaningful details?

[Flojomojo]

 

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[JBerel]

Still not following completely, and I'm really trying. You've already said quite colorfully that you don't care if it succeeds, or about the topic at all. It's starting to look like more of the not-very-covert manipulation marketing from someone affiliated with Rainfactory or FMTwo games. In any event, the displayed anger and rejection of any interest in the topic doesn't add up. Is this the aforementioned drunken commentary that's bringing us full circle?

[TwentySixHundred]

Do you work for them, or for their marketing consultants? If so, it's a shame (or maybe a "desecrace") that you aren't a better writer. If not, I honestly don't understand where you're coming from. Maybe it's the unhinged rant style of your posts, but mostly I think "just give them a chance" is pants-on-head stupid.

 

Do you care about the history of the old games, and cringe every time some grave robber digs up the brand to exploit it? How about when they do it with other people's money? How about when they do it with a proven charlatan as a spokesman, plenty of history in failed crowdfunded efforts, and without any meaningful details?

I got respect for you Flojomojo as another long time Atari Age member but to answer you question short no i don't work for Atari, im just a fan(like you're supposed to be). Having said that im a fan of all consoles however all that aside im tired (late night). Either way atleast i have a set that's dropped and voice for those to scared to face the onslaught we all know is inevitable. Sorry to break it to the neigh sayers but my previous statement stands, petty insults will not shut me down.. Just because you all drive others away doesn't mean i wont grab trolls by the balls. Let people express their thoughts without reverting to personal insults...

Edited November 10, 2017 by Tony The 2600

[TwentySixHundred]

Still not following completely, and I'm really trying. You've already said quite colorfully that you don't care if it succeeds, or about the topic at all. It's starting to look like more of the not-very-covert manipulation marketing from someone affiliated with Rainfactory or FMTwo games. In any event, the displayed anger and rejection of any interest in the topic doesn't add up. Is this the aforementioned drunken commentary that's bringing us full circle?

Sorry bud you need more rep before i bother, the others with rep should know better without the need of myself to point it out...